Obama's Comments

[kelpdiver 2]

yep, I'm in group 2.

I think he should have had another complete senate term to qualify himself for the White House, but given the other two, it's an easy call. If he sucks, he'll be a one termer and hopefully we'll get better choices next time.

As much as I try to temper it, I am an elitist, so I can't be too upset about it.

[rushmc 23]

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Obama's comment were insulting to me. Gun and religion? He is out of touch with this country as all of those who spend too much time in DC are.

Ever been to Pennsylvania? ...or southern Ohio...West Virginia? I don't think he's far off the mark.

Yes, jobs have gone but, many news ones have sprung up. Small business are the heart and soul of "most" of the heart land and they have learned to use the Walmarts and Sams Clubs purchasing power to help them (small businesses) survive.

I'm also a small businessperson (is there anything else anymore?) But I don't make anything...I provide a service. What should I do when my clients can't afford the services I provide anymore?

There are things I miss and things I for one am glad are gone.

Details please

I am not aint trade but I am anti gov regulated trade. Is there any other kind? I am not anti immigrant but I am it has to be done leagally and for christ sakes secure the border. Immigrants either become part of a countries culter or, that country will be destroyed.

Welcome to Amerika, or should we say Los Estates Unis?

In a nut shell, Obama is an eletist arrogant biggoted ass. And he proved it in that speach

I'm not so sure about that. I'm not a supporter but I believe he spoke the truth and now he's getting hammered for it. Just like I would be if I said what I really wanted to say. I could be charge with a hate crime.

Thanks again for your reply YW

Eddited to add: The PC crowd is as much a danger to this country as immigration, most likely more so

Where do you think PC came from? Heaven forbid we insult anyone.

You and I? Not far apart me thinks

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[likearock 2]

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yep, I'm in group 2.

I think he should have had another complete senate term to qualify himself for the White House, but given the other two, it's an easy call. If he sucks, he'll be a one termer and hopefully we'll get better choices next time.

As much as I try to temper it, I am an elitist, so I can't be too upset about it.

What about the Rev Wright situation? Did that never concern you at all?

[rushmc 23]

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Obama did tell the truth with his comments. It's not a pleasant truth, and one we'd all like to see be different, but that really is the reality. I spent most of my life in small town Pennsylvania in a blue collar family with blue collar friends, only the last few years I've been more upper middle class in income, but I still have the same friends and neighbors as I did before.

Latrobe, PA from 1982-1992, New Wilmington PA from 1992-1996, Phila from 1996-1999 (Ok, not small town, but I lived in a ghetto, and the sentiments were the same, just the people that held them were a different color), Elizabethtown from 1999-2007, Newport for the last month. So I've been in small towns in PA for 26 years all over the state. He's dead on the mark with his comments.

Truth? No, not really. His "perspective"? Maybe.

On the mark? No, not even close.

PA is not the only mid americal place. His blanket statement was eletist and arogant. That is my opinion. I am allowed but I like the differnt perspectives posted here

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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How is what he said any different than when McCain told the truth in Michigan - "The jobs aren't coming back" to those who wanted to hear something else. As one who lives in a piece of the "heartland," Obama told the truth, but he should have elaborated on anti-"illegal" immigrants, rather than just anti-immigrants cause that part just isn't true. Hillary subsequently states, "They need a president who stands up for them, who fights for them, who works hard for your futures, your jobs, your families." IMO, empty rhetoric and rainbow promises. What's her plan?

Ok, I am not talking about the jobs. I am talking about his religion and gun bull shit.

And just what exactly does "stand up for them' or "fight for them" mean?

I am not sure I understand where you are coming from. Sorry

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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What do you all think?

TRUTH hurts.

Ya, like you have any fucking idea what the truth is

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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Yet another case of a closely-watched candidate slipping up & speaking like a human instead of like a politician. & then his opponents jump on him for being un-PC.

Hmm, looks more like a polition playing for donations to me. You know, in his eletist rich crowd

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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CMon dude! He was talking to a bunch of wealthy folks at a fundraiser. Those silly, frustrated poor people weren't supposed to hear his remarks. Damn right wing media.

It's an obamanation.

Or is the Huffington Post right wing?

Well the Huffingtons are Republicans aren't they?

ah, who did she support in the last election?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

His speach was a dam joke. History will show that

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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The biggest problem as I see it is in conjunction with the Wright mess. How can Obama talk about white frustration leading them to "cling to guns and religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them", while at the same time not seeing that you can say much the same thing (except for the guns part) about the congregation at the Wright church? It's a double standard that I'm surprised the media hasn't picked up on.

This was a bad gaffe by Obama and it will continue to hurt him until he addresses it directly, probably with an apology.

I agree. The scary part for me (and this is why I call him arrogant and out of touch) is he beleves it.

The US is not as biggoted as he seems to believe. dam, I could go on here but what the point.....

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,030]

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His speach was a dam joke.

The Pope, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem and the Dalai Lama were walking across a dam when they saw a man walking across the lake towards them...

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[rushmc 23]

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Open question to all:

Did this remark really bother anything that didn't already have zero intention of voting for him? I wonder how many people fall outside the two camps:Bother me? ya, a little. Do I really care? no not one bit. He is allowed to have his opinion but, as someone running for pres we (all) have the right to discuss, debate, condem and judge in our own minds what the hell he was trying to say and acomplish by saying it. Comes with the territory. This is no different for McCain or anybody else. Those trying to po po this and push it away would seem to me to be the ones who have made up their minds already

1) voting McCain all the way, see these remarks as proof this guy is a loonI will be voting for McCain given the choices but for me, he would be up for the same if he had said something so stupid and arrogant

2) voting Obama over the retreads, couldn't give a shit about the remark.See above

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The funniest part is the reaction from the Clinton camp that this is proof that she will better represent America. Even before her husband made 80M on the retirement circuit, she was hardly the working class rep, dating back to the cookies remark in 1992.Point well made. We as a people of the US are dammed either way in my mind

I don't see any votes changing as a result.

Maybe

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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His speach was a dam joke.

The Pope, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem and the Dalai Lama were walking across a dam when they saw a man walking across the lake towards them...

Neck getting sore?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[likearock 2]

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The biggest problem as I see it is in conjunction with the Wright mess. How can Obama talk about white frustration leading them to "cling to guns and religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them", while at the same time not seeing that you can say much the same thing (except for the guns part) about the congregation at the Wright church? It's a double standard that I'm surprised the media hasn't picked up on.

This was a bad gaffe by Obama and it will continue to hurt him until he addresses it directly, probably with an apology.

I agree. The scary part for me (and this is why I call him arrogant and out of touch) is he beleves it.

I don't think we do agree actually. You see I do see a lot of truth in what he said. In spite of that, it was a serious political gaffe that will hurt him among independents.

There are many people, white and black, who take out their frustrations in bigotry and hatred. We've seen that bigotry in the Wright tapes, and I'm not just talking about Wright himself, but also how enthusiastically the congregation embraced those sentiments. And a very similar thing is going on among whites, especially those with a stronger reason to be frustrated.

Now if Obama could start a dialog about both these types of bigotry...

[rushmc 23]

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The biggest problem as I see it is in conjunction with the Wright mess. How can Obama talk about white frustration leading them to "cling to guns and religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them", while at the same time not seeing that you can say much the same thing (except for the guns part) about the congregation at the Wright church? It's a double standard that I'm surprised the media hasn't picked up on.

This was a bad gaffe by Obama and it will continue to hurt him until he addresses it directly, probably with an apology.

I agree. The scary part for me (and this is why I call him arrogant and out of touch) is he beleves it.

I don't think we do agree actually. You see I do see a lot of truth in what he said. In spite of that, it was a serious political gaffe that will hurt him among independents.

There are many people, white and black, who take out their frustrations in bigotry and hatred. We've seen that bigotry in the Wright tapes, and I'm not just talking about Wright himself, but also how enthusiastically the congregation embraced those sentiments. And a very similar thing is going on among whites, especially those with a stronger reason to be frustrated.

Now if Obama could start a dialog about both these types of bigotry...

Not where I live or I am just self blinded.

I do not believe this crap is the what the majority believe. Are those that do? Ya, majority? No

Most Americans are not part of and do not believe the bs Obama just spewed IMO. I dont so, if I am wrong it is because of my beliefs and my current and past situations in my life support it.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

Regardless of what you think, these are the kind of statements and positions that push MORE governemnt control. I believe if you are for freedoms you can not supprt these types of positions unles you are communist.

http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN1131749320080411?feedType=RSS&feedName=politicsNews&rpc=22&sp=true

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[n23x 0]

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...you are communist.

What the fuck, is the MC short for McCarthy?

Keep writing this shit Marc; seriously, it is more entertaining than what's on tv.

.jim

"Don't touch my fucking Easter eggs, I'll be back monday." ~JTFC

[rushmc 23]

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...you are communist.

What the fuck, is the MC short for McCarthy?

Keep writing this shit Marc; seriously, it is more entertaining than what's on tv.

.jim

Feeling threatened that maybe this position will by outed?

FYI The definition of comunisim is government control. Sorry I exposed your guy

I await you next PA

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jcd11235 0]

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FYI The definition of comunisim is government control.

You may want to consider refining your definition a bit. Our Founding Fathers felt the need to replace the Articles of Confederation because it did not give the central government sufficient control over the states. If we use your definition, the Constitution for The United States of America was written to usher in communism.

I'm reasonably certain that was not what you intended to imply.

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[Lindsey 0]

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FYI The definition of comunisim is government control.

You may want to consider refining your definition a bit. Our Founding Fathers felt the need to replace the Articles of Confederation because it did not give the central government sufficient control over the states. If we use your definition, the Constitution for The United States of America was written to usher in communism.

I'm reasonably certain that was not what you intended to imply.

He may want to refine it even more than that, given that a REAL communist society would have NO government. The definition of communism is nearly opposite that of government control. Makes me wonder who else might be suppressing communist tendencies.

linz

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[kelpdiver 2]

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What about the Rev Wright situation? Did that never concern you at all?

Never. You are allowed to have associations with people even if you don't agree with them. Besides, he can't be any worse of a fundie than Bush has been, and the very White Congress isn't going to let him do anything on such a platform.

[jcd11235 0]

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He may want to refine it even more than that, given that a REAL communist society would have NO government. The definition of communism is nearly opposite that of government control. Makes me wonder who else might be suppressing communist tendencies.

linz

Very good point.

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[rushmc 23]

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FYI The definition of comunisim is government control.

You may want to consider refining your definition a bit. Our Founding Fathers felt the need to replace the Articles of Confederation because it did not give the central government sufficient control over the states. If we use your definition, the Constitution for The United States of America was written to usher in communism.

I'm reasonably certain that was not what you intended to imply.

Point taken. I was a little loose in the definition here but I think my point is the same

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

a theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a whole or to the state.
2. (often initial capital letter) a system of social organization in which all economic and social activity is controlled by a totalitarian state dominated by a single and self-perpetuating political party.


An economic system in which the production and distribution of goods are controlled substantially by the government rather than by private enterprise, and in which cooperation rather than competition guides economic activity. There are many varieties of socialism. Some socialists tolerate capitalism, as long as the government maintains the dominant influence over the economy; others insist on an abolition of private enterprise. All communists are socialists, but not all socialists are communists.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[TankBuster 0]

Why would a Christian say "...that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion...." Why put those in the same category? Most Christians I know "cling" to Christianity because we believe in it as a way of life, good times or bad. What do you think he means by "cling to guns.?" That they go out and shoot someone or commit gun crime? Those of you who say his remarks are the truth- I don't agree.

I believe it helps to remember his audience - San Francisco elite. "Latte Liberals" At some point in his speech, in order to pander for money, he had to bash religion and guns, and he picked a stupid way to do it.

He is proving himself an elitist, along the same lines as senator Kerry. More and more, though, he is proving himself a full blown Marxist.

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