I hope this law makes it...

[SpeedRacer 1]

what I wonder is: do these kids ACTUALLY, PERSONALLY think it looks good to wear baggy pants sliding halfway down their ass, compared to pants that fit?

Or do they KNOW it looks stupid, but there's some other motivation for doing it?

What is really going on in their minds when they decide to dress like a sack of laundry?

edited to add: when I was that age, I would've gotten laughed off the street if I'd walked around with pants sliding down & my undies showing.

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In 1960, I was tossed out of school because my hair was too short! My mom, used to cut my dad's and my hair and we both wore flat-tops. Well, Mom 'messed-up' and tried to 'fix' it. The end result was a short 'burr'. When I walked into class, all the kids about busted a gut laughing. I got sent home... via the principal's office. Dad got me back in school, the next day after discussing the matter with the principal.


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I agree; it's one of the most monumentally stupid-looking fashions ever. I asked him why he wore his pants like that (yes, he had to hold them up to run). He said they were comfortable that way. I think that translates to "whatever I can say that'll get you off my back."

The closest I can think of are zoot suits of the 30's and 40's; they were pretty stupid-looking.

Of course, the hiphugger bell bottoms I wore in high school were way cool. As were, I'm sure, the leg warmers and torn sweatshirts that girls wore in the 80's . And all that great hair. Let's not forget mullets.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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what I wonder is: do these kids ACTUALLY, PERSONALLY think it looks good to wear baggy pants sliding halfway down their ass, compared to pants that fit.

I've asked that very question to numerous kids and invariably recieved the same answer: "I don't know", followed by a shit eating grin.

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Or do they KNOW it looks stupid, but there's some other motivation for doing it?

Well, it seems to be a rather controversial subject, so I'm thinking that might be part of the motivation. (Being rebellious?)

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Or do they KNOW it looks stupid, but there's some other motivation for doing it?

Well, it seems to be a rather controversial subject, so I'm thinking that might be part of the motivation. (Being rebellious?)

Bingo!

Every generation of teenagers struggles to create their own identity by seeking out fashions/styles that shock the older generation.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[billvon 2,991]

> do these kids ACTUALLY, PERSONALLY think it looks good . . .

I think it's more that they see that you ACTUALLY, PERSONALLY don't get it - and that's all they need to think of it as high fashion. No different than any other rebellious fashion out there. (Do people really think that 6" holes in their ears look good?)

[SpeedRacer 1]

during the 60s & 70s the older generation raised a stink about the younger generation's men wearing their hair long.

But there was at least a precedent for that: In many times of history & in many cultures men did wear their hair long. The 60s & 70s young generation ACTUALLY DID think it looked good. they didn't do it JUST to be rebellious, although there may have also been an element of that.

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during the 60s & 70s the older generation raised a stink about the younger generation's men wearing their hair long.

But there was at least a precedent for that: In many times of history & in many cultures men did wear their hair long. The 60s & 70s young generation ACTUALLY DID think it looked good. they didn't do it JUST to be rebellious, although there may have also been an element of that.

I think the short-cropped hairstyles of the 50's were an aberration caused by most of the men of that era being ex-military, so the military look was the approved style of the time, (along with all men wearing indistinguishable suits and hats). So the easy thing for the next generation was to go with longer hair (since they couldn't go much shorter).

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

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Allow corporal punishment by parents.

While I dont disagree with this I think its close minded to think that because less parents spank that it correlates with todays world. CP is not an end all be all to discipline and often there are more effective ways to correct. Spanking should be left to the adults.

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Rescind "zero tolerance" school laws.

Please elaborate? In what terms?

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Involve parents directly in any disciplinary actions.

Not sure about in other places but that is par for the course here. Although the school mostly tells a parent what they are going to do to punish a child, I personally have fought it twice and once I won. I refused to allow my child to attend ISS. Thats a whole other thread.

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Require their direct intervention with problem students.

Thats up to perception, what one parents feel acceptable the school may not. For example, my children cant wear baggy clothes, cutoffs, and any type of bandanna, yet many times I go to get them and literally the little girls will be wearing skirts so short when they run on the play ground I can see the under garmets. I personally think that is a bigger issue then wearing big clothing.

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Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this

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Dumb as shit to make this a law. Make it an administrative rule. Easier to pass, harder to challenge afterwards.

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(Do people really think that 6" holes in their ears look good?)

Only on blonde chicks. Gives them a place to hook their ankles.

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>CP is not an end all be all to discipline and often there are more effective ways to correct.

I agree 100%. It's not the best way to discipline by a long shot. But that should be the parent's decision, not a court's (provided there's no abuse, of course.)

>Please elaborate? In what terms?

i.e. if a school has a "zero tolerance no weapons" policy, and someone shows up with a Leatherman pair of pliers, he should not be expelled.

>Thats up to perception, what one parents feel acceptable the school may not.

I agree. And the parents MUST be involved enough to know what the kids are doing, so they can make the call on whether or not it is indeed acceptable in their family.

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My biggest problem with it, is the vast majority of older teens and young adults who dress that way, have the "gangsta" attitude and are the ones you see on the nightly news for breaking laws.

I don't see any connection between dressing and behavior.
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Whats wrong with dressing respectfully? I know my ideas of respectful dress vary from others ideas, but I seriously doubt anyone thinks someone dressed with their ass hanging out of their britches is dressing respectfully.

It is hard to define "respectful". A honourable Saudi Arabi guy would probably say that since your face is not covered, you're in no way dressing respectfully. From other side, comparing to most European cities, many Americans (especially women) are dressed WAY too conservatively. And I wouldn't care about the people whose respect of anyone is based on what they dress in.

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I agree 100%. It's not the best way to discipline by a long shot. But that should be the parent's decision, not a court's (provided there's no abuse, of course.)

I kinda figured that is where you stood, and I agree, sadly I know that realistically not all parents know where the line is between spanking and abuse, and so its clear to me that the laws error on the side of protection. CP is still legal here and even in the schools, however I think that the schools choose to not actually impliment that power.

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i.e. if a school has a "zero tolerance no weapons" policy, and someone shows up with a Leatherman pair of pliers, he should not be expelled.

Thats been since 911, technicually a child cant even draw a weapon in schools. I think I see what you mean about taking away the zero tolerance, but then who draws the lines? The govt or the schools?

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I agree. And the parents MUST be involved enough to know what the kids are doing, so they can make the call on whether or not it is indeed acceptable in their family.

Thats where the problem is, parents are oblivous to the wrong doings of the kid, instead they look for excuses as to why the child behaved that way, hell Ive done that with my own on a few occasions. Its a parents job to raise the child to be accountable for the actions they take and in some cases the inaction. Personally I think dress codes have thier place in schools but not because my child has a higher chance of becoming a punk if they see others with baggy pants. If my child wanted to wear loose clothes and that was my biggest battle as a parent Id be thrilled. Heck in summer its always possible my boys sport mohawks or green hair, its just them having fun or being what they want or think they want and as long as it does not infringe on the rules Im all for it.

All in all its not a govt issue, it should barely be a school issue but the last thing needed is more rules about how to "fit into society" not all of us want to fit in.

Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this
Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this

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Allow corporal punishment by parents.

While I dont disagree with this I think its close minded to think that because less parents spank that it correlates with todays world. CP is not an end all be all to discipline and often there are more effective ways to correct. Spanking should be left to the adults.

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Rescind "zero tolerance" school laws.

Please elaborate? In what terms?

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Involve parents directly in any disciplinary actions.

Not sure about in other places but that is par for the course here. Although the school mostly tells a parent what they are going to do to punish a child, I personally have fought it twice and once I won. I refused to allow my child to attend ISS. Thats a whole other thread.

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Require their direct intervention with problem students.

Thats up to perception, what one parents feel acceptable the school may not. For example, my children cant wear baggy clothes, cutoffs, and any type of bandanna, yet many times I go to get them and literally the little girls will be wearing skirts so short when they run on the play ground I can see the under garmets. I personally think that is a bigger issue then wearing big clothing.

That's a bit of a contrast to this post of yours:
http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2852752;search_string=towel;#2852752

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Let's not forget mullets.

Actually, let's *do* forget mullets...

Business up front, party in the back....idiot all over!!!!

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Or do they KNOW it looks stupid, but there's some other motivation for doing it?

Well, it seems to be a rather controversial subject, so I'm thinking that might be part of the motivation. (Being rebellious?)

Bingo!

Every generation of teenagers struggles to create their own identity by seeking out fashions/styles that shock the older generation.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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No bad dress sense when we were kids......

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

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Vyvyan!!!

that show was funny!!

[shropshire 0]

T'was too

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[lisamariewillbe 1]

You must have alot of time on your hands to find a post from two years ago of mine... and I see no contrast in my opinions I wrote...I actually see no corralation. If you wish to spark a debate about the jokes I find funny this would not be the thread as it is about a law on how kids dress.

Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this
Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this

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You must have alot of time on your hands to find a post from two years ago of mine... and I see no contrast in my opinions I wrote...I actually see no corralation. If you wish to spark a debate about the jokes I find funny this would not be the thread as it is about a law on how kids dress.

6/18/07 isn't even a year ago when you felt it'd be funny to dress your kids as a pilot and a "towel head". What is that teaching them?

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[lisamariewillbe 1]

Ummmm lets see when I had "THOUGHT" of doing it my boys were 2 and 3 and it was a THOUGHT... not an action, what a person thinks and what they do is not the same nor does it have anything to do with this thread. If youd like to persue this start a new thread about what people find funny.

As far as what I teach my kids, well youve not met my children, youve not had that pleasure but they are who they are because I give them the freedom to choose who they are as long as it doesnt break any rules or laws if you have a problem with that I suggest you have your own children so you can corral them and force them to be who you want them to be. Have a good day I will no longer go off topic with you on this matter.

Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this
Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this

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Ummmm lets see when I had "THOUGHT" of doing it my boys were 2 and 3 and it was a THOUGHT... not an action, what a person thinks and what they do is not the same nor does it have anything to do with this thread. If youd like to persue this start a new thread about what people find funny.

As far as what I teach my kids, well youve not met my children, youve not had that pleasure but they are who they are because I give them the freedom to choose who they are as long as it doesnt break any rules or laws if you have a problem with that I suggest you have your own children so you can corral them and force them to be who you want them to be. Have a good day I will no longer go off topic with you on this matter.

Had you let your children out wearing those outfits, you surely would have wound up in front of a judge and on the cover of every paper in town.

Not too many find terrorism, ethnic bigotry, and setting children up for ridicule is funny.~~April

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