mirage62 0 #226 February 6, 2008 Quote The current system is the USA is fucked beyond - and radical change for the 'good of the people' might be a start. God knows this government has done NOTHING for the people - but loads for large corporations. - which by the way is seldom 'good for the people' Hey TK thanks for the response. It would seem that in your case the Canadain system would have been better. Although I'd rather have the MRI. I've used insurance all my life and just haven't had the problems you have, I've broken over 14 bones had 7 operations. I pay less than $250 a month. But maybe the reason (other than I didn't break my neck) is that all my accidents were listed as "fell off roof". As far as the current goverment......well with respect (cause I want to still be able to jump at z-hills) you can always head home.Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #227 February 6, 2008 Quote Quote As long as hypocrisy keeps raising its ugly head. Who are the hypocrites? The ones who say, "Humans are self-centered, we are all humans that therefore will do self-centered things?" Or the ones who say, "We are not self-centered. You should think about everyone else except for yourself and help me out. Everyone should help me." It's the same hypocrisy as, "Shut your mouth and open your mind." Um, if you believed that, you wouldn't be telling me to shut my mouth, now would you? Perhaps you need to open your mind a bit. Your reply suggests that you did not actually read the post that I replied to. Accepting a taxpayer subsidy is not being hypocritical. Accepting a taxpayer subsidized service but complaining about others who want a service provided by taxpayers IS hypocritical.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #228 February 6, 2008 Quote Quote It's funny understandable that most of the extremely self-centered rational individuals posting here were also beneficiaries of a taxpayer subsidized education and are now paying taxes to support subsidized education but do not want to pay more taxes for subsidized health care (which they were not beneficiaries of). Fixed it for you. No, you didn't fix anything. You just attempted to deny the blatant hypocrisy of those who took taxpayer handouts for things they wanted, but don't approve when someone else gets one.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richards 0 #229 February 6, 2008 Quote Quote ***WTF? Can you elaborate? Sounds pretty fucked up. Otter from Animal House could be a spokesman for the government. "You fucked up! You trusted us!" Ask freethefly about how valid promises to take care of him turned out to be. Private insurance can pull cheap stunts too I imagine My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #230 February 6, 2008 Quote Accepting a taxpayer subsidy is not being hypocritical. Accepting a taxpayer subsidized service but complaining about others who want a service provided by taxpayers IS hypocritical. I see that. Unlike nerdgirl and wendy, I am occasionally wrong. (PLEASE LET ME DO VIDEO!!) My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #231 February 6, 2008 Yes. At their own risk. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #232 February 6, 2008 Quote I dont think that coercion and community "dues" are the same thing. If you are part of a country club you have dues. If you are part of a community, you have dues. Maybe Im wrong.....maybe being part of a community should "dues" free, and shuold be all about "me, me, me". Then again, maybe not. The problem is that too many want the free ride without paying the dues. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richards 0 #233 February 7, 2008 Quote Quote Yes. At their own risk. Only if the person they screw over is wealthy enough to hire a good lawyer My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #234 February 7, 2008 >>>>>>>>>>>>>No, I wouldn't. I've been taught how to take care of myself and if I was destitute; I've got family who would step in. So for those who are missing limbs and/or have no family, well, fuck em according to you. It's nice that you have a support system, but what about Satan's hethans who don't? I agree, to the trash with em>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>What the hell does me being a Christian have to do with this topic? Don't assume what I believe in regard to darwinism. It has to do that you love the socioeconomic aspect of Darwin, just not the actual aspect as it applies to the theory of the formation of man. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Here's a suggestion for you: Give up skydiving, sell your gear, disconnect your internet and perhaps you'll have enough money to buy your own insurance and not have to bitch about the 'system' not taking care of you. Yes, and then I could be a good little prolateriat and make lots of money for the fascist corps you love so much. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #235 February 7, 2008 Is that Rage Against the Machine I hear playing in the background??Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #236 February 7, 2008 Quote Quote >>>>>>>>>>>>>Say what you want about the Canadian system, and sure, Canadians gripe about it too, but NO ONE in Canada would give it up for a privatized system...... And if people tried it here it would be here to stay, that's what worries the NAzis Have you ever been to the DMV? I have, and I've seen how well the government takes care of the governed. I have zero interest in seeing my healthcare decline to that level of service. I've worked hard all my life, and have earned my good job, decent insurance, and some level of freedom in making my healthcare decisions. Why do you think the quality of my healthcare should decline? Why do you think I should be responsible for paying for the healthcare of people who haven't worked as hard as I have? I'm not opposed to the idea of basic healthcare being available and affordable to everyone, provided it has substantial controls in place to prevent abuse, but I'm quite opposed to any sort of mandatory system, or being required to pay for stupid shit. A gal I know who works in the ER routinely sees women come in for pregnancy tests. On the nights she's working triage, she points out the door at the Rite-Aid across the street and suggests they pick up a pregnancy test there for 10 or 15 bucks instead of burning through several hundred in the ER. The answer is always some variant of the same thing..."Yeah, but the state won't pay for that and they will pay for this." I don't want to support that kind of selfish fucktardedness. Blues, Dave That's a wild assumption. People here have already stated that the US system is worse in ways, equal at best. Again, I agree, fuck my fllow American, they can die, all that matters is my tax rate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #237 February 7, 2008 Quote fuck my fllow[sic] American, they can die, all that matters is my tax rate. Now you're getting it.Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #238 February 7, 2008 Quote Quote Quote A gal I know who works in the ER routinely sees women come in for pregnancy tests. On the nights she's working triage, she points out the door at the Rite-Aid across the street and suggests they pick up a pregnancy test there for 10 or 15 bucks instead of burning through several hundred in the ER. The answer is always some variant of the same thing..."Yeah, but the state won't pay for that and they will pay for this." This is a prime example of why I should not have my pocket picked for others' healthcare. Shit heads. We live in a community, and not some self centered world. If we have any human in us, by nature we want to help others. Some cultures are brought up that way, others are not. I like to believe that when someone needs help, I'm there for them. Wecome to America, the land of selfish cocksuckers. Now you don;t wonder why we incarcerate at record levels, and have one of teh highest murder/crime rates. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maadmax 0 #239 February 7, 2008 The answer seems obvious to me. People like you who think health care should be an entitled right should spend the next 12 years training and hopefully passing the licensing boards to become doctors, so you can provide a better service. ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #240 February 7, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote A gal I know who works in the ER routinely sees women come in for pregnancy tests. On the nights she's working triage, she points out the door at the Rite-Aid across the street and suggests they pick up a pregnancy test there for 10 or 15 bucks instead of burning through several hundred in the ER. The answer is always some variant of the same thing..."Yeah, but the state won't pay for that and they will pay for this." This is a prime example of why I should not have my pocket picked for others' healthcare. Shit heads. We live in a community, and not some self centered world. If we have any human in us, by nature we want to help others. Some cultures are brought up that way, others are not. I like to believe that when someone needs help, I'm there for them. It's funny that most of the extremely self-centered individuals posting here were also beneficiaries of a taxpayer subsidized education. And may, who would never admit it, have collected welfare, unemployment, college grants, etc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #241 February 7, 2008 Yes, and then I could be a good little prolateriat and make lots of money for the fascist corps you love so much. Well, if you're expecting other people to pay your bills, then you could at least not squander what little you earn on your own. Maybe making at least an *effort* to not waste what you earn while expecting others to foot your bill would be a good thing. At least then maybe those of us who work over 100 hours a week to cover your expenses and our own would be more willing to help you out of a jam.-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #242 February 7, 2008 Quote Quote Indeed. We are naturally self-centered. So policies attempting to go against human nature, which require us to consider everyone else before ourselves, will meet resisistance and will likely fail. It's why campaigns for national health care don't focus on the benefits to society. They focus on the benefits to you. "Sure, you'll pay into this system, but here's what you get. Behind curtain No. 2 - emergency room care available on demand!" You are right. And there is one of the problems. I think the job of the federal governemnt is to focus on a society and look at the big picture. However, we live in a very individualistic culture, and we do not care as a mass about the "health" of the society, but are rather concerned about "me, me, me." We need to look at solutions that find a good medium between how individuals benefit, and the long term benefit to the society. And if all fails, we need to simply get together and have one big cook out (I'll do the pork shuolders) Not to parrot the dickheads, of course not the sweethearts here, but, let's say other dickheads advocating you to move, perhaps you should. I want to and I'm a born American. It won't change, let the selfish scum work itself out here and either implode or fix itself. I'd love to watch from afar as it does either. Then I could post that I did move . I will someday, hopefully in the next 5 years. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #243 February 7, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Indeed. We are naturally self-centered. So policies attempting to go against human nature, which require us to consider everyone else before ourselves, will meet resisistance and will likely fail. It's why campaigns for national health care don't focus on the benefits to society. They focus on the benefits to you. "Sure, you'll pay into this system, but here's what you get. Behind curtain No. 2 - emergency room care available on demand!" You are right. And there is one of the problems. I think the job of the federal governemnt is to focus on a society and look at the big picture. However, we live in a very individualistic culture, and we do not care as a mass about the "health" of the society, but are rather concerned about "me, me, me." We need to look at solutions that find a good medium between how individuals benefit, and the long term benefit to the society. And if all fails, we need to simply get together and have one big cook out (I'll do the pork shuolders) Not to parrot the dickheads, of course not the sweethearts here, but, let's say other dickheads advocating you to move, perhaps you should. I want to and I'm a born American. It won't change, let the selfish scum work itself out here and either implode or fix itself. I'd love to watch from afar as it does either. Then I could post that I did move . I will someday, hopefully in the next 5 years. See ya! Sell me your guns for $1/ea. before you go!Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #244 February 7, 2008 >>>>>>>>>>>>>A non-self-centered person would turn away that free education opportunity. More accurate is, "It's funny that those who chastise the self-centered want others to give them more." No, a non-self-centered person would want all of society cared for equally. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #245 February 7, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote A gal I know who works in the ER routinely sees women come in for pregnancy tests. On the nights she's working triage, she points out the door at the Rite-Aid across the street and suggests they pick up a pregnancy test there for 10 or 15 bucks instead of burning through several hundred in the ER. The answer is always some variant of the same thing..."Yeah, but the state won't pay for that and they will pay for this." This is a prime example of why I should not have my pocket picked for others' healthcare. Shit heads. We live in a community, and not some self centered world. If we have any human in us, by nature we want to help others. Some cultures are brought up that way, others are not. I like to believe that when someone needs help, I'm there for them. It's funny that most of the extremely self-centered individuals posting here were also beneficiaries of a taxpayer subsidized education. I used the taxpayer subsidized education, I didn't abuse it. As a result of that education, I've put more dollars into the coffers than I took, so it was a good investment on the part of the government and tax-paying public. A woman using hundreds of taxpayer dollars to avoid using a dozen or so of her own is abusing the communal trust. Do you see a difference? Blues, Dave It just happened to work that way, it could have been that you contributed nothing. You are a dried in the wool socialist. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #246 February 7, 2008 Quote To all: Where does it stop? We pay enough tax as it is. I have no problem sustaining the existing (albeit too heavy) tax burden, but... When does all this socialist bullshit stop? Healthcare would dwarf most any other social program. Take care of your own fucking needs. Enough is enough. We pay less tax than most other countries. Uh, BTW, universal care would be HEAVILY DWARFED by your president's military. Since the war we've spent about 700B per year counting normal spending and war appropriations. Uni care would be what, 1/2 that? Try again...... 700B....enough is too much. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #247 February 7, 2008 Quote Quote Ah yes.. I got mine.. and fuck everyone else. No...We've all got a certain level of benefit. We're not here to foot every bill for everyone. It has to stop somewhere, or we'll have an 80%+ tax burden. 80%? Get a clue Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #248 February 7, 2008 Quote We pay less tax than most other countries. GOOD! Quote Uh, BTW, universal care would be HEAVILY DWARFED by your president's military. Yeah, lemme call George's cell, I'll get that taken care of. Don't chase sunk costs, and don't use it as an excuse to get your prostate exam or Viagra paid for by me...Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #249 February 7, 2008 Quote >>>>>>>>>>>>>No, I wouldn't. I've been taught how to take care of myself and if I was destitute; I've got family who would step in. So for those who are missing limbs and/or have no family, well, fuck em according to you. It's nice that you have a support system, but what about Satan's hethans who don't? I agree, to the trash with em >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>What the hell does me being a Christian have to do with this topic? Don't assume what I believe in regard to darwinism. It has to do that you love the socioeconomic aspect of Darwin, just not the actual aspect as it applies to the theory of the formation of man. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Here's a suggestion for you: Give up skydiving, sell your gear, disconnect your internet and perhaps you'll have enough money to buy your own insurance and not have to bitch about the 'system' not taking care of you. Yes, and then I could be a good little prolateriat and make lots of money for the fascist corps you love so much. You obviously don't know me at all and that's fine with me. Assume what you want. You seem like a very angry and unhappy person. I'll keep you in my prayers. Perhaps things will get better for you. _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #250 February 7, 2008 Quote Is that Rage Against the Machine I hear playing in the background?? With a pocket full of shells....... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
