kbordson 8 #376 February 8, 2008 QuoteYou want medical care to be exlusive...... draw your own conclusions Do you even read other peoples post or do you just make it up as you go? Where did I say that I want it to be exclusive? - I have stated that changes do need to be made. And that there are big issues with health care. - I have pointed out the hypocrisy of the OP on his attitude of the "illegal Mexicans" -I have mentioned that I have a LESS than exclusive patient population - I have gone to foreign countries to help with medical care. How do you get that I want medical care to be exclusive? If this level of reading comprehension is the result of government sponsored education.... I'm scared what government sponsored medical care would do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #377 February 8, 2008 Quote perhaps shave your elitist salary. Great to have docs care so much for humanity -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dude... you have no idea what my salary is. Your self-rightous assumptions are getting old And WTH about the comment on my caring for humanity. You have no clue. Doc, Spare yourself, he's pissed and assumes a lot. He's already criticized my religion (which has nothing to do with the topic at hand) and has made assumptions about my beliefs in Darwinism. _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #378 February 8, 2008 Quote> but isn't Medicare part of the Social Security system? If so, then it is > not an entitlement program. It is part of the SS system. It's paid for by a separate tax on employees/employers. I don't know what you mean by "entitlement program." People commonly refer to welfare for example as an entitlement program because it is funded by the taxpayer and not necessarily by the recipient. SS and Medicare are (supposed to be) funded by the recipient and their employer. I wouldn't put SS and Medicare benefits in the same category as welfare. I don't know if the phrase 'entitlement program' was started as a derogatory term though. _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #379 February 8, 2008 >People commonly refer to welfare for example as an entitlement program >because it is funded by the taxpayer and not necessarily by the recipient. >SS and Medicare are (supposed to be) funded by the recipient and their >employer. I'm afraid I don't see much difference there. I pay into SS and Medicare; I will probably never use it. Same with welfare. In both cases, everyone who works pays in. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #380 February 8, 2008 QuoteQuoteNo, it would be added into all the OTHER welfare spending that is the largest part of the budget... Our tax rate and rate of welfare spending is way lower than most, if not all other developed countries, Our military spending is greater than teh rest of the world counting the war hobby spending. So?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #381 February 8, 2008 Quote Quote Exactly. Next thing you know, she'll be mailing them checks. Only a completely loony liberal would mail people checks of their own money! Heinlein once wrote that the critical Flaw in a Democracy was that sooner or Later the politicians figure out they can buy your votes with your own money!So true, So very true. Quote For when the plebes discover that that they can vote themselves bread and circuses without limit and that the productive members of the body politic cannot stop them, they will do so, until the state bleeds to death, or in its weakened condition the state succumbs to an invader -- the barbarians enter Rome. - Jubal Harshaw, To Sail Beyond the Sunset by Robert Heinlein Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #382 February 8, 2008 QuoteI'm sending my tax dollars to your president so he can further the hate from the world to us and kill our young heros, etc... I'd love to have my taxes pay for the poor. Better look at that budget again... as stated above, welfare is the largest part.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #383 February 8, 2008 Quote Quote perhaps shave your elitist salary. Great to have docs care so much for humanity Dude... you have no idea what my salary is. Your self-rightous assumptions are getting old And WTH about the comment on my caring for humanity. You have no clue. He'll fit in just fine in China, don't you think?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #384 February 8, 2008 Quote Quote perhaps shave your elitist salary. Great to have docs care so much for humanity Dude... you have no idea what my salary is. Your self-rightous assumptions are getting old And WTH about the comment on my caring for humanity. You have no clue. I want all to have insurance and I'm self-righteous? Priceless. What we do know is that is that you want health coverage to be exclusive....draw your own opinions.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #385 February 8, 2008 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have stated that changes do need to be made. And that there are big issues with health care. That's fluf and bullshit, as with, "It's not a perfect system, bla, bla,..... that politicians evasion type games. What I say is the problem is that not everyone has it, let provide basic coverage and figure a place to cut corners as with military costs. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>-I have mentioned that I have a LESS than exclusive patient population Altho I have brought you into this for fun, it's not about you or me at all, it';s about the system. You may, as you get older, look back and realize that the system is Nazi, hell, even the nazis had socialized meds, so it's sub-Nazi. That Id - Ego - Superego thing might catch up. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>- I have gone to foreign countries to help with medical care. And then come back here to advocate the denial of your own citizenry? Let me guess your party affiliation....hmmmmm.....tough one. Quit with the conscience thing. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>How do you get that I want medical care to be exclusive? You don;t want those to receive it unless they can pay for it; haven't you been following this thread? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>If this level of reading comprehension is the result of government sponsored education.... I'm scared what government sponsored medical care would do. Don't worry, you can pick up the comprehension as we go. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #386 February 8, 2008 Quote Quote perhaps shave your elitist salary. Great to have docs care so much for humanity -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dude... you have no idea what my salary is. Your self-rightous assumptions are getting old And WTH about the comment on my caring for humanity. You have no clue. Doc, Spare yourself, he's pissed and assumes a lot. He's already criticized my religion (which has nothing to do with the topic at hand) and has made assumptions about my beliefs in Darwinism. I'm not pissed. Pissed is you thinking a poor person might get free medical care. And some wonder why I think evility comes from the church / religion / Christianity. Darwinsim - survival of the fittest / natural selection, etc..... that i what you advocate in regard to medical coverage - san't afford it, don't get it. Can you disagree with that? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #387 February 8, 2008 QuoteQuote> but isn't Medicare part of the Social Security system? If so, then it is > not an entitlement program. It is part of the SS system. It's paid for by a separate tax on employees/employers. I don't know what you mean by "entitlement program." People commonly refer to welfare for example as an entitlement program because it is funded by the taxpayer and not necessarily by the recipient. SS and Medicare are (supposed to be) funded by the recipient and their employer. I wouldn't put SS and Medicare benefits in the same category as welfare. I don't know if the phrase 'entitlement program' was started as a derogatory term though. OH, I SEE, and the employer VOLUNTARILY pays into these, right? rIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIght. Unemployment insurance is welfare, as the employer is forced to buy it. You can call it a cost of doing business, but the truth is that so are taxes that go to pay for welfare. Are you too blind to see that there are several types of welfare and everyone seems to scoff at the recipients below them? Of course not, stay in denial. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #388 February 8, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteNo, it would be added into all the OTHER welfare spending that is the largest part of the budget... Our tax rate and rate of welfare spending is way lower than most, if not all other developed countries, Our military spending is greater than teh rest of the world counting the war hobby spending. So? And you were whining at our taxes, yet we pay the least and have the least services of indust countries. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #389 February 8, 2008 QuoteQuoteI'm sending my tax dollars to your president so he can further the hate from the world to us and kill our young heros, etc... I'd love to have my taxes pay for the poor. Better look at that budget again... as stated above, welfare is the largest part. Where did I say that they were not. Imagine that, using tax dollars to help people - what a watse - isn't there a war that we can fight to do more good? The rate of taxes we use to pay for services and teh ultimate svs rendered are far lower here than other indust countries. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #390 February 8, 2008 Quote Quote Quote perhaps shave your elitist salary. Great to have docs care so much for humanity Dude... you have no idea what my salary is. Your self-rightous assumptions are getting old And WTH about the comment on my caring for humanity. You have no clue. He'll fit in just fine in China, don't you think? No, more like Europe. Sorry for you but Nazi Germany is now a descent place, perhaps with your exclusivity and hate you would make a good Muslim extremist. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #391 February 8, 2008 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Similar to the fact that I enjoy doing medical missions but would resent it if Peru said "America, you NEED to send doctors here to take care of us." QuoteCaring for our own and caring for other people of other countries are quite different to most normal people. Yet, you're ready to move to one of these other countries. Who's going to hold your hand there? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #392 February 8, 2008 QuoteI want all to have insurance and I'm self-righteous? Priceless. What we do know is that is that you want health coverage to be exclusive....draw your own opinions....That's just a guise for the desire to punish those who have been more productive and successful in their lives than you. Who do you think you're kidding? Sorry, but the anger you carry, and true altruism don't walk hand in hand. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #393 February 8, 2008 QuotePissed is you thinking a poor person might get free medical care Ah, yes....more exaggeration from Lucky, imagine that. "If you're not giving it to them for free then you're advocating not giving them anything at all" Quotein regard to medical coverage - san't afford it, don't get it. Forgetting about Medicare/Medicaid *again*, Lucky? There *are* safety nets for those who truly can't work. 80/20 policy with a $30 copay/visit, with an out of pocket limit of $2k/year for $73/month... Farm Bureau Insurance. Now, you can go there and give someone the gift of medical insurance - working those 50 hours a week I'm sure can afford to insure a couple folks.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #394 February 8, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteNo, it would be added into all the OTHER welfare spending that is the largest part of the budget... Our tax rate and rate of welfare spending is way lower than most, if not all other developed countries, Our military spending is greater than teh rest of the world counting the war hobby spending. So? And you were whining at our taxes, yet we pay the least and have the least services of indust countries. Actually, I was correcting YOUR misconception of what the most tax dollars go for...but thanks for playing. BTW... nothing in the Constitution that we have to "keep up with the Joneses", either - sorry to disappoint you. I'll sure you'll be happy in your little proletariat paradise when you move to China, though....I don't think any other countries are socialist enough to suit you.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #395 February 8, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteI'm sending my tax dollars to your president so he can further the hate from the world to us and kill our young heros, etc... I'd love to have my taxes pay for the poor. Better look at that budget again... as stated above, welfare is the largest part. Where did I say that they were not. Imagine that, using tax dollars to help people - what a watse - isn't there a war that we can fight to do more good? The rate of taxes we use to pay for services and teh ultimate svs rendered are far lower here than other indust countries. Where? Right here: Quoteuniversal care would be HEAVILY DWARFED by your president's militaryMike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #396 February 8, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote perhaps shave your elitist salary. Great to have docs care so much for humanity Dude... you have no idea what my salary is. Your self-rightous assumptions are getting old And WTH about the comment on my caring for humanity. You have no clue. He'll fit in just fine in China, don't you think? No, more like Europe. Sorry for you but Nazi Germany is now a descent place, perhaps with your exclusivity and hate you would make a good Muslim extremist. Funny, the people I see spewing the most insults and hate in the threads are....drum roll.... LIBS. I know very well what type of place Germany is - I spent 6 years living there. I don't think it's going to be socialist enough to suit you, though.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #397 February 8, 2008 QuoteQuoteI want all to have insurance and I'm self-righteous? Priceless. What we do know is that is that you want health coverage to be exclusive....draw your own opinions....That's just a guise for the desire to punish those who have been more productive and successful in their lives than you. Who do you think you're kidding? Sorry, but the anger you carry, and true altruism don't walk hand in hand. He's not an altruist, he's a socialist, and pisses and moans and spews bile because we won't agree with him on the principle. He's the living example of the "The only reason socialism hasn't worked yet is because the right people haven't been in charge" axiom.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #398 February 8, 2008 QuoteWhat hypocrisy? I got subsidized education and approve of someone else getting subsidized education. Do you believe we should subsidize gun ownership? You just had to introduce the last straw - guns. Did anyone mention boobies?" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #399 February 8, 2008 QuoteQuoteHave we? All I see is people who've accepted one form of government handout claiming that it's not a handout when they got it, but it is a handout if someone less fortunate than themselves gets it.Since most money for education is collected on the local level, the only children who have received a handout are those whose parents are not paying property tax, unless they are paying the dummie's tax; aka state lottery. Taxes are taxes are taxes. Your argument is bogus.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #400 February 8, 2008 Quote BTW... nothing in the Constitution that we have to "keep up with the Joneses", either - sorry to disappoint you. . Where does the Constitution say we have to invade countries on the other side of the world that have not threatened us?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
