skybytch 273 #1 March 19, 2008 You're right, Mr. Bush. The war in Iraq MUST GO ON. 4000+ dead and tens of thousands of wounded US soldiers and the country in a recession aren't enough of a legacy to leave behind when you finally leave office. 1/20/09. Can't come soon enough. I'll be joining the protests in Sacramento today. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #2 March 19, 2008 And Cheney's still out there spouting links between Iraq and 9/11. I used to think that he was just a despicable liar, now I'm beginning to think he might be mentally ill. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #3 March 19, 2008 Quote1/20/09. Can't come soon enough. Given the current crop of candidates ... 1/20/13 can't come soon enough."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zarkon 0 #4 March 19, 2008 QuoteQuote1/20/09. Can't come soon enough. Given the current crop of candidates ... 1/20/13 can't come soon enough. Couldn't agree with you more except there is one good dem/rep candidate IMO, and the news doesn't even acknowledge him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFXpert 0 #5 March 19, 2008 Interesting article by Angelina Jolie.Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #6 March 19, 2008 Quote And Cheney's still out there spouting links between Iraq and 9/11. I used to think that he was just a despicable liar, now I'm beginning to think he might be mentally ill. He is! How else would he accidentally shoot his pal in the face? "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #7 March 19, 2008 Quote Couldn't agree with you more except there is one good dem/rep candidate IMO, and the news doesn't even acknowledge him. If Ron Paul was such a great guy with so many ardent supporters, why was he gone from the running by January? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zarkon 0 #8 March 19, 2008 QuoteQuote Couldn't agree with you more except there is one good dem/rep candidate IMO, and the news doesn't even acknowledge him. If Ron Paul was such a great guy with so many ardent supporters, why was he gone from the running by January? I don't want to cry 'conspiracy', but it's media coverage. Many of the would be Paul supporters never even hear about him from the main stream media, unless they watch the republican debates. Even before there was a 'clear republican nominee' Paul barely got a fraction of the coverage given to the other candidates. I'm not trying to say he is the end-all be-all or that everyone should agree with all of his stances, but he would have faired much better if given fair treatment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #9 March 19, 2008 Quote I don't want to cry 'conspiracy', but it's media coverage. Many of the would be Paul supporters never even hear about him from the main stream media, unless they watch the republican debates. Even before there was a 'clear republican nominee' Paul barely got a fraction of the coverage given to the other candidates. I'm not trying to say he is the end-all be-all or that everyone should agree with all of his stances, but he would have faired much better if given fair treatment. That's very true for candidates on both sides of the aisle. Probably the most obvious example was when Kucinich met the predetermined requirements to participate in the Nevada debate and then General Electric, errrr.....I mean NBC decided to change their own rules and kick him out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #10 March 19, 2008 This is the standard sound and dance from the Libertarians. The media doesn't pay attention. Not the obvious - 1% of the voters doesn't make a very good candidate. He had plenty of publicity, thanks to people like you, and got nowhere. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #11 March 19, 2008 QuoteThis is the standard sound and dance from the Libertarians. The media doesn't pay attention. Not the obvious - 1% of the voters doesn't make a very good candidate. He had plenty of publicity, thanks to people like you, and got nowhere. BS. Most people in this country get their information from the television, not the internet. Big (television) media x'd Ron Paul out from the start. Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zarkon 0 #12 March 19, 2008 QuoteThis is the standard sound and dance from the Libertarians. The media doesn't pay attention. Not the obvious - 1% of the voters doesn't make a very good candidate. He had plenty of publicity, thanks to people like you, and got nowhere. It's more of the chicken or the egg question. Is the lack of media coverage due to him being a long shot candidate, or has his chances of getting the nomination been decreased by the lack of media coverage thus causing him to be a long shot? Did CNN and other major news channels choose to exclude him and say there were only two Republican candidates after Mitt dropped, or was it due to his placement in the national/state polls...which are a complete joke but we'll leave that be for now. He did get some coverage on the campaign contribution records he broke and the protests outside the Fox debates after he was excluded. Those were pretty major events that could not be completely ignored, but were quickly replaced by stories of Hillary shedding a tear or what Borack ate at the diner before a debate. Being that he raised more money in a 24hr period than any other candidate in history, is the most Googled candidate, has the largest meetup groups, receives more money from active duty personnel than all other candidates combined, and has been screaming about the Iraq war and the economy since day one should grant him more coverage which it has not. Hell our rigger who LIVED in Texas didn't even know he was running because he never seen him on the news. And to be fair he has 8%, not 1%. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SivaGanesha 2 #13 March 19, 2008 Quote1/20/09. Can't come soon enough. Let's hope the new president proves to be better than Nixon. I'm not being silly--like Nixon, the new president is going to be inheriting an unpopular war from an unpopular war. Like Nixon, the new president will have greatness within their grasp. Let's hope they do better than Nixon and achieve greatness."It's hard to have fun at 4-way unless your whole team gets down to the ground safely to do it again!"--Northern California Skydiving League re USPA Safety Day, March 8, 2014 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #14 March 19, 2008 With the 3 front runners that you've got.... Pah... Not a shred of greatness there, I don't think. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #15 March 19, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Couldn't agree with you more except there is one good dem/rep candidate IMO, and the news doesn't even acknowledge him. If Ron Paul was such a great guy with so many ardent supporters, why was he gone from the running by January? I don't want to cry 'conspiracy', but it's media coverage. Many of the would be Paul supporters never even hear about him from the main stream media, unless they watch the republican debates. Even before there was a 'clear republican nominee' Paul barely got a fraction of the coverage given to the other candidates. I'm not trying to say he is the end-all be-all or that everyone should agree with all of his stances, but he would have faired much better if given fair treatment. You'd pretty much have to be a Democrat or Republican to get any serious coverage. "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #16 March 19, 2008 the media covers what people want to hear about. The number of people who wanted to hear about Paul is reflected in his primary results. That quickly snowballs, just like it did for guys like Biden. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #18 March 19, 2008 So I went to a rally at the California state capital today. It was an interesting experience. There were only about 50 people there, which is kind of sad when you consider the size of the Sacramento metro area. As I expected they were mostly old hippy types, but there were a few younger faces and a few non-white faces, including a locally well known Latino activist. My only complaint would be with one speaker who let her passion lead her into name calling. Worth my time I think, even if I wasn't going to get a few points in a Cultural Geography class for attending. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #19 March 19, 2008 Well I can spot one of the errors..... there aren't 20 months in a year (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFXpert 0 #20 March 19, 2008 Quote Today's humanitarian crisis in Iraq -- and the potential consequences for our national security -- are great. Can the United States afford to gamble that 4 million or more poor and displaced people, in the heart of Middle East, won't explode in violent desperation, sending the whole region into further disorder? What we cannot afford, in my view, is to squander the progress that has been made. In fact, we should step up our financial and material assistance. UNHCR has appealed for $261 million this year to provide for refugees and internally displaced persons. That is not a small amount of money -- but it is less than the U.S. spends each day to fight the war in Iraq. I would like to call on each of the presidential candidates and congressional leaders to announce a comprehensive refugee plan with a specific timeline and budget as part of their Iraq strategy. As for the question of whether the surge is working, I can only state what I witnessed: U.N. staff and those of non-governmental organizations seem to feel they have the right set of circumstances to attempt to scale up their programs. And when I asked the troops if they wanted to go home as soon as possible, they said that they miss home but feel invested in Iraq. They have lost many friends and want to be a part of the humanitarian progress they now feel is possible. It seems to me that now is the moment to address the humanitarian side of this situation. Without the right support, we could miss an opportunity to do some of the good we always stated we intended to do. From the link I posted. 110% agree! Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #21 March 19, 2008 QuoteQuote Couldn't agree with you more except there is one good dem/rep candidate IMO, and the news doesn't even acknowledge him. If Ron Paul was such a great guy with so many ardent supporters, why was he gone from the running by January? Dude...the media totally picked the candidates in this race it's not even funny. Both sides are getting shafted in this one.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #22 March 19, 2008 Quote Dude...the media totally picked the candidates in this race it's not even funny. Both sides are getting shafted in this one. The media picked McCain and Mormon dad over Guliani? Sorry, you're grossly overstating the media's power. Candidates that don't get votes (or polling), don't get coverage. It's that simple. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #23 March 19, 2008 QuoteSo I went to a rally at the California state capital today. It was an interesting experience. There were only about 50 people there, which is kind of sad when you consider the size of the Sacramento metro area. Do you think many choose to drive instead to SF, to preach to the choir? At least 50 were arrested here, if not many more. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lastchance 0 #24 March 19, 2008 Shoot his pal in the face while tossing back a few drinks AND get away with it. I may be getting old but I got to see all the cool bands. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #25 March 19, 2008 Quotegreat t-shirt HAHAHA!! I need one of those. :) linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
