Does this clip make you want to become a vegetarian?

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Why do I eat meat?

I didn't ask.

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Because [Meat] has lots of protein and iron.

Nutritionally speaking, on a scale of 1 to 10 (10 being too much and 5 being "just right"), how would you rate your current protein & iron intake?

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meat-heavy diets, perhaps. There's no reason to eat a 22 ounce steak (unless you really want to)

Meat has a lot of nutritional benefits, but as I've said, it is a concentrated food source. Therefore you only need to eat a relatively small amount to gain those particular benefits.


Interestingly, there are people who live in Siberia & similar places who subsist on mostly meat for a large portion of the year. A lot of it is freshly-killed game (and/or, soon frozen) which still contains many vitamins that you'd normally get from plants.

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Therefore you only need to eat a relatively small amount to gain those particular benefits.

SWEET! Let's do that.

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All really good points. One seems to be missing though, we need to cook our meat to eat it. Even certain types of sushi need to be prepared a specific way for human consumption. You just cant take any regular cut of tuna and serve it up raw.

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It's ironic that our hunting, meat-eating habits is so responsible for the development of the human intellect, and, hence, the level of comfort, such that we now have the luxury to rest on our laurels & say how "wrong" it is to eat meat.

I'm not in the camp that believes it's "wrong" to eat meat.

But the way we over-produce and over-eat the stuff today, at least in my realm of the US, is disgustingly "wrong" on several fronts.

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This might sound a bit whacky but, I blame Walt Disney for all this PETA crap!

Walt Disney also made a movie about lemmings that were intentionally herded along treacherous paths, and many fell to their deaths. To this day, people still think that lemmings commit suicide because of that movie.

Disney isn't any more animal friendly than any other media outlet, but they are just as sensational and misleading.

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Nope, don't eat meat a lot but there are times when my body craves it. Avoid fast food as much as possible.

Read most of the thread and was surprised know one mentioned what happens when the fields are plowed for veggies. Hundreds of small animals meet their death and get mixed in with the dirt. Same happens when it's harvesting time. Unless your growing your own in pots inside your eating plenty of animals and their waste.

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Never mind the small creatures killed and displaced, or the ground water sucked dry or contaminated by corporate farming, or overusage of pesticides and herbicides.

None of that makes a difference when someone is bashing eating meat or a non vegan lifestyle.

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Yup.

Quite a few of the small farmers that you see in your trendy "farmers markets" hire hunters to clear their fields of deer, rabbit, and all kinds of birds to ensure a better yield. Wonder what those corporate farms do?

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This might sound a bit whacky but, I blame Walt Disney for all this PETA crap!

Walt Disney also made a movie about lemmings that were intentionally herded along treacherous paths, and many fell to their deaths. To this day, people still think that lemmings commit suicide because of that movie.

Disney isn't any more animal friendly than any other media outlet, but they are just as sensational and misleading.

Amen.


Chuck

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(a slow death adversely affects flavor, supposedly)

there may be some truth to that. last season i killed a deer that was in the middle of a river still alaive but had been shot first by another hunter. the deer was 1 1/2 years old and does taste gamey. my buddy's deer was 4 1/2 to 5 1/2 years old but was killed, skinned, quartered, and in ice water very quickly and happens to be the best deer that i've ever tasted.

Well at least we have our priorities in order, who gives a fuck about the suffering YOU cause.

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As for a good shot, never been one. I mostly like what they call assualt weapons, still trying to find a non-assault weapon. I don;t shoot for accuracy, I shoot for fun

What a huge waste of money. You could be buying some poor family some steak.

Or, better yet, I could be a total POS and aim at a living creature rather than to aim at targets or plain nothing.

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Personally.. a quick bullet is far kinder to months of starvation thru a really bad winter...

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Well, maybe we shoukd use that philosophy for homeless people in fall Fucking brilliant.

So you're now trying to save the same creatures who made this world such a miserable place for you to live in?
I would think that thinning the herd would be the solution.

So you're advocating killing homeless people? WTF? And how do homeless make the world misserable?

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>Hey here's a thought, you are so hell-bent on killing these animals
>so they don't have to starve, what if you kill a mother who is collecting
>food for her young . . .

pssst - Lucky - deer don't collect food for their young.

Pssssst, Bill, she eats it and provides milk until they are old enough, then leads then to show them how to survive all the ahole predators.

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If we weren't supposed to eat animals, then why are they made out of meat?

And so tasty and well-served with potatoes?

Followed by hardened arteries and colon cancer. And, if unfortunately found soon enough, a colostomy bag. Hmmm, I guess there is something in it for everyone, unfortunately I have to wait until the 50-60's to feel satisfed.

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If we weren't supposed to eat animals, then why are they made out of meat?

We are designed to eat meat. But we are omnivores, so eating meat is a choice.

In today's world, most people who eat meat do so because they are ignorant (or don't care) about the negative environmental and health issues in doing so.

OTOH, people who aren't ignorant and who do care choose not to eat meat, or at least refine their meat-source choices.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>We are designed to eat meat. But we are omnivores, so eating meat is a choice.

What? Anthropologically we are herbivoires. Going back to our furthest ancestors we don't find meat eaters. If you think we are meat eaters, even after 1000's and 1000's of years of evolution, 10,000 if a person is a Jesus nut, then explain the need to cook meat. Hell, vultures can eat meat that has been dead for some time, modern day canine domesticus can even eat raw meat, but we will soon get ill or die if we eat much of it raw. I believe human acestors have been around long before the discovery of fire and the preperation of food, hence we didn't originally eat meat. Even by today's standards, our digestive enzymes have a hard time converting mets, esp red meats.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In today's world, most people who eat meat do so because they are ignorant (or don't care) about the negative environmental and health issues in doing so.

That's two possibilities. You stated ignorant and don't care. Ignorant is not knowing, not caring is knowing and be too big a fuck to do the right thing.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>OTOH, people who aren't ignorant and who do care choose not to eat meat, or at least refine their meat-source choices.

Or decide that a living creature's life is not worth a meal.

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Our digestive tract is also that of an omnivore, but the human physiology is definitely FURTHER into the carnivorous end of the spectrum than our primate relatives. ie, our digestive tract is much shorter, indicating we are designed to eat more of a more efficient food source, (ie, meat).

OK, than our relatives, who were strict herbovoires. Hmm, I'm trying to find the carnivoire side of us....let's see, pathetic, so-called fangs, exclusively incisors up front to chop food and mollers to grind it. I can look at my dog or cat and find little simularities with my teeth and theirs. The enzymatic action is far different, and the need to cook meat is present only with me. If we lack fiber, only found in vegetation, some functions suffer, whereas dogs/cats can go forever w/o it. Yea.....I'm tinking you're wrong

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.Also if you look at the way we evolved from Australopithecines: The human brain evolved rapidly among our more carnivorous ancestors compared to the more herbivorous hominids that were around at the same time. After all, we were going after a food source that moves.


So you're attributing eating meat to rapid evolution of brains. A far stretch considering we know very little about our ancsestors and have no way of drawing that lind of conclusion other than a guess of convenience.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>It's ironic that our hunting, meat-eating habits is so responsible for the development of the human intellect, and, hence, the level of comfort, such that we now have the luxury to rest on our laurels & say how "wrong" it is to eat meat.

First, you're drawing some conclusion that intelect is somehow connected to meat eating - a pure guess substantiated by nothing. I would also guess that we ate meat in the primal development of modern man as an alternate food source.

It's "wrong" to eat meat for many reasons:

1) The food used to raise meat could feed many more people
2) The lands used to raise cattle get trampled
3) Methane polution
4) Of course people w/o a conscence don't care, but the suffering to animals, esp veal
5) Many more


Actually, as part of your evolution of man's brain, perhaps part of that evolution is developing a higher conscience. So even if you're somehow right about your theory of the development of man's brain, that same theory might bite you in the ass. Maybe the most developed learn not to eat meat due to health concerns and this plays into natural selection. Maybe your guess of a theory is right. You're right, that is ironic.

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Or decide that a living creature's life is not worth a meal.

ah so we can assume you are a Fruitarian?

everything you eat (unless you are one of these fringe zealots) takes life in order to continue your own...


life feeds on life feeds on life feeds on life feeds on life feeds on.....

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I am really beginning to wonder if a certain someone lives on the same planet we do

Friggin speciesist plant murderers

http://www.farshores.org/p05sha.htm

In 1966, Cleve Backster was America’s foremost lie-detector examiner and such an expert in their use that he taught classes to various police departments and security organizations. He serendipitously discovered that, by using a galvanometer (lie-detector) to measure the minute electrical signals from plants, he could determine their responses to various stimuli and situations. He conducted numerous experiments to demonstrate that plants and humans share similar response patterns. Plants have positive and negative emotional responses to their physical and “mental” environments just like we do. In fact, Backster discovered from his experiments that plants are even more capable than most humans in at least one respect. Plants are capable of telepathy or “reading the minds” of the other beings in their environment. They form bonds with certain individuals and are capable of knowing the intention of those individuals. Intent is a mental activity.

So, we need to ask, where are the sensing organs and emotional response centers for plants? Where is the brain? Since it is communicating without sound and speech as we know it, what is the medium that is used to carry communications? Because there is so much going on here that is not available to our sensory organs, maybe we should accept the notion that we are aware of only a very small part of this realm or dimension in which we live. Perhaps plants do have brains and sensing organs, but they do not manifest in a form that is visible or available to us. If plants, which are a lower form of life than humans, can communicate telepathically, why can’t humans? Perhaps it is because we are taught at a very early age that communication is to be accomplished only with our five “ordinary” senses, hearing, sight, smell, touch and taste.

God, now Amazon has relegated herself to the argument of, "OK, I'm a killer, but so are you guys." And she does so by trying to personify plans. Hey Amazon, get this, some plant food is taken from fruit, a part of the plant designed to fall off anyway.

You should recognize how hard up that argument is; plants have electrical stimuli too. I don't have a problem with cats, dogs, born carnovires eating meat, but when the supposed most intelligent species selectively eats meat at the cost of suffering, well, I do have an issue.

And to claim I am from another planet and then issue your, plants have feelings too based upon some lie detector nutjob.

LIe detector administrators have the reputation of somewhere below lawyers and car salesmen as well. In fact it is so unreliable that they are not admitted in court, and pretty much everything goes into court. What's next, your Ouiji board? ......And I'm from another planet?

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There's lots of well thought-out stuff in this thread. But the "we're not designed to eat meat" argument just doesn't work. The very first thing that comes to my mind is Vitamin B-12. Can't live without it....or at least if you're gonna have blood and a brain. Can't get it from veggies. It's either meat, eggs, milk or a dietary supplement off the shelf.

Our digestive systems handle meat just fine....but they need a bit of fiber/roughage too. Somebody, at some point in history, said something about "balance in all things." I think that's probably true here too.

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SAVE THE PLANTS



Except for CORN

I have determined that CORN while being a usefull food source.. and industrial resource...is completely and utterly evil... and hence deserves to be used as a food source and a raw product for making other food stuffs.. and for being used to create Ethanol

Wait, how bout we open a park, use the corn to feed little defenseless deer and charge an admission for nuts hell-bent on killing the most defenseless, harmless animals.

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SAVE THE PLANTS



Except for CORN

I have determined that CORN while being a usefull food source.. and industrial resource...is completely and utterly evil... and hence deserves to be used as a food source and a raw product for making other food stuffs.. and for being used to create Ethanol

Wait, how bout we open a park, use the corn to feed little defenseless deer and charge an admission for nuts hell-bent on killing the most defenseless, harmless animals.

Corn-fed deer just aren't as tasty, imho.

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That's the best compilation of evidence I've seen, that one's going to docs.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Herbivores have small throats since they chew everything a lot. Carnivores have wide throats since they don't chew very much (meat is easy to digest.) We have small throats. Indeed, "choking on a piece of meat" is still the biggest cause of choking deaths.


So there is a benefit to meat eaters: less traffic for vegetarians

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Why do I eat meat?

Because it tastes good and has lots of protein and iron.

Please increase you meat consumption

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Indeed, "choking on a piece of meat" is still the biggest cause of choking deaths.


OMG!!! I missed that the first time around...lol ... This is my FAVORITE quote of the day. *Almost* makes me want to change my sig line...heh

Maybe my mind's just in the gutter though. Tube steak anyone???

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