vortexring 0 #551 May 1, 2008 You never know do you? 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #552 May 1, 2008 Quote You never know do you? The only way I couldn't know is if your assertion about the causal relationship of religion and virtue is false.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,500 #553 May 1, 2008 Quote'Ok, so atheists don't care about right and wrong and they also want to build soulless tyrranical regimes wherever they set foot.' Did he say that Well, yeah. On the contrary, North Korea is the precise opposite of a land governed by conscience. It is a country governed by men who do not believe in God or conscience, where nobody can be trusted to make his own choices, and where the State decides for the people what is right and what is wrong. And it is the ultimate destination of atheist thought. If you do not worship God, as a society, you end up worshipping power, whether it is Kim Jong Il, Leon Trotsky or the military might of George W. Bush.' What is your interpretation of Final destination of 'x' thought"? QuoteAnd then you have the fucking nerve to call me a liar. You are. QuoteAnd hop up and down to get me to waste time proving you so. You were the one who said you would show me the statement, without any request from me. I'm only trying to hold you to that, but unfortunately you were lying about it. (Question: How much more time have you wasted by worming, evading, back pedalling and being a generally objectionable bugger than you would have wasted by just looking for the statement in the first place? Doesn't scan as an excuse, does it?) QuoteDo you believe society would be better if people no longer believed in God/Religion/etc? Our society? Dunno. Might be exactly the same. I can think of several other societies that would be a lot better off.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rynodigsmusic 0 #554 May 1, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteAs soon as someone, anyone produces evidence of any deity then yes you would have a valid argument. To date that has never happened. The "evidence" that you and others have pointed to does not qualify as evidence by anyones definition of the word evidence. How about Simon Greenleaf's definition? Why can't you guys just say, "I don't accept what you point to as evidence--- even the eyewitness testimony of the gospel writers-- because I have a philosphical bias against the existence of a supernatural being"? Why??? Becuase what you point out as being eyewitness testimony does not in any way shape or form qualify as eyewitness testimony. You don't have any evidence. If you were to take a book into court and try to submit it as eyewitness testimony the judge would dismiss the book and ask you where your eyewitness is. An eyewitness is a person not a book. You can't question a book and get an answer. How would you feel if you witnessed something truly miraculous, but no one would even listen? What would you do? Here you are basically baptized in awe, but no one will have a thing to do with you. Out of the deep conviction of what you saw, your hearts desire was to dedicate your entire life, leave your family, live as a homeless man, endure horrible and countless persucutions, read, study, explore every method of speech and writing so that what you saw would at least be recorded and heard by someone even until martyrdom. When we witness something miraculous our heart desires to share it, do you think that is the truth? Just a question to what you would do if you saw someone who was clearly dead, say four days, and he came back to life? How would you react? Most people will not testify that they saw somethig they did not especially if they knew they would be persucuted, inprisoned, beaten, and killed. Would you testify against a mob boss to a crime you didnt even see?"We didn't start the fire" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vortexring 0 #555 May 1, 2008 Jakee - he didn't say: 'Ok, so atheists don't care about right and wrong and they also want to build soulless tyrranical regimes wherever they set foot.' Explaining why you came to such an interpretation isn't THE FUCKING ISSUE. Using such means to then 'directly' quote myself as having said what is your interpretation therefore makes you the liar. So fuck off.And hey, great answer to the question! Enjoyed that, no; really....... 'Dunno.....' Maybe yeah? Maybe no? Bollox!!! 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,500 #556 May 2, 2008 QuoteUsing such means to then 'directly' quote myself as having said what is your interpretation therefore makes you the liar. What the fuck are you talking about - I never presented it as a quote, it is quite obviously a brief summary in my own words, and it is the thrust of his article. Please - don't tell me that this whole thing has been caused by you not knowing what a quote is! That would be incredibly sad. QuoteAnd hey, great answer to the question! Good. I guess that unlike your own arrogant self I don't pretend to have all the answers.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vortexring 0 #557 May 2, 2008 I can't believe you've called me an objectionable bugger.That merit surely lies with yourself. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #558 May 2, 2008 Are you trying to say that no one else wrote about Jesus's resurection because they were afraid to tell the story? That really doesn't help the Bible's credibility. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,500 #559 May 2, 2008 Aren't you? You told me you would do one very, very, very simple thing - and have then turned around and given every single excuse under the sun as to why you haven't been able to do it but could have if you really wanted to. What next, aliens steal your computer?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vortexring 0 #560 May 2, 2008 "Good. I guess that unlike your own arrogant self I don't pretend to have all the answers." You're arrogant manners have continually implied that indeed you do. So if you haven't in actual fact got the answers, why be so quick to cry bullshit, why be so quick to provide whithering critiscism? Why be so quick to arrogantly fucking gob off? Because if 'dunno' is all you have in providing substance to your 'considered' opinion..... 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,009 #561 May 2, 2008 Your one warning. Enough with the attacks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rynodigsmusic 0 #562 May 2, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuote-- What do you mean by "purpose"? --What do you mean by "expression"? Its a good question, but I am afraid I cant explain it any clearer (i dont mean that sarcastically), but Ill try. If I design something, say a song, it is designed by more than just what is in me, I pull from inspiration, stories of others gone before me, yes also personal experiences ect..., I call it searching the soul. Have you ever tried to sit down and write something so special, so defining, so powerful whilst trying to keep the motivation for you letter still the focus? Like a love letter. There are alot of people who dont go down into that part of themselves, maybe fear, maybe they just dont know how...But nevertheless, the song is born and in reality, a song is still invisible, designed, and it expresses that of its writer. A song has great influence in peoples lives, if it is good, it will touch them in places they really really like, beyond physically of course, deeper. The song had a purpose, it was an expression of someones heart. It just seems to me that design has purpose, even if it is just expression. I never said that all purpsose was good, but I do believe that all purpose serves good, as painful as it is sometimes. Anyone who has gone through chemical warfare training has seen pictures, or maybe experienced what some of the worst viruses can do, isnt it just a little curious to know that scientists and biologists have been the vehicle to their creations? Marg, this is definietly not a slam against you, please understand that."We didn't start the fire" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,009 #563 May 2, 2008 >How would you feel if you witnessed something truly miraculous, but no >one would even listen? Feel fortunate that I had witnessed it. I wouldn't need other people to believe me. (It would be nice if they did, but not necessary.) >Just a question to what you would do if you saw someone who was >clearly dead, say four days, and he came back to life? How would you >react? I'd suspect he hadn't really been dead. John Duns Scotus "died" and was interred a few days later in 1308. When they opened his tomb decades later, they found him outside his coffin; he had tried to get out of the tomb. I suspect that he was in a coma when they interred him, though; I don't think any reincarnation was involved. In the 1700's and 1800's, they buried people all the time they thought were dead. When they would dig up the graves to move the cemetary or whatever, they would occasionally find clawmarks inside the coffins. The people had not really been dead, but medical science wasn't advanced enough to realize that. As a result, for a short time they'd put little bells on the gravestone with a string to the coffin, so the not-quite-dead guy could ring it and they'd dig him up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,009 #564 May 2, 2008 And Jakee, enough with the attacks as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites krabberkris 1 #565 May 2, 2008 Darwin realized there was a problem when he advised us to use our imagination to fill in the punctuations. He insisted in the introduction to his " Origins of Species" that despite the "steady misrepresentation of his theory" , natural selection is "not the EXCLUSIVE means of modification..." In the closing lines of that famous book , Darwin elaborated on this idea. "There is a grandeur in this view of life, with it's several powers having been breathed by the CREATOR into a few forms or into one..." You see , Darwin himself saw in the wonder of life a need for a ghost in the system , the powers breathed by the CREATOR. After reading God- The failed hypothesis , I walked away still strongly assured that we are certainly the Universe come alive (Sagan) and created by a loving "God" In this book , they wrote that " a better engineer" would have created a far more superior human being. The ears would be bigger , the knee caps would face forward , our torso sloped forward and neck longer. WTF? Try skydiving like that ! The man who smiles when things go wrong has thought of someone to blame it on. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites maadmax 0 #566 May 2, 2008 QuoteAre you trying to say that no one else wrote about Jesus's resurection because they were afraid to tell the story? That really doesn't help the Bible's credibility*** Who knows if anything else written about the events surrounding the Christian faith has survived. The moslems trashed an entire library at Constantinople when they over ran the city. The historian Josephus Flavius(ce37-100) acknowledges the existence of Jesus in his historical account of that time. I imagine there could be a whole encyclopedia and you would still find fault with it. Those of us who understand what the Bible is saying have plenty of information to work with. Those of us who heed Gods call, believe that God revealed his Truth through the writing of a chosen few. Most of these works found their way into our modern Bible. Translations, recopying and additions to the original writings have introduced minor errors. Those of us who search the Bible for its Truth have no problem in discerning what is Truth from what is not. What I can't figure out is why you atheists care so much, that you spend so much time trying to show us the error of our ways. Life is short, we will all find out who was right soon enough. What exactly is it that you have to offer again, that is so wonderful. _______________________________________ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites beowulf 1 #567 May 2, 2008 That's a pretty lame excuse. I prefer to live life in reality and not delude myself with false promises. I participate in the debates for the entertainment value. I don't care if I change your mind at all. If anyone could present evidence of any deity I would consider the possibility that a deity does exist. It appears that you would not change your mind no matter how many times we point out the lack of evidence. You insist on believing in a fairy tale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rynodigsmusic 0 #568 May 2, 2008 QuoteAre you trying to say that no one else wrote about Jesus's resurection because they were afraid to tell the story? That really doesn't help the Bible's credibility. Only those who saw the resurrection wrote that they saw the ressurection. The power was in their conviction. They were perscuted, beaten, inprisoned, and they continued to speak until most of them were ultimately martyrd. The spirit they recieved testified for them, at least thats what they said. That same spirit, not thier testimony alone, the spirit they recived is still testifying to the truth to this day. "Are you trying to say that no one else wrote about Jesus's resurection because they were afraid to tell the story" You much think you are fearless. Really. There are many people in the world who are afraid to testify to things they know will kill them, they do it becuase they are strong in thier conviction. For instance, a woman who is raped doesnt want it to happen to someone else, it is usually the strength of the heart that makes someone magnificent. I myself am not magnificent, but I respect with deep compassion those who find the strenght to testify, and I would never claim to have that strength within. Truth is, that no one knows how they will act, we like to think we are the hero, as that is societys influence, but we truly dont know. Im not for a single second going to say I know what is was like for MLK in the moments leading up to his death, I believe he was afraid, maybe not necessarily for his own life, but becasue he, like most, want to be there for thier familys, yet his conviction of hope for blacks and whites to live together in harmony as equals drove him on."We didn't start the fire" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites beowulf 1 #569 May 2, 2008 I think you are full of shit and making most of this up as you go. You don't know any of that to be fact yet you present it as fact. Do you have anything to back your words up with? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rynodigsmusic 0 #570 May 2, 2008 >Feel fortunate that I had witnessed it. I wouldn't need other people to believe me. (It would be nice if they did, but not necessary.) What if what you witnessed might save your family, freinds, mankind? Would your conviction lack power then? >I'd suspect he hadn't really been dead. Me too. But the point really is whether or not you think it is possible, not probable. And that is why Jesus always asked those he healed just before he healed them "do you believe I can do this?" If we believe that nothing is impossible with God, then even a body ressurected, be it a miracle, or not is believable. Add a strong conviction from someone who has seen it and there is something almost undeniable to the heart. Humans are not dead yet, we can still believe, some believe on what is seen, others on what is possible, and some refuse to believe. This goes beyond just Jesus, this is all about the power of what it means to be a believer in anything. Salvation is through faith, faith brings us hope and love. This is just a true statement in general life, add it to the conviction of what Jesus died for and..."We didn't start the fire" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rynodigsmusic 0 #571 May 2, 2008 QuoteI think you are full of shit and making most of this up as you go. You don't know any of that to be fact yet you present it as fact. Do you have anything to back your words up with? Think about it Beowulf. Just think, what do you think people will say about you when you are gone? What do you really want to leave behind? That is your spirit."We didn't start the fire" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rynodigsmusic 0 #572 May 2, 2008 You see , Darwin himself saw in the wonder of life a need for a ghost in the system , the powers breathed by the CREATOR. After reading God- The failed hypothesis , I walked away still strongly assured that we are certainly the Universe come alive (Sagan) and created by a loving "God" In this book , they wrote that " a better engineer" would have created a far more superior human being. The ears would be bigger , the knee caps would face forward , our torso sloped forward and neck longer. WTF? Try skydiving like that ! Very interesting view. I must be honest, I hadnt thought of that before. Biblically, it says that when the perfect comes, the imperfect dissapears. There is an explosion of imaginative views in the New Testament about this very subject. It excites our hope and inspires our imagination to the wonderful things ahead. Jesus called this place Paradise, a destination for us, but a spot that leaves no lacking in the imagination for us. I think in all of our imperfetions collectively we become perfect and enjoy things about each other, with an appreciative heart and not one full of envy or jealousy. Personally, it gives me peace and content to appreciate what others have that I do not, but that is not always an easy road. I dont have the greatest voice, but I try to appreciate those who do. I dont have the greatest view, I dont have the greatest hearing...Somewhow it seems that in our so-called imperfections we actually can seek the heart that is perfect. So we are not perfect it seems in our design for this planet, but in our design for the heart, it all seems to blend nicely. Contrary to popular belief, Jesus was not a handsome man, "He had nothing in his apperance that we should desire him" Beowulf, it seems your right, I do make alot of this up as I go!!!!"We didn't start the fire" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites beowulf 1 #573 May 2, 2008 Quote Think about it Beowulf. Just think, what do you think people will say about you when you are gone? What do you really want to leave behind? That is your spirit. What does this have to do with anything? None of this makes any sense. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rynodigsmusic 0 #574 May 2, 2008 I might also add that if our purpose was only to look after the earth, I think we are going to fail in that miserably! So, maybe the purpose of our design had more to do with something else, perhaps with the heart? I mean, what good are humans anyway????? Thats a joke! "We didn't start the fire" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rynodigsmusic 0 #575 May 2, 2008 Quote Quote Think about it Beowulf. Just think, what do you think people will say about you when you are gone? What do you really want to leave behind? That is your spirit. What does this have to do with anything? None of this makes any sense. In the immortal words of OASIS... 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billvon 3,009 #563 May 2, 2008 >How would you feel if you witnessed something truly miraculous, but no >one would even listen? Feel fortunate that I had witnessed it. I wouldn't need other people to believe me. (It would be nice if they did, but not necessary.) >Just a question to what you would do if you saw someone who was >clearly dead, say four days, and he came back to life? How would you >react? I'd suspect he hadn't really been dead. John Duns Scotus "died" and was interred a few days later in 1308. When they opened his tomb decades later, they found him outside his coffin; he had tried to get out of the tomb. I suspect that he was in a coma when they interred him, though; I don't think any reincarnation was involved. In the 1700's and 1800's, they buried people all the time they thought were dead. When they would dig up the graves to move the cemetary or whatever, they would occasionally find clawmarks inside the coffins. The people had not really been dead, but medical science wasn't advanced enough to realize that. As a result, for a short time they'd put little bells on the gravestone with a string to the coffin, so the not-quite-dead guy could ring it and they'd dig him up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,009 #564 May 2, 2008 And Jakee, enough with the attacks as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krabberkris 1 #565 May 2, 2008 Darwin realized there was a problem when he advised us to use our imagination to fill in the punctuations. He insisted in the introduction to his " Origins of Species" that despite the "steady misrepresentation of his theory" , natural selection is "not the EXCLUSIVE means of modification..." In the closing lines of that famous book , Darwin elaborated on this idea. "There is a grandeur in this view of life, with it's several powers having been breathed by the CREATOR into a few forms or into one..." You see , Darwin himself saw in the wonder of life a need for a ghost in the system , the powers breathed by the CREATOR. After reading God- The failed hypothesis , I walked away still strongly assured that we are certainly the Universe come alive (Sagan) and created by a loving "God" In this book , they wrote that " a better engineer" would have created a far more superior human being. The ears would be bigger , the knee caps would face forward , our torso sloped forward and neck longer. WTF? Try skydiving like that ! The man who smiles when things go wrong has thought of someone to blame it on. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maadmax 0 #566 May 2, 2008 QuoteAre you trying to say that no one else wrote about Jesus's resurection because they were afraid to tell the story? That really doesn't help the Bible's credibility*** Who knows if anything else written about the events surrounding the Christian faith has survived. The moslems trashed an entire library at Constantinople when they over ran the city. The historian Josephus Flavius(ce37-100) acknowledges the existence of Jesus in his historical account of that time. I imagine there could be a whole encyclopedia and you would still find fault with it. Those of us who understand what the Bible is saying have plenty of information to work with. Those of us who heed Gods call, believe that God revealed his Truth through the writing of a chosen few. Most of these works found their way into our modern Bible. Translations, recopying and additions to the original writings have introduced minor errors. Those of us who search the Bible for its Truth have no problem in discerning what is Truth from what is not. What I can't figure out is why you atheists care so much, that you spend so much time trying to show us the error of our ways. Life is short, we will all find out who was right soon enough. What exactly is it that you have to offer again, that is so wonderful. _______________________________________ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites beowulf 1 #567 May 2, 2008 That's a pretty lame excuse. I prefer to live life in reality and not delude myself with false promises. I participate in the debates for the entertainment value. I don't care if I change your mind at all. If anyone could present evidence of any deity I would consider the possibility that a deity does exist. It appears that you would not change your mind no matter how many times we point out the lack of evidence. You insist on believing in a fairy tale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rynodigsmusic 0 #568 May 2, 2008 QuoteAre you trying to say that no one else wrote about Jesus's resurection because they were afraid to tell the story? That really doesn't help the Bible's credibility. Only those who saw the resurrection wrote that they saw the ressurection. The power was in their conviction. They were perscuted, beaten, inprisoned, and they continued to speak until most of them were ultimately martyrd. The spirit they recieved testified for them, at least thats what they said. That same spirit, not thier testimony alone, the spirit they recived is still testifying to the truth to this day. "Are you trying to say that no one else wrote about Jesus's resurection because they were afraid to tell the story" You much think you are fearless. Really. There are many people in the world who are afraid to testify to things they know will kill them, they do it becuase they are strong in thier conviction. For instance, a woman who is raped doesnt want it to happen to someone else, it is usually the strength of the heart that makes someone magnificent. I myself am not magnificent, but I respect with deep compassion those who find the strenght to testify, and I would never claim to have that strength within. Truth is, that no one knows how they will act, we like to think we are the hero, as that is societys influence, but we truly dont know. Im not for a single second going to say I know what is was like for MLK in the moments leading up to his death, I believe he was afraid, maybe not necessarily for his own life, but becasue he, like most, want to be there for thier familys, yet his conviction of hope for blacks and whites to live together in harmony as equals drove him on."We didn't start the fire" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites beowulf 1 #569 May 2, 2008 I think you are full of shit and making most of this up as you go. You don't know any of that to be fact yet you present it as fact. Do you have anything to back your words up with? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rynodigsmusic 0 #570 May 2, 2008 >Feel fortunate that I had witnessed it. I wouldn't need other people to believe me. (It would be nice if they did, but not necessary.) What if what you witnessed might save your family, freinds, mankind? Would your conviction lack power then? >I'd suspect he hadn't really been dead. Me too. But the point really is whether or not you think it is possible, not probable. And that is why Jesus always asked those he healed just before he healed them "do you believe I can do this?" If we believe that nothing is impossible with God, then even a body ressurected, be it a miracle, or not is believable. Add a strong conviction from someone who has seen it and there is something almost undeniable to the heart. Humans are not dead yet, we can still believe, some believe on what is seen, others on what is possible, and some refuse to believe. This goes beyond just Jesus, this is all about the power of what it means to be a believer in anything. Salvation is through faith, faith brings us hope and love. This is just a true statement in general life, add it to the conviction of what Jesus died for and..."We didn't start the fire" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rynodigsmusic 0 #571 May 2, 2008 QuoteI think you are full of shit and making most of this up as you go. You don't know any of that to be fact yet you present it as fact. Do you have anything to back your words up with? Think about it Beowulf. Just think, what do you think people will say about you when you are gone? What do you really want to leave behind? That is your spirit."We didn't start the fire" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rynodigsmusic 0 #572 May 2, 2008 You see , Darwin himself saw in the wonder of life a need for a ghost in the system , the powers breathed by the CREATOR. After reading God- The failed hypothesis , I walked away still strongly assured that we are certainly the Universe come alive (Sagan) and created by a loving "God" In this book , they wrote that " a better engineer" would have created a far more superior human being. The ears would be bigger , the knee caps would face forward , our torso sloped forward and neck longer. WTF? Try skydiving like that ! Very interesting view. I must be honest, I hadnt thought of that before. Biblically, it says that when the perfect comes, the imperfect dissapears. There is an explosion of imaginative views in the New Testament about this very subject. It excites our hope and inspires our imagination to the wonderful things ahead. Jesus called this place Paradise, a destination for us, but a spot that leaves no lacking in the imagination for us. I think in all of our imperfetions collectively we become perfect and enjoy things about each other, with an appreciative heart and not one full of envy or jealousy. Personally, it gives me peace and content to appreciate what others have that I do not, but that is not always an easy road. I dont have the greatest voice, but I try to appreciate those who do. I dont have the greatest view, I dont have the greatest hearing...Somewhow it seems that in our so-called imperfections we actually can seek the heart that is perfect. So we are not perfect it seems in our design for this planet, but in our design for the heart, it all seems to blend nicely. Contrary to popular belief, Jesus was not a handsome man, "He had nothing in his apperance that we should desire him" Beowulf, it seems your right, I do make alot of this up as I go!!!!"We didn't start the fire" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites beowulf 1 #573 May 2, 2008 Quote Think about it Beowulf. Just think, what do you think people will say about you when you are gone? What do you really want to leave behind? That is your spirit. What does this have to do with anything? None of this makes any sense. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rynodigsmusic 0 #574 May 2, 2008 I might also add that if our purpose was only to look after the earth, I think we are going to fail in that miserably! So, maybe the purpose of our design had more to do with something else, perhaps with the heart? I mean, what good are humans anyway????? Thats a joke! "We didn't start the fire" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rynodigsmusic 0 #575 May 2, 2008 Quote Quote Think about it Beowulf. Just think, what do you think people will say about you when you are gone? What do you really want to leave behind? That is your spirit. What does this have to do with anything? None of this makes any sense. In the immortal words of OASIS... "Look inside the eye of your mind, and dont you know you might find, a better place to play""We didn't start the fire" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 Next Page 23 of 36 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. 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beowulf 1 #567 May 2, 2008 That's a pretty lame excuse. I prefer to live life in reality and not delude myself with false promises. I participate in the debates for the entertainment value. I don't care if I change your mind at all. If anyone could present evidence of any deity I would consider the possibility that a deity does exist. It appears that you would not change your mind no matter how many times we point out the lack of evidence. You insist on believing in a fairy tale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rynodigsmusic 0 #568 May 2, 2008 QuoteAre you trying to say that no one else wrote about Jesus's resurection because they were afraid to tell the story? That really doesn't help the Bible's credibility. Only those who saw the resurrection wrote that they saw the ressurection. The power was in their conviction. They were perscuted, beaten, inprisoned, and they continued to speak until most of them were ultimately martyrd. The spirit they recieved testified for them, at least thats what they said. That same spirit, not thier testimony alone, the spirit they recived is still testifying to the truth to this day. "Are you trying to say that no one else wrote about Jesus's resurection because they were afraid to tell the story" You much think you are fearless. Really. There are many people in the world who are afraid to testify to things they know will kill them, they do it becuase they are strong in thier conviction. For instance, a woman who is raped doesnt want it to happen to someone else, it is usually the strength of the heart that makes someone magnificent. I myself am not magnificent, but I respect with deep compassion those who find the strenght to testify, and I would never claim to have that strength within. Truth is, that no one knows how they will act, we like to think we are the hero, as that is societys influence, but we truly dont know. Im not for a single second going to say I know what is was like for MLK in the moments leading up to his death, I believe he was afraid, maybe not necessarily for his own life, but becasue he, like most, want to be there for thier familys, yet his conviction of hope for blacks and whites to live together in harmony as equals drove him on."We didn't start the fire" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #569 May 2, 2008 I think you are full of shit and making most of this up as you go. You don't know any of that to be fact yet you present it as fact. Do you have anything to back your words up with? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rynodigsmusic 0 #570 May 2, 2008 >Feel fortunate that I had witnessed it. I wouldn't need other people to believe me. (It would be nice if they did, but not necessary.) What if what you witnessed might save your family, freinds, mankind? Would your conviction lack power then? >I'd suspect he hadn't really been dead. Me too. But the point really is whether or not you think it is possible, not probable. And that is why Jesus always asked those he healed just before he healed them "do you believe I can do this?" If we believe that nothing is impossible with God, then even a body ressurected, be it a miracle, or not is believable. Add a strong conviction from someone who has seen it and there is something almost undeniable to the heart. Humans are not dead yet, we can still believe, some believe on what is seen, others on what is possible, and some refuse to believe. This goes beyond just Jesus, this is all about the power of what it means to be a believer in anything. Salvation is through faith, faith brings us hope and love. This is just a true statement in general life, add it to the conviction of what Jesus died for and..."We didn't start the fire" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rynodigsmusic 0 #571 May 2, 2008 QuoteI think you are full of shit and making most of this up as you go. You don't know any of that to be fact yet you present it as fact. Do you have anything to back your words up with? Think about it Beowulf. Just think, what do you think people will say about you when you are gone? What do you really want to leave behind? That is your spirit."We didn't start the fire" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rynodigsmusic 0 #572 May 2, 2008 You see , Darwin himself saw in the wonder of life a need for a ghost in the system , the powers breathed by the CREATOR. After reading God- The failed hypothesis , I walked away still strongly assured that we are certainly the Universe come alive (Sagan) and created by a loving "God" In this book , they wrote that " a better engineer" would have created a far more superior human being. The ears would be bigger , the knee caps would face forward , our torso sloped forward and neck longer. WTF? Try skydiving like that ! Very interesting view. I must be honest, I hadnt thought of that before. Biblically, it says that when the perfect comes, the imperfect dissapears. There is an explosion of imaginative views in the New Testament about this very subject. It excites our hope and inspires our imagination to the wonderful things ahead. Jesus called this place Paradise, a destination for us, but a spot that leaves no lacking in the imagination for us. I think in all of our imperfetions collectively we become perfect and enjoy things about each other, with an appreciative heart and not one full of envy or jealousy. Personally, it gives me peace and content to appreciate what others have that I do not, but that is not always an easy road. I dont have the greatest voice, but I try to appreciate those who do. I dont have the greatest view, I dont have the greatest hearing...Somewhow it seems that in our so-called imperfections we actually can seek the heart that is perfect. So we are not perfect it seems in our design for this planet, but in our design for the heart, it all seems to blend nicely. Contrary to popular belief, Jesus was not a handsome man, "He had nothing in his apperance that we should desire him" Beowulf, it seems your right, I do make alot of this up as I go!!!!"We didn't start the fire" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #573 May 2, 2008 Quote Think about it Beowulf. Just think, what do you think people will say about you when you are gone? What do you really want to leave behind? That is your spirit. What does this have to do with anything? None of this makes any sense. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rynodigsmusic 0 #574 May 2, 2008 I might also add that if our purpose was only to look after the earth, I think we are going to fail in that miserably! So, maybe the purpose of our design had more to do with something else, perhaps with the heart? I mean, what good are humans anyway????? Thats a joke! "We didn't start the fire" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rynodigsmusic 0 #575 May 2, 2008 Quote Quote Think about it Beowulf. Just think, what do you think people will say about you when you are gone? What do you really want to leave behind? That is your spirit. What does this have to do with anything? None of this makes any sense. In the immortal words of OASIS... "Look inside the eye of your mind, and dont you know you might find, a better place to play""We didn't start the fire" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
