Iraq war & Vietnam war comparisons

[vortexring 0]

Skippy - you're digging yourself into a hole when there isn't any need mate. And I also think you might find yourself surprised with the amount of regular posters here who serve in the military. And have far more operational experience than you seem to have.

So it isn't really something to get your knickers in a twist about is it? Or gob off about.
Anyway, it'd be nice to hear your story regarding this funny coloured smoke/radiation poisoning. It really would.

edit: As it happens, I was out there around that time too; doing my old job. And it was quite the opposite of a REMF.

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

[crwtom 0]

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A military officer I was talking to compared them this way

"Vietnam was a War that was portrayed to the public as a police action. Iraq is a police action that is being portrayed as a war."

if there is one thing in regard to military strategy to learned from Iraq then it is that the involvement in Iraq is NOT a police action.

That was the perception of the "Rumsfeld doctrine" to occupy a country of 20+Mio with light forces at less than a third of troop strength that is conventionally asked for to establish law and order in country this size. Promptly US military lost control right from the beginning with the widespread looting, sharp rise in common crime, and start of religiously/ethnically motivate crimes.

The lawlessness right from the start was quoted by former Al Qaeda people as the one thing that helped them most to establish themselves. So essentially AQ in Iraq owes their existence to the "Rumsfeld doctrine".

Apart from AQ the disintegration of public order and safety also led later to the tribe wars, ethnic cleansing, violence against women, and murders of common crime.

The idea that you can occupy a country such as Iraq as a matter of a police action has cost huge amounts of lives and will have repercussion for decades to come. Aside from the humanitarian cost it entailed the obviously substandard occupational force is also a violation of basic international law which puts the responsibility of providing for the safety and public order for ordinary people on the occupier - to do what is required within "industry standards".

Cheers, T

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[FreeflyChile 0]

Here you go:

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3144416;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;;page=unread#unread

[kallend 2,026]

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You are the fucking professor. Tell me. I don't get paid to make decisions of that nature. But we saw what we saw.

I saw colored smoke too. It was being trailed behind the Golden Knights demo jumpers. Maybe they had WMDs tucked into their jumpsuits.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[Amazon 7]

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Damn, you got that one part right Skippy!

Hey its a rather nice large "chest" although I really dont need nearly as much of all that chest puffing and BX soldiering as so many of the boys.

[Skyrad 0]

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I think it's time for the children to go outside and play so that us grown ups take care of adult stuff.

Oh to be 23 years old again
LMFAO

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[vortexring 0]

I think we all would; like to 23 again and read Skippy's fascinating WMD stories.

C'mon Skippy, we're all ears ya fucker.

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

[Skyrad 0]

ROFLMFAO

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[skydyvr 0]

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C'mon Skippy, we're all ears ya fucker.

I'm thinking Skippy skipped out on us.

. . =(_8^(1)

[mpohl 1]

People never learn and the lessons of history need to be re-learned every 50-100 yrs.

For example, if it were any other way, albeit on a different time scale, this board could do away with the Incident forum.

Give up all hope.
/M

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It remains amazing to me how some people are still going to deny the similarities even though they were obvious even before it started.

[Skyrad 0]

'TituchTituchTituchTituch'......

"Whats that Skippy?"

'TituchTituchTituchTituch'......

"The smoke? What smokes that Skippy?"

'TituchTituchTituchTituch'...... Thud!

"Skippy? SKIPPY???...."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpASbAO5LX4

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[GQ_jumper 4]

edit: As it happens, I was out there around that time too; doing my old job. And it was quite the opposite of a REMF.

Now now vortex, we don't call them REMF's anymore, they're FOBITs

History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid.
--Dwight D. Eisenhower

[warpedskydiver 0]

Just ask Vortex is he wants green ones or red ones.

He will know what I mean

[KidWicked 0]

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I'll be at Ft. Indiantown Gap from 28 March to 18 April getting ready to protect your pompous ass!!!!!

Sorry, but you aren't protecting jack shit over in Iraq, you're making it more dangerous for us, in fact.

Coreece: "You sound like some skinheads I know, but your prejudice is with Christians, not niggers..."

[KidWicked 0]

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You are the fucking professor. Tell me. I don't get paid to make decisions of that nature. But we saw what we saw.

I saw colored smoke too. It was being trailed behind the Golden Knights demo jumpers. Maybe they had WMDs tucked into their jumpsuits.

LOL, this thread is a classic.

Coreece: "You sound like some skinheads I know, but your prejudice is with Christians, not niggers..."

[warpedskydiver 0]

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I'll be at Ft. Indiantown Gap from 28 March to 18 April getting ready to protect your pompous ass!!!!!

Sorry, but you aren't protecting jack shit over in Iraq, you're making it more dangerous for us, in fact.

Maybe you should refrain from speaking.

[skippyjumps 0]

Actually I have realized that I'm swinging hay makers at the whole dropzone.com crew. I just realized how close ya'll are. I will buy anyone a drink and finish the debate at my local water hole if anyone wants to finish. I refuse to brawl with 100+ "fair minded" people. So, I will not compromise my stance, nor will I finish this debate. We can agree to disagree. If not "F"- everyone!!!!!

"whatcha doin with that lawn mower blade?"

[skippyjumps 0]

dude, I was there 2x I did see what"I" believe to be WMD, did take care of a few foreign fighters, but I'm just trying to piss people off. I'll back up my shit, but remember this; I DO NOT GIVE TWO,THREE, OR FOUR S%#TS!!!! If someone calls me a criminal or tells me they support me by not my illegal war I've been fighting( I live close to New Paltz NY) I don't cry myself to sleep. I don't care what anyone else thinks. But if I can piss off a few hundred slimey skydivers I think I had a good day. Point made? Oh BTW, Kipling is a great read!

"whatcha doin with that lawn mower blade?"

[Amazon 7]

DUDE.. you are the best entertainment we have had in here in a while....

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Pissed off nah.. this is the internet... I expect people like you to do exactly what you are doing....all the anonimity makes for some scary brave mother fuckers.

[skippyjumps 0]

"whatcha doin with that lawn mower blade?"

[skippyjumps 0]

I thought the were called F.O.B.BITS

"whatcha doin with that lawn mower blade?"

[Skyrad 0]

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Actually I have realized that I'm swinging hay makers at the whole dropzone.com crew. I just realized how close ya'll are. I will buy anyone a drink and finish the debate at my local water hole if anyone wants to finish. I refuse to brawl with 100+ "fair minded" people. So, I will not compromise my stance, nor will I finish this debate. We can agree to disagree. If not "F"- everyone!!!!!

Can't say fairer than that!

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[Royd 0]

DUDE.. you are the best entertainment we have had in here in a while....

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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Pissed off nah.. this is the internet... I expect people like you to do exactly what you are doing....all the anonimity makes for some scary brave mother fuckers.

Doesn't it, though!

[likearock 2]

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DUDE.. you are the best entertainment we have had in here in a while....

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Pissed off nah.. this is the internet... I expect people like you to do exactly what you are doing....all the anonimity makes for some scary brave mother fuckers.

That's a cheap shot in this case. Jimmy has filled out his profile completely, including full name and dropzone. He also makes a point of inviting people there if they want to discuss this further. Believe me, if anyone wants to take him up, you won't see any difference from what he says here.

[Amazon 7]

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That's a cheap shot in this case.

I travel a lot.. and have met a hell of a lot of DIZZY DOT COMMERS... I am sure they will tell you that I will speak truth to power where ever I go and who ever the fuck is that thinks they have power. What you see is what you get.. but I have met a few from here who are not the same loud mouth macho pricks in person that they are on DIZZY.

Then again... the LOUDER mouths.. never show up at a DZ even... is there somethinbg to that???? hmmmmmmm