mnealtx 0 #26 April 10, 2008 Quote>Not very soon, just more likely to be killed, raped, robbed, or assaulted >when criminals think their victims are more likely to be unarmed. Well, that's not true. Female gun owners are twice as likely as the rest of the population to be killed by a gun. Male gun owners are 16 percent _less_ likely to be shot, but the average still shows that owning a gun makes it more likely that you will be shot. ok... (photo courtesy of Oleg VolkMike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,066 #27 April 10, 2008 >I expect the bulk of those in your unattributed stat are suicides. I suspect the bulk actually come from criminals who own guns. They're more likely to be killed than non-criminals. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,066 #28 April 10, 2008 >ok... (photo courtesy of Oleg Volk ========== A murder trial has heard how an elderly woman who lived alone with an arsenal of weapons was shot dead by a burglar with her own gun. Mildred Hope-Baldwin, 81, grabbed a pistol when she was confronted by the "out of control" heroin addict in her bungalow in Kegworth, Leicestershire, a court was told on Monday. Following a desperate struggle, 21-year-old Stephen Burgess managed to overpower the spinster and shot her in the chest, a jury at Nottingham Crown Court heard. ========== oops. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #29 April 10, 2008 QuoteEast Valley Tribune, Scottsdale, AZ, 3/25/08 State: AZ American Rifleman Issue: 3/25/2008 An elderly Scottsdale, AZ woman was still recovering from a break-in late Thursday night by an intruder who demanded money and threatened to set fire to her garage, when the same intruder turned up early Saturday morning. When the 78-year-old woman heard him breaking into her house for the second time, she grabbed her handgun and fired two shots, scaring him away. Police caught up with the uninjured intruder and took him into custody QuoteThe Record, West Paterson, NJ, 09/26/07 State: TX American Rifleman Issue: 1/1/2008 Returning home to find a man rooting around in her living room, a 22-year-old woman quickly fled to the bedroom. She locked the door behind her and obtained her husband's handgun and ammunition. According to authorities, the young woman fled to an adjacent bathroom and turned the door's lock while the intruder forcefully entered the bedroom. She quickly loaded her husband's gun and, when the intruder began pounding on the bathroom door, she fired a single shot. Upon realizing his intended victim was armed, the once-brazen thug fled the home. QuoteThe Town Talk, Alexandria, LA, 6/1/07 State: LA American Rifleman Issue: 8/1/2007 Upon having her ex-boyfriend charged with domestic violence and stalking, a woman began carrying a firearm for protection. According to police, her next encounter with the violent ex-boyfriend occurred at a store, where the man "threatened great bodily harm." The woman reported the threats to police, and they followed her home to be sure the man wasn't there. Officers searched inside the home, and found nothing suspicious -- but they didn't check under the porch. When police left, the ex-boyfriend burst from under the home. The woman shot at him, but she missed and fled inside. Minutes later the ex-boyfriend broke down the back door and rushed at the woman, who shot her assailant twice. He was found hiding in a nearby garage by police. QuoteThe State, Columbia, SC, 01/17/07 State: SC American Rifleman Issue: 4/1/2007 Police say a man and a woman were getting into their car outside a Wal-Mart when an attacker shoved a pistol into the man's stomach and demanded the keys. The woman pulled a pistol from the glove box and fired five shots at the carjacker, who dropped his pistol and ran away. He was arrested at a hospital where he sought treatment for a gunshot wound."We're kind of hailing (the man and woman) as heroes," said Richland County, S.C., Sheriff Leon Lott. The suspect stands accused of committing nine additional armed robberies in less than a month. Oops, indeed.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,066 #30 April 10, 2008 ======== A Virginia judge has dismissed charges today against a young woman who shot herself in order to kill her unborn child in a case that has angered anti-abortion activists. ======== NEW ORLEANS — A vagrant wanted for questioning in a rape overpowered a 24-year-old police officer who was trying to handcuff him, then shot her to death with her own weapon Monday, police said. ======== FERNANDINA BEACH - Handcuffed but still armed with a handgun she had slipped from a bedside table and past arresting officers, a belligerent Jean Jesse squirmed in the back seat of a patrol car until the gun went off, blasting a round through her belly and into the steel seatback of the Nassau County cruiser. ======== Medical Examiner Dr. Frank King told a Criminal Court jury on Thursday afternoon that Officer Julie Jacks was shot multiple times, but the fatal wound went in at the back of the head. . . . Officer Jacks was killed at the corner of Vine and Kilmer near Parkridge Hospital after being shot with her own gun on May 6, 2002. ======= Prosecutors in the so-called "Lawn Mower Man" capital murder trial painted contrasting pictures of accused killer Ronny Joe Neal, and popular teacher Diane Tilly who was robbed, raped and shot to death with her her own gun, at her home, in November of 2004. ======= One wonders why Diane Tilly's gun didn't function as the nearly-magical shield some gun proponents seem to believe in. But as Kallend says, data is not the plural of anecdote. You'd have to do a study on this to see what's really going on - which is what the New England Journal of Medicine did. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #31 April 10, 2008 "Lies, damn lies and statistics" Yes, some people consider a gun to be some sort of magic talisman - those are the people that will not have the will to pull the trigger when the time comes. The opposite is also true - guess which one makes the papers?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,066 #32 April 10, 2008 >The opposite is also true - guess which one makes the papers? A quick Google search will reveal that both do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #33 April 10, 2008 Quote>I expect the bulk of those in your unattributed stat are suicides. I suspect the bulk actually come from criminals who own guns. They're more likely to be killed than non-criminals. Think that one through a bit more. How many violent women criminals do we have in America, and how many of them get killed? The reason (if the still unattributed citation is true) that women with guns are more likely to be killed is because they bought the guns to deal with stalker men or to kill themselves. It sure as hell isn't because they are criminals. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 848 #34 April 10, 2008 Quite entertaining. Not one seems to be a responsible, CWP holder. Those are the exact type of headlines that induce the fear we see on this site. Suck it up cupcakes, guns are here to stay. Quit bitching and help find a way to keep them out of the hands of the idiots - while maintaining a decent citizen's ability to own and carry. I'm not advocating taking your cars because others kill with them! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #35 April 10, 2008 What really sucks, is that, in an odd trade irregularity, Florida is now recently receiving a lot of imports of British samarai swords. But do you think you can wear one to work yet? NOOOOO ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 848 #36 April 10, 2008 but if you have a CWP, you can at least stuff one down your drawers.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #37 April 10, 2008 QuoteWhat a bunch of loonies....why? just why? Something to do with having a good consitiution, personally I just drink Yalkult and eat lots of veg.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #38 April 10, 2008 Quote Quote What a bunch of loonies....why? just why? Something to do with having a good consitiution, personally I just drink Yalkult and eat lots of veg. Some folks just need more fibre in their diet and less red meat, I guess. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyPiggie 0 #39 April 10, 2008 QuoteFemale gun owners are twice as likely as the rest of the population to be killed by a gun. Male gun owners are 16 percent _less_ likely to be shot, but the average still shows that owning a gun makes it more likely that you will be shot. Name your source for this info. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #40 April 10, 2008 QuoteQuoteFemale gun owners are twice as likely as the rest of the population to be killed by a gun. Male gun owners are 16 percent _less_ likely to be shot, but the average still shows that owning a gun makes it more likely that you will be shot. Name your source for this info. Probably the same NEJM study that tries to equate guns to an "epidemic"... still waiting on the Koch postulate proofs on THAT, too.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #41 April 10, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote What a bunch of loonies....why? just why? Just a step further toward fostering a "polite society". Right, so polite that it already has the highest homicide rate among "first world" nations. Florida is a nation???? Doesn't matter what you call Florida, it STILL has a higher homicide rate than any 1st world nation, including the USA as a whole. As does Texas.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #42 April 10, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote What a bunch of loonies....why? just why? Just a step further toward fostering a "polite society". Right, so polite that it already has the highest homicide rate among "first world" nations. Florida is a nation???? Doesn't matter what you call Florida, it STILL has a higher homicide rate than any 1st world nation, including the USA as a whole. As does Texas. Guess I should be suprised you did not respond to the point"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #43 April 10, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Not very soon, just more likely to be killed, raped, robbed, or assaulted when criminals think their victims are more likely to be unarmed. . and yet i have managed to get to 45 yo withot ever having been , killed or raped or robbed or assaulted Me too. And another 17 years on top of that.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #44 April 10, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote What a bunch of loonies....why? just why? Just a step further toward fostering a "polite society". Right, so polite that it already has the highest homicide rate among "first world" nations. Florida is a nation???? Doesn't matter what you call Florida, it STILL has a higher homicide rate than any 1st world nation, including the USA as a whole. As does Texas. Guess I should be suprised you did not respond to the point You don't have any point wrth responding to. So this is NOT a response.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #45 April 10, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote What a bunch of loonies....why? just why? Just a step further toward fostering a "polite society". Right, so polite that it already has the highest homicide rate among "first world" nations. Florida is a nation???? Doesn't matter what you call Florida, it STILL has a higher homicide rate than any 1st world nation, including the USA as a whole. As does Texas. Guess I should be suprised you did not respond to the point You don't have any point wrth responding to. So this is NOT a response. On this subject it would be be "pointless" to try and make any point with you, hense the jabs"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,066 #46 April 10, 2008 >Name your source for this info. New England Journal of Medicine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #47 April 10, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote What a bunch of loonies....why? just why? Just a step further toward fostering a "polite society". Right, so polite that it already has the highest homicide rate among "first world" nations. Florida is a nation???? Doesn't matter what you call Florida, it STILL has a higher homicide rate than any 1st world nation, including the USA as a whole. As does Texas. And it STILL can't be proved it was because of the guns.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyPiggie 0 #48 April 11, 2008 Quote>Name your source for this info. New England Journal of Medicine. Provide a link to the source from which you got your quote. Are you trying to hide something again, like you attempted to do with your claim about the popularity of Molson beer in America? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
packerboy 3 #49 April 11, 2008 Pulling a gun on someone with a gun is more likely to get you shot than anything else. Period. If someone surprises you with a gun, you are better off not having one to go for, unless you are some kind of friggen Jesse James. My humble no gun-carrying nation opinion. Please don't shoot me. -------------------------------------------------- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #50 April 11, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote What a bunch of loonies....why? just why? Just a step further toward fostering a "polite society". Right, so polite that it already has the highest homicide rate among "first world" nations. Florida is a nation???? Doesn't matter what you call Florida, it STILL has a higher homicide rate than any 1st world nation, including the USA as a whole. As does Texas. And it STILL can't be proved it was because of the guns. There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.\ Of course, the "polite society" comment can still be true if we define shooting someone to be "polite".... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
