Fines for Illegal Hiring to Rise

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Let's say that potential employers in the agricultural industry do call out the fakes. What would you propose be the alternative for the agricultural industry to illegal labor?

I would venture to say that the reason that the laws are not enforced is because no reasonable alternative has been found.

I was referring to the construction industry.

But, you raise a fun point.

We should start a new thread regarding agricultural reform.

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Let's say that potential employers in the agricultural industry do call out the fakes. What would you propose be the alternative for the agricultural industry to illegal labor?

I would venture to say that the reason that the laws are not enforced is because no reasonable alternative has been found.

Reasonable is of course a loose term. But what we have now is a moving shell game where GOP governors talk about tight borders but also watch the migrant farm workers come over, sometimes even propose farm worker visa programs.

Will Americans do this work? Who knows - if the wages are below minimum few will offer. So if we mandate min wage and price produce accordingly, will we come up with a better equilibrium that we have now?

What about tapping the vast labor possibilities among the welfare recipients? Revamp the welfare system and quit some of the 'handouts'.


Chuck

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What about tapping the vast labor possibilities among the welfare recipients? Revamp the welfare system and quit some of the 'handouts'.

If they would be willing or you could get them to do work a tenth that hard, they wouldn't be on welfare in the first place.

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What about tapping the vast labor possibilities among the welfare recipients? Revamp the welfare system and quit some of the 'handouts'.

If they would be willing or you could get them to do work a tenth that hard, they wouldn't be on welfare in the first place.

Cut-off the funds and they might change their minds. Why should they work when we are supporting them? An empty belly, might change their thinking.


Chuck

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It might spur the robotics industry on. Now we're talking real proletarian dystopia.

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What about tapping the vast labor possibilities among the welfare recipients? Revamp the welfare system and quit some of the 'handouts'.

If they would be willing or you could get them to do work a tenth that hard, they wouldn't be on welfare in the first place.

Cut-off the funds and they might change their minds. Why should they work when we are supporting them? An empty belly, might change their thinking.


Chuck

For starters, we need another "Operation Wetback". Only this time the military gives the Border Patrol more clout.http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0706/p09s01-coop.html Surprise. Our government wasn't always in the surrender mode.

Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts.

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its no use just give up there is never going to be a win win answer here and the best loser is us, the lazy white americans lets just do what they all did and run for the boarder... of canada. at least they have free health care

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One thing that is often overlooked in immigration debates is that as the number of undocumented workers decreases, the incentive for the companies that hire them to leave the country increases. With them also go all the jobs currently held by legal workers in the US.

Obviously, agriculture is tied to a geographic location, but many other types of jobs are not.

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What about tapping the vast labor possibilities among the welfare recipients? Revamp the welfare system and quit some of the 'handouts'.

If they would be willing or you could get them to do work a tenth that hard, they wouldn't be on welfare in the first place.

Cut-off the funds and they might change their minds. Why should they work when we are supporting them? An empty belly, might change their thinking.


Chuck

For starters, we need another "Operation Wetback". Only this time the military gives the Border Patrol more clout.http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0706/p09s01-coop.html Surprise. Our government wasn't always in the surrender mode.

Military does not control the Border Patrol... two different departments.


Chuck

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Chuck

For starters, we need another "Operation Wetback". Only this time the military gives the Border Patrol more clout.http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0706/p09s01-coop.html Surprise. Our government wasn't always in the surrender mode.

Military does not control the Border Patrol... two different departments.


Chuck I think we could safely say nobody controls our borders right now. The military has been used before and after 9/11 to fly drug and surveillance missions for both borders. Until the Border Patrol controls our borders, they will be will be increasingly augmented with the military. For example, the Border Patrol has had to run from fights with drug smugglers on our side of the Mexican border.

Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts.

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the new law in az is, 5k fine for first off. 2nd is 15k and 10 day suspension of buss. lic. permanent suspension on 3rd

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I think AZ should be commended. We also need real federal enforcement because so many senators and congressmen receive money from people who employ these illegals. Not since President Eisenhower, has a president had the guts to do something about it. Evidently Vincente Fox's friendship is more important to Bush than us; kind of like his Saudi friendships.

Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts.

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Chuck

For starters, we need another "Operation Wetback". Only this time the military gives the Border Patrol more clout.http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0706/p09s01-coop.html Surprise. Our government wasn't always in the surrender mode.

Military does not control the Border Patrol... two different departments.


Chuck I think we could safely say nobody controls our borders right now. The military has been used before and after 9/11 to fly drug and surveillance missions for both borders. Until the Border Patrol controls our borders, they will be will be increasingly augmented with the military. For example, the Border Patrol has had to run from fights with drug smugglers on our side of the Mexican border.

True story. The last time the military 'assisted' the Border Patrol, they were given rubber bullets and if, they saw anything, they were to contact Border Patrol Agents. That's nuts! Right down the Rio Grande from where I live, Laredo, Texas is like a war zone with drug cartels trying to gain control. They control Laredo, they have almost 'free travel' to points North. They're indiscriminately firing .50 cal. weapons in the streets. The story is about the same along the border to the Pacific. I think, what our government might try, would be to take the troops from the Korean border and put them on our Southwest border... with live ammo!?


Chuck

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I don't discount that Bush has priorities that are not aligned with ours, but in addition to negatives I see many positives from immigrants, legal and illegal. Specifically to illegal, the amount of taxes many of them pay without the benefits that come as a direct result (ie - social security). Some (many) do not pay taxes, but how many American citizens get paid under the table? That has nothing to do with being a legal citizen or not.

I would be interested to see an actual side by side analysis of the pros and cons of illegal immigration.

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Chuck

For starters, we need another "Operation Wetback". Only this time the military gives the Border Patrol more clout.http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0706/p09s01-coop.html Surprise. Our government wasn't always in the surrender mode.

Military does not control the Border Patrol... two different departments.


Chuck I think we could safely say nobody controls our borders right now. The military has been used before and after 9/11 to fly drug and surveillance missions for both borders. Until the Border Patrol controls our borders, they will be will be increasingly augmented with the military. For example, the Border Patrol has had to run from fights with drug smugglers on our side of the Mexican border.

True story. The last time the military 'assisted' the Border Patrol, they were given rubber bullets and if, they saw anything, they were to contact Border Patrol Agents. That's nuts! Right down the Rio Grande from where I live, Laredo, Texas is like a war zone with drug cartels trying to gain control. They control Laredo, they have almost 'free travel' to points North. They're indiscriminately firing .50 cal. weapons in the streets. The story is about the same along the border to the Pacific. I think, what our government might try, would be to take the troops from the Korean border and put them on our Southwest border... with live ammo!?


Chuck I'm on your side; US Army gunships for the smugglers now. How can the Director of Homeland Security sleep knowing a Mexican Army Humvee chased off fed and local law enforcement north of the border?

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Chuck

For starters, we need another "Operation Wetback". Only this time the military gives the Border Patrol more clout.http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0706/p09s01-coop.html Surprise. Our government wasn't always in the surrender mode.

Military does not control the Border Patrol... two different departments.


Chuck

I think we could safely say nobody controls our borders right now. The military has been used before and after 9/11 to fly drug and surveillance missions for both borders. Until the Border Patrol controls our borders, they will be will be increasingly augmented with the military. For example, the Border Patrol has had to run from fights with drug smugglers on our side of the Mexican border.

True story. The last time the military 'assisted' the Border Patrol, they were given rubber bullets and if, they saw anything, they were to contact Border Patrol Agents. That's nuts! Right down the Rio Grande from where I live, Laredo, Texas is like a war zone with drug cartels trying to gain control. They control Laredo, they have almost 'free travel' to points North. They're indiscriminately firing .50 cal. weapons in the streets. The story is about the same along the border to the Pacific. I think, what our government might try, would be to take the troops from the Korean border and put them on our Southwest border... with live ammo!?


Chuck I'm on your side; US Army gunships for the smugglers now. How can the Director of Homeland Security sleep knowing a Mexican Army Humvee chased off fed and local law enforcement north of the border?

Mexican military vehicleshave beensen fueling at truck stops here in Texas, late at night. The Sheriff of Hudspeth county, Texas, was involved in a shoot-out with drug smugglers. The stories go on and on. The stories are kept out of the press... election year. El Paso news personnel have tried covering incidences along our border but, are only met with threats. Because of our laws, the hands of the Border Patrol, are pretty much tied. Meanwhile, they are getting involved in deadly encounters with drug and alien smugglers and Agents are dying. Our illustrious governor of Texas, wants the intended fence/wall to be one fence/wall rather than the specified double fence/wall. U.S. citizens are being kidnapped from U.S. border cities. Not just Texas but, all the border states. Drugs are being 'escorted' into this country by Mexican military. Yet, we have senators and congressmen saying that we have no problems on our border and reports are being blown out of proportion. They need to get off their duffs and come down here and see for themselves. Fat chance.


Chuck

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Doh! If I was still illegal, and wasn't trying to be a pilot and all, I'd offer to put money for the fine into escrow, and then work illegally. If I wasn't caught, I'd get the money back, if I got caught and I had to pay the fine for the employer, IT WOULD STILL BE CHEAPER THAN TO IMMIGRATE THE LEGAL WAY!

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