pirana 0 #401 February 8, 2008 QuoteQuoteI think that the care should be given to ensure that goodness is covered, while badness is discouraged. Ok, goodness is covered and badness is not covered (I'm assumming that discouraged implies not covered.) but what about neutralness? Nuetralness is known as limbo; where you spend eternity voting for 3rd party candidates and supporting the right to bear arms without ever actually owning one. A gun, . . . not the arm." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #402 February 8, 2008 QuoteQuote BTW... nothing in the Constitution that we have to "keep up with the Joneses", either - sorry to disappoint you. . Where does the Constitution say we have to invade countries on the other side of the world that have not threatened us? Perhaps actually reading the authorization for use of force that Congress passed might jog your memory. Adding the terms of the cease-fire from GW I should help clear things up for you as well.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,030 #403 February 8, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuote BTW... nothing in the Constitution that we have to "keep up with the Joneses", either - sorry to disappoint you. . Where does the Constitution say we have to invade countries on the other side of the world that have not threatened us? Perhaps actually reading the authorization for use of force that Congress passed might jog your memory. Adding the terms of the cease-fire from GW I should help clear things up for you as well. Actually reading what I wrote would help you. Arguing that a Congessional authorization makes everything fine works for welfare and healthcare as well as for the use of force. The Constitution did not REQUIRE us to invade Iraq any more than it requires us to provide healthcare.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #404 February 8, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote BTW... nothing in the Constitution that we have to "keep up with the Joneses", either - sorry to disappoint you. . Where does the Constitution say we have to invade countries on the other side of the world that have not threatened us? Perhaps actually reading the authorization for use of force that Congress passed might jog your memory. Adding the terms of the cease-fire from GW I should help clear things up for you as well. Actually reading what I wrote would help you. Arguing that a Congessional authorization makes everything fine works for welfare and healthcare as well as for the use of force. The Constitution did not REQUIRE us to invade Iraq any more than it requires us to provide healthcare. Whatever you say, Professor. Now that you've gotten your "Bush is evil" ego stroke out of the way, do you have anything to actually add to the THREAD??Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #405 February 8, 2008 The Constitution did not REQUIRE us to invade Iraq any more than it requires us to provide healthcare. Right. We get to choose. I think we made the wrong choice when we invaded Iraq. Hope we'll not make an equally bad choice where healthcare is concerned. linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #406 February 8, 2008 QuoteRight. We get to choose. I think we made the wrong choice when we invaded Iraq. Hope we'll not make an equally bad choice where healthcare is concerned. Dont worry about it.. it will be seen as too expensive.. and we have not invaded Iran yet....George still has another almost year in office to ignite another of the Axis of Evil. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #407 February 8, 2008 Quote >Only a completely loony liberal would mail people checks of their own money! I've been saying that all along that these self proclaimed "conservatives" in office today are just another flavor of liberal. "rebates"now we know it for a fact ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #408 February 8, 2008 QuoteHe's not an altruist, he's a socialist Bingo! My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,030 #409 February 8, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote BTW... nothing in the Constitution that we have to "keep up with the Joneses", either - sorry to disappoint you. . Where does the Constitution say we have to invade countries on the other side of the world that have not threatened us? Perhaps actually reading the authorization for use of force that Congress passed might jog your memory. Adding the terms of the cease-fire from GW I should help clear things up for you as well. Actually reading what I wrote would help you. Arguing that a Congessional authorization makes everything fine works for welfare and healthcare as well as for the use of force. The Constitution did not REQUIRE us to invade Iraq any more than it requires us to provide healthcare. Whatever you say, Professor. Now that you've gotten your "Bush is evil" ego stroke out of the way, do you have anything to actually add to the THREAD?? Lame; giving up so soon? On the whole I'd prefer to pay taxes to help Americans than pay taxes to kill brown people half a world away. I guess your choice is different.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pop 0 #410 February 8, 2008 QuoteQuoteI want all to have insurance and I'm self-righteous? Priceless. What we do know is that is that you want health coverage to be exclusive....draw your own opinions....That's just a guise for the desire to punish those who have been more productive and successful in their lives than you. Who do you think you're kidding? Sorry, but the anger you carry, and true altruism don't walk hand in hand. I work hard, I pay into the system, I play by the rules, I have insurance, and yet somehow I still want EVERYONE to have access to medical healthcare, and NO ONE to be turned down because they cant afford insurance. Maybe its because I've had to live through a moment in my life when I had shitty insurance and my bills stacked up to the point i had to slowly get them off my credit report. There is absolutly no reason why in a great country like ours people's credit (TK is a perfect example) needs to be ruined because they had an accident.7 ounce wonders, music and dogs that are not into beer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #411 February 8, 2008 QuoteThere is absolutly no reason why in a great country like ours people's credit (TK is a perfect example) needs to be ruined because they had an accident. Why not? "Credit" is nothing more than a person's reputation for paying their debts. That's what "insurance" is for - it helps you in the event of an "accident." I had to have a sinus surgery 4 years ago. It cost 8 grand. My new insurance denied it on the basis of it being a "pre-existing condition." So I sent in my "certificate of credible coverage" - it showed that I was insured in the 60 days prior to my getting onto new insurance with my new employer. So it was covered. Rather than paying $8k for the surgery, I paid about $300. The total, with the labs and all, was under $1k. And now I have even MORE insurance in case of disaster. In my opinion, that's what insurance SHOULD be for - disaster. Tkhayes' insurance covered $75000 dollars. Yes. $75k. Exactly what insurance is for! His credit was trashed because he didn't make good on the $5k - he's upset that insurance didn't cover all of it. Then he indicated that he was having problems getting a reasonable insurance provider - did he cancel his insurance after the broken neck? Does he have a certificate of credible coverage? So long as his insurance was uninterrupted, he should have been able to keep it. Tkhayes's situation is one that is unfortunate. he did things - for the most part - correctly. The only error was in not paying his full deductible amount. Perhaps he lacked the resources to pay that full deductible. But what is difficult for me to accept is why he'd upset at having $75k covered... My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kbordson 8 #412 February 8, 2008 QuoteLet me guess your party affiliation....hmmmmm.....tough one. Was this your guess? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #413 February 8, 2008 Quote>People commonly refer to welfare for example as an entitlement program >because it is funded by the taxpayer and not necessarily by the recipient. >SS and Medicare are (supposed to be) funded by the recipient and their >employer. I'm afraid I don't see much difference there. I pay into SS and Medicare; I will probably never use it. Same with welfare. In both cases, everyone who works pays in. Given the current state of SS and Medicare, it does appear that you and I will not see it. This is why the system needs to be fixed. I'm not saying GWB's proposal was the right way, but hopefully a future president and congress will come up with the correct solution. On a side note, if you were to become disabled (God forbid), you would be eligible for SSDI and Medicare at any age. _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #414 February 8, 2008 QuoteTkhayes' insurance covered $75000 dollars. Yes. $75k. Exactly what insurance is for! Just to back up your point, my insurance covered over $100,000. My co-pay has been about $10,000 to $15,000. I am quite relieved about only paying the co-pay. _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #415 February 8, 2008 QuoteQuoteLet me guess your party affiliation....hmmmmm.....tough one. [url"http://www.lp.org/"]Was this your guess?[/url] Uh oh. To Lucky, that means you are a Republican. He knows, see.. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kbordson 8 #416 February 8, 2008 QuoteUh oh. To Lucky, that means you are a Republican. He knows, see.. Ahhhh. a black and white world. How nice to live so naive. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thanatos340 1 #417 February 8, 2008 I must say that Just today, My perspective did change a good bit this matter. On the political Spectrum, I tend to stand a little to the right of Genghis Khan and genuinely despise government interfering with Capitalism if at all possible. But the drug companies are completely out of hand. I had been having stomach problems for about a week, Finally got to be pretty bad so I go to the doc. (Urgent care place, No appointment needed. Walk in and talking to a doc within 20 minutes.) He runs his test, Pokes, Prods, Schedules upper GI, ect.. Says I have an Ulcer and send me on my way with a Prescription in hand. $125 Office Visit. I only $15 thanks to Insurance but I dont think $125 is a bad price. Dont know yet what all the lab work will cost but I dont think it will be horrible either. I have pretty good insurance.. So I thought. Go to the drug store with Script in hand. Nothing big, Just some Prilosec. The pain isnt horrible but very irritating and steadily getting worse. Looking forward to a little relief. The Pharmacy informs me that "THIS Drug" requires prior authorization. WTF?? How about a Generic I ask. No dice. OK.. How long to get Authorization.. 3 to 5 working days I am told, Working days that is so hopefully within a week I can get my script filled. The thought of another week of pain and nausea doesn’t appeal to me so I ask "How about I just pay for the thing and work it out with the Insurance later. No problem they tell me. That will $187.50!! For a few pills. VERY Common Pills. ABSURD!! Price Gouging at its worst. The pharmacist say just buy some Prilosec OTC instead for $10. It is pretty much the same just not as strong. I WANT the drug companies to make a profit. I want them to make a HUGE profit so that can continue to come up with new drugs.. But there has to be a Limit!! That kind of money for a very common drug is bordering on Criminal in my mind. Yep.. I took a couple steps to the left today. I dont mind paying my way... Sometimes enough is enough. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #418 February 8, 2008 Tort reform would do a pretty good job of lowering the prices substantially. And I would fully support it. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #419 February 9, 2008 I had knee surgery this summer. Have some pretty nasty arthritis in there that just isn't relieved with Naproxen. Got the OrthoVisc injections. My insurance company wouldn't pay for them either. $600.00 for three injections (and that's the medicine--$150 a pop to the orthopaedist, but insurance DOES cover that). Guess I'm not pissed about it because I think that those are the things that insurance probably shouldn't cover. Surgery yes, injections to make my knee less painful...I'm okay with it not covering that. I'm in the middle of the second round of injections (1 injection a week for 3 weeks). It's gone up to $800. OUCH! I figure it's worth it even if it's not covering me for as long as it should linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #420 February 9, 2008 Quote>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Similar to the fact that I enjoy doing medical missions but would resent it if Peru said "America, you NEED to send doctors here to take care of us." QuoteCaring for our own and caring for other people of other countries are quite different to most normal people. Yet, you're ready to move to one of these other countries. Who's going to hold your hand there? No one holds my hand here, so I will have a much easier time there...... do the math, if you're able. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #421 February 9, 2008 QuoteTort reform would do a pretty good job of lowering the prices substantially. And I would fully support it. Et tu? http://alt.cimedia.com/ajc/jpg/polinsider/koolaid1.JPG http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3116976#3116976 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maadmax 0 #422 February 9, 2008 You are not making any sense. If you have any intelligent ideas lets hear them. Otherwise, please GET SOME HELP. ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #423 February 9, 2008 QuoteA friend of the family is being buried this week. He had surgery last Friday. Came out of the operating room OK, spoke to his family in the recovery room, then died. The autopsy revealed severe internal bleeding from a small artery that had been cut but not fixed, and two sponges left in his abdomen. Have no fear. Tort Reform ® will prevent his family from filing a frivolous lawsuit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #424 February 9, 2008 Quote When I called to contest that one, they said something about the prior billing company hadn't been up to speed. Who the hell keeps all their receipts for 2 years? For all I know, I paid the bill back then, but since I can't prove it, I pay now or they send me to collections. That's BS...there should be some reasonable number of bills expected and within a reasonable timeframe. I'm fighting a 75$ charge for exactly the same reason... meanwhile its fucked up my credit... despite the fact it is clearly the billing agency's (and dr rep office that went out of business before billing) fault.. sure its 75$ i could suck it up and pay it and be done with it.. but IMO principles are worth fighting over.____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tonyhays 86 #425 February 9, 2008 That seems like a clear cut case of negligence...which in theory should have nothing to do with actual tort reform.“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.” Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
