pirana 0 #51 February 22, 2008 QuoteQuote>Our willingness to have our brothers killing our brothers was destroyed by the Civil War. Kent State was _after_ the Civil War. And those were just rocks they were defending themselves against. Even for SC, this is a sad thread, with triple hypotheticals and crappy comparisons left and right. Agreed. Reminds me of a truly ignorant aquanitance who used to claim Kentucky was not really a state and could go it's own way anytime because it is labeled as a Commonwealth in it's constitution; or some BS like that. Please. I am losing faith in the ability of the average human to put their brain in gear; but they aren'y that stupid, . . . yet." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #52 February 22, 2008 Quote Since the beautiful state of Montana does not appear wanted by some of you, I will trade you a 6th and a 9th round draft pick for the state of Montana (heck you can keep the eastern plains, we just want Montana's mountains). Albertans need more vacation property and we've pretty much already bought up most of eastern BC. Uhm,.. dude.... The eastern plains have oil. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #53 February 22, 2008 QuoteThe eastern plains have oil. Well in that case Montana and Alberta should join forces to create their own independent country. I wonder if the moron in the White House would recognize an independent Mont'berta? or better yet an independent Albert'ana. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lastchance 0 #54 February 22, 2008 If people like Puerto Rico better than Montana then why don't they move there instead of here and driving our land prices so far out of sight that the average Montanan can hardly afford it. What we could buy 25 yrs ago for $500 an acre now goes for $10,000. We have a saying around here. Welcome to Montana, now go home. I may be getting old but I got to see all the cool bands. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #55 February 22, 2008 Quote If people like Puerto Rico better than Montana then why don't they move there instead of here and driving our land prices so far out of sight that the average Montanan can hardly afford it. What we could buy 25 yrs ago for $500 an acre now goes for $10,000. We have a saying around here. Welcome to Montana, now go home. We say that in California too, though none of us would complain about land at 10k/acre. Personally I'd keep Montana over Puerto Rico anyday. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lastchance 0 #56 February 23, 2008 All the militia-type whackjobs come from other states and set up camp here. Every nut job out there thinks they can hide here and not be found. Bullshit. This is the MANHUNT state. We will find you. I may be getting old but I got to see all the cool bands. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #57 February 23, 2008 Quote Welcome to Montana, now go home. I'm betting the Native Americans would like to have a word with all of you in that regard..____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lastchance 0 #58 February 23, 2008 I'm betting the Native Americans would like to have a word with the entire USA in that regard. I may be getting old but I got to see all the cool bands. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #59 February 23, 2008 Quote Quote Welcome to Montana, now go home. I'm betting the Native Americans would like to have a word with all of you in that regard.. Why? They were no more native, having come from Asia. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #60 February 24, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Welcome to Montana, now go home. I'm betting the Native Americans would like to have a word with all of you in that regard.. Why? They were no more native, having come from Asia. which simply illustrates the point of how stupid 'locals only' arguments are.____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #61 February 24, 2008 Quote Quote Welcome to Montana, now go home. I'm betting the Native Americans would like to have a word with all of you in that regard.. "...and the General, he don't ride well any more." -Johnny Cash Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gjhdiver 0 #62 February 24, 2008 QuoteThey have an excellent point. It's too bad they are abandoning it by threatening to secede. No one will take such a statement seriously, and the original issue will be lost in the nonsense that ensues. And if they did secede, would anyone notice ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cold-air-rising 0 #63 February 24, 2008 OK Now has anyone seen the videos of the Military practicing in removing terrorist threats from a Southern Town. They moved into the town swept the streets breaking into all vehicles to search for any weapons then Broke into and tore apart all the Homes to disarm any civilians in the area meanwhile the people were pushed to the side with not as much as a response from the military as they ripped through the town completely disarming and searching the area and to think they weren't even considered a threat. THIS IS CALLED TRAINING FOR THE REMOVAL OF OUR FREEDOMS AS CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES IS IT NOT. And you can say oh well thats the Feds all you want because if sheepel are just going to stand aside and not do anything about the issues because there fragile lives are to important to be bothered with such small issues so far away then find one of the true Americans who work to preserve there freedom take there gun and shoot yourself so the government cant say well this many people aren't against us. Flat out the american people have the right to bare arms to defend themselves from outside invaders and from there own government because God knows our very own government is slowly but surley slipping away. And we must always remember The Declaration of independence: WE hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness—That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient Causes; and accordingly all Experience hath shewn, that Mankind are more disposed to suffer, while Evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a Design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their Right, it is their Duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future Security. Such has been the patient Sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the Necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The History of the present King of Great-Britain is a History of repeated Injuries and Usurpations, all having in direct Object the Establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid World. Not only is the Right to bare arms the second amendment but the Declaration of independence flat out states the people must have the power to overthrow the Govrnment and this chipping away at our rights is the Fed. just gaining enough power for that to be impossible and now even with the war on terrorism as well takes our very Declaration of Independence and turns it into a Terrorist act so remember this is a country of the people for the people by the people and for those who would rather just go on with there lives need to think how many people died for them to have that life and to do all to preserve it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,008 #64 February 25, 2008 >Why? They were no more native, having come from Asia. Well, if "seniority" doesn't matter, why the heck are we giving all these mexican immigrants such a hard time? They're as native as we are. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #65 February 25, 2008 Quote>Why? They were no more native, having come from Asia. Well, if "seniority" doesn't matter, why the heck are we giving all these mexican immigrants such a hard time? They're as native as we are. They have to successfully invade just like everyone before them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #66 February 25, 2008 QuoteThey have to successfully invade just like everyone before them. I think the term immigrant implies they are already here/have already invaded.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #67 February 25, 2008 QuoteQuoteThey have to successfully invade just like everyone before them. I think the term immigrant implies they are already here/have already invaded. physical presence means little without any power (be it military or voting). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #68 February 25, 2008 Quotephysical presence means little without any power (be it military or voting). Or economic power, which they do have.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #69 February 25, 2008 Readable paragraphs and sentences please." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #70 February 25, 2008 Quotephysical presence means little without any power (be it military or voting). They just built a new Lowes store near my house.. EVERY sign in the store is in Spanish as well as English. You live in California ... where it is even more prevalent. IT is a concerted effort to return the entire southwest to their utopian Aztlan. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,008 #71 February 25, 2008 >They have to successfully invade just like everyone before them. Uh, they have. There are now something like 15 million illegal immigrants here now, most from Mexico. Although per your standards I shouldn't call them "illegal" since they have as much justification to be here as we do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #72 February 25, 2008 Quote>They have to successfully invade just like everyone before them. Uh, they have. There are now something like 15 million illegal immigrants here now, most from Mexico. Although per your standards I shouldn't call them "illegal" since they have as much justification to be here as we do. It's hardly successful - if you have to rely on forged papers or getting paid less than minimum wage, you're living on the edge of society, constantly in fear of being deported. 15M out of 300 isn't power. Illegal per the laws of the reigning power. If you mean laws of nature, then they're still illegal as the minority interlopers at this time, but that of course is in constant flux. Every mass amnesty plan for status is a victory. But to what result? I still a legal, moral apartheid forming in the southwest states over the next 50 years where Latinos are becoming a majority or the largest block, yet have little wealth (and therefore power). 50 years past that, this may balance out, or it may ressemble most Latin American countries where the distribution of wealth is still very narrow by our norms. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
