IF this becomes law...

[akarunway 1]

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> And yet people wonder why somone may become violent towards LEO's

Because you should have the right to drive your bike at 60mph through a school zone?

How about 95 in a 65 on an open highway?

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[akarunway 1]

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Let's say you are breaking the law by operating a motorcycle without a license. There is no issue with that - unless you get caught. A caught cannot pull you over to check the status of your license. A cop CAN, however, pull you over for speeding, unsafe lane change, expired tags, etc. Then the cop finds out you are on a suspended license.
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I have been pulled over by a Metro Nashville cop for a "safety check"

Not to mention sobriety checkpoints.

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[skydyvr 0]

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Let's say you are breaking the law by operating a motorcycle without a license. There is no issue with that - unless you get caught. A caught cannot pull you over to check the status of your license. A cop CAN, however, pull you over for speeding, unsafe lane change, expired tags, etc. Then the cop finds out you are on a suspended license.
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I have been pulled over by a Metro Nashville cop for a "safety check"

Not to mention sobriety checkpoints.

AKA Fourth Amendment Violation Stations.

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[kschilk 0]

For in a car, I thought this one was pretty trick....

http://www.brickhousesecurity.com/car-camera-recorder.html

"T'was ever thus."

[ryoder 1,590]

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For in a car, I thought this one was pretty trick....

http://www.brickhousesecurity.com/car-camera-recorder.html

Now that is interesting! The mounting is easier for a car w/o a rollbar (where I put my camera in the Jeep), and I like the wide-angle lens. But it costs 4 x what my cheapo solution costs.

Did you watch the 2nd video on that page?
Dumbass driving like an idiot and has an accident. Bet he won't be showing that video to the authorities!

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[akarunway 1]

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Let's say you are breaking the law by operating a motorcycle without a license. There is no issue with that - unless you get caught. A caught cannot pull you over to check the status of your license. A cop CAN, however, pull you over for speeding, unsafe lane change, expired tags, etc. Then the cop finds out you are on a suspended license.
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I have been pulled over by a Metro Nashville cop for a "safety check"

Not to mention sobriety checkpoints.

AKA Fourth Amendment Violation Stations.

Yeah. I call em jackboot Nazi checkpoints. Had 25 grand in the glovebox one nite going thru one in Orlando ,Fl. Lucky the media was there and I raised holy hell when they tried to confiscate the money. Had just finished a job at the Altamonte Springs Police Dept. earlier in the week and had cashed a big check. Fuckin pigs wanted their money back I guess. Thieving bastards.

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[kschilk 0]

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For in a car, I thought this one was pretty trick....

http://www.brickhousesecurity.com/car-camera-recorder.html

Now that is interesting! The mounting is easier for a car w/o a rollbar (where I put my camera in the Jeep), and I like the wide-angle lens. But it costs 4 x what my cheapo solution costs.

Did you watch the 2nd video on that page?
Dumbass driving like an idiot and has an accident. Bet he won't be showing that video to the authorities!

Yeah, the auto-on is a double-edged sword. I'd thiink that could be adapted to motorcycles, too.

"T'was ever thus."

[BillyVance 34]

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Let's say you are breaking the law by operating a motorcycle without a license. There is no issue with that - unless you get caught. A caught cannot pull you over to check the status of your license. A cop CAN, however, pull you over for speeding, unsafe lane change, expired tags, etc. Then the cop finds out you are on a suspended license.
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I have been pulled over by a Metro Nashville cop for a "safety check"

Not to mention sobriety checkpoints.

AKA Fourth Amendment Violation Stations.

How are they Fourth Amendment Violations? Invasion of privacy? Somehow the rules are different out on the roads than they are at home. If they bust some drunks driving, then they made the roads safer and possibly prevented some deaths. If they catch stuff on other drivers like expired driver's license, expired tag, or no insurance, well then that's the drivers' fault for not following the law. I happened to be riding with a friend to the DZ years ago and we came up on a checkpoint. He looked pissed and I asked why, he said he hadn't renewed his tag. Sure enough they gave him a ticket. It happened to me as well, but not at a checkpoint like that. I was driving home in my hometown, making a left turn onto my street and the local cop was sitting in his car off the street across from where I turned. He noticed my tag was expired just from the color sticker in the corner, chased me down a block later and gave me a ticket for that.

"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban

[billvon 2,990]

>AKA Fourth Amendment Violation Stations.

You agreed to them when you got your license. That was the time to complain about it.

[warpedskydiver 0]

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> And yet people wonder why somone may become violent towards LEO's

Because you should have the right to drive your bike at 60mph through a school zone?

WTF are you talking about?

That makes no sense at all, and in fact is a false assertion.

[billvon 2,990]

>WTF are you talking about?

Your silly suggestion that someone who becomes violent towards a cop would have a good reason for doing so.

[skydyvr 0]

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How are they Fourth Amendment Violations?

I just disagree with the whole concept that there is no privacy in your vehicle, and that driving is a "privledge" as we are constantly reminded. Why does the fact that I climbed into my car or onto my bike suddenly remove my right to privacy? It shouldn't. What's next, "let me see your papers" as I walk down the street?

I believe driving on the roads WE pay for should be a lawful "right" until it's proven WE need it taken away. I know we need laws to protect our safety, but the line got crossed a long time ago, and doesb't mean driving should be a "privledge". The whole window tinting debate is a pisser too.

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[skydyvr 0]

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>AKA Fourth Amendment Violation Stations.

You agreed to them when you got your license. That was the time to complain about it.

It's more fun to vent here than down at the DMV, though I realize complaing at either location is useless.

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[Zee 0]

All this new law is going to accomplish is to increase the number of high speed chases, period. Much like someone already said, if I already know I'm going to the slammer and my $20,000 Ducati is going on the auction block, there is no way in hell I'm pulling over. Reckless Driving is way too subjective....

I was given a reckless op ticket going 45 in a 65. Heavy traffic, some dumb bitch yakkin on the cell phone moved in to my lane and pushed me out in the median. A cop sitting way up the highway (directly in front of a semi no less) claimed she saw me pass the bitch in the median. All I did was move out of the way so I didn't get run over.

I got it dismissed, but, would I have been able to get it dismissed if the court knew it could make an easy $20,000 by selling my bike??? I highly doubt it.

I don't understand how this law can be constitutional to begin with considering that the punishment will be different for each individual. One guy gets busted and it costs him a $14.00 1973 Pinto while another gets busted for the exact same thing but it costs him a $200,000 Bentley.........

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[kelpdiver 2]

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>AKA Fourth Amendment Violation Stations.

You agreed to them when you got your license. That was the time to complain about it.

No, in California you agreed to a breath or blood alcohol test when arrested for suspicion of drunk driving.

There are no suspicions (directly specifically towards you) that are present in the stopping of 'random' cars at a checkpoint on a holiday weekend. And how did they get into AK's glove compartment?

Checkpoints are supposed to have signage giving drivers the opportunity to turn off, but it would seem that any driver doing so is under even greater scrutiny for any PC to stop the vehicle.

The argument for them is the social good. Of course, that argument gets abused a lot. Be interested to know if their efficacy holds up to scrutiny. Apparently red light cameras have not in some studies, though I cannot say if these were NMA versions of Big Tobacco researching cancer.

[g_fun 0]

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I have no issue with the law other than it should be acrosss the board.
30mph or more over the limit and forfeit your veer-hich-ile

There's a discussion on this law in a Florida sportbike forum. According to one of the posters who's been communicating with the representative trying to pass the law:

"The law now sites as ALL vehicles not just motorcycles...

It is now gone up from 30 to 50 mph...

And it is now a 3 strike rule
1st offense is a $1k fine
2nd offense is a $2500 fine
3rd offense is when you'd lose your license and go to jail"

http://www.soflasportbikes.com/forum/general-motorcycle-discussion/115195-looks-like-cantera-s-law-passed-effect-oct-1st-4.html#post746524

How can I be so thirsty when I drank so much last night?

[whatthehell 0]

Checkpoints are supposed to have signage giving drivers the opportunity to turn off, but it would seem that any driver doing so is under even greater scrutiny for any PC to stop the vehicle.
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On I40 in Tennessee they had a sign saying "Sobriety Checkpoint Ahead". Many cars chose to avoid the checkpoint by getting off at the next exit. The checkpoint was at the bottom of the ramp. Doe!

[BillyVance 34]

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Checkpoints are supposed to have signage giving drivers the opportunity to turn off, but it would seem that any driver doing so is under even greater scrutiny for any PC to stop the vehicle.
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On I40 in Tennessee they had a sign saying "Sobriety Checkpoint Ahead". Many cars chose to avoid the checkpoint by getting off at the next exit. The checkpoint was at the bottom of the ramp. Doe!

That's pretty sneaky all right.

"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban

[Nightingale 0]

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Not to mention sobriety checkpoints.

AKA Fourth Amendment Violation Stations.

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Let's say you are breaking the law by operating a motorcycle without a license. There is no issue with that - unless you get caught. A caught cannot pull you over to check the status of your license. A cop CAN, however, pull you over for speeding, unsafe lane change, expired tags, etc. Then the cop finds out you are on a suspended license.
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I have been pulled over by a Metro Nashville cop for a "safety check"

Not to mention sobriety checkpoints.

AKA Fourth Amendment Violation Stations.

If'n yaint broke no lores, y'ain't got nuffink to hide

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[skydyvr 0]

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Not to mention sobriety checkpoints.

AKA Fourth Amendment Violation Stations.

I just drive around the checkpoints. I don't like sitting in traffic.

[skydyvr 0]

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If'n yaint broke no lores, y'ain't got nuffink to hide

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[Nightingale 0]

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Aren't you a lawyer, or on the way to being one? Got an opinion on the unreasonable search and seizure aspects of either checkpoints or the proposed motorcycle law?

Every checkpoint I've ever seen had you bottled in before you knew it was there.

I don't know enough about the motorcycle law to offer an opinion.

This is my personal opinion. Do not take it as legal advice: With regards to the sobriety checkpoints, personally, I think they're a violation of the 4th amendment (and the justices in the Michigan v. Sitz case pretty much admitted that a checkpoint was a seizure but decided they were going to overlook it!). That's why I avoid them even though I never drink and drive. I'll make a legal turn into a shopping center, gas station, or driveway, and turn around. I have never found myself so bottled in that I couldn't get out.

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Do not take it as legal advice: With regards to the sobriety checkpoints, personally, I think they're a violation of the 4th amendment (and the justices in the Michigan v. Sitz case pretty much admitted that a checkpoint was a seizure but decided they were going to overlook it!).

Thanks. It's frustrating that stuff like that happens, and I'm sad that we LET it happen.

America, home of the free? Not anymore.

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[Darius11 12]

This Law makes the decision making process much much easyer. Don't pull over. It is simply not fair to lose a $20,000 bike for going 30mph over the limit.

Cops lie they do it all the time and the judge always takes there side. Fuck they get away with shooting people 42 times you think the judge is going to be fair?

Laws are so we have ajust place to live and to me justice is about being fair. This is just bullshit

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain