airtwardo 7 #26 April 20, 2008 ~there's just some things you don't screw around with . . . Quote Agree 100%... ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tazz 0 #27 April 20, 2008 right on bro Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BoilingMidnight 0 #28 May 9, 2008 QuoteThat photo of Iwo Jima was staged just like the Time photo. ... More fuckin U.S propaganda. Glad we could provide a reason for another US-hating liberal to rage insensate about the country that provides him with a home and income. Why is it you far-lefties can't post without expletives? You're probably too angry to realize it but your post says little about the great United States and everything about you. But aside from having a different definition of 'propaganda' than the rest of the English-speaking world, you've discovered a new meaning of "photo" heretofore unknown (um, the Time cover wasn't a photo, it was an edited graphic.) Still I urge you to publish your dictionary; I'd love to read your definitions of "bitter", "self-loathing" and "hypocrite.""Iþ ik qiþa izwis, ni andstandan allis þamma unseljin." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #29 May 9, 2008 QuoteWhat a pile of sanctimonious shit. There is nothing wrong with the picture. Iwo Jima is symbolic of victory in a titanic struggle after arduous struggle and sacrifice; the editors are suggesting that the global warming struggle will be arduous and require great sacrifice. Whether or not you agree with their comparison is irrelevant. You sound like the Muslim crazies screaming for blood because someone dared depict the prophet in a cartoon. What are you going to do, issue a fatwa? I couldn't agree more, people can't have it both ways. Either there is some things that shouldn't be published or everything within the law is fair game.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #30 May 9, 2008 Whats the big deal? Like another poster in this thread pointed out the picture was staged and made famous as part of a campaign to recruit more Americans to die for the cause. 7000 US Marines died on Iwo Jima thats a seperate issue, respect to them but as for this picture its just that a picture.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites downwardspiral 0 #31 May 9, 2008 The Iwo Jima flag raising picture was staged? Do have proof of this?www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites KidWicked 0 #32 May 9, 2008 QuoteThe Iwo Jima flag raising picture was staged? Do have proof of this? Duh. Too lazy to look it up?Coreece: "You sound like some skinheads I know, but your prejudice is with Christians, not niggers..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites happythoughts 0 #33 May 9, 2008 QuoteWhats the big deal? Like another poster in this thread pointed out the picture was staged and made famous as part of a campaign to recruit more Americans to die for the cause. 7000 US Marines died on Iwo Jima thats a seperate issue, respect to them but as for this picture its just that a picture. The picture is often described as "iconic". It is a symbol used to encapsulate the emotions and the respect surrounding the people and the event. Another example would be pictures of the World Trade Center Towers. As a child, I went fishing with two Pacific veterans in wheelchairs. Death was only part of the cost of the veterans of this era. To use a picture, such as this one, is to resurrect the emotions related to that event. That is why it is stupid to use such a picture in a casual fashion such as this. Part of being an "editor" is to have a certain amount of judgment in the types of images that they use. Whoever allowed the use of that image shows an incredible insensitivity to memories of those veterans, and their suffering. That disrespect has garnered an earned backlash. Some years ago, a Miami Herald cartoonist ran This Cartoon It features a 13 yo MLK standing beside his bed, explaining to his mother, "I had a dream". It cost him his job. It wasn't nearly funny, it was intentionally provocative and insensitive. Editors and news organizations have accountability also. If you ask for it, and you get it, don't complain. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites downwardspiral 0 #34 May 9, 2008 Quote Quote The Iwo Jima flag raising picture was staged? Do have proof of this? Duh. Too lazy to look it up? and forgettful too! www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tbrown 26 #35 May 9, 2008 QuoteThe Iwo Jima flag raising picture was staged? Do have proof of this? The famous Iwo Jima photo was not staged, but for many years there was a serious misunderstanding about that. There were actually two flag raisings, the first was a smaller flag. Photographer Joe Rosenthal did arrange and pose the Marines standing around this smaller flag for a group shot after it had been raised. Later in the day, the larger flag was sent up Mt. Suribachi so that all the Marines fighting below could see a big American flag on the summit. When this flag was raised, Rosenthal just happened to have perfect timing to get his famous one-in-a-million shot. But at the time he didn't even realize what he'd captured on film. When the film was developed onboard a Navy ship, it was an instant sensation, all the way back to Washington. Somebody then asked Rosenthal if he had posed the famous shot. Nothaving seen it yet, Rosenthal answered "yes", thinking it was one of the group shots he'd posed around the first & smaller flag. And so the misunderstanding began. This was from a television interview Rosenthal gave some years before his recent death. Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites happythoughts 0 #36 May 9, 2008 I believe that whether the pic was re-shot is irrelevant. It's value is as a symbol of the event and the era. That is its reality and value. The picture provoked an expected response to the altering of a symbol. How childish to think that was a good idea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #37 May 9, 2008 Quote The picture provoked an expected response to the altering of a symbol. How childish to think that was a good idea. Are we talking about the Iwo Jima picture still or the Muhamed cartoons?When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,063 #38 May 9, 2008 >The picture provoked an expected response to the altering of a symbol. And seems to have accomplished its goal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites piper17 1 #39 May 9, 2008 Staged? No. Do your research. What was "staged" was a large, group picture of about twenty or so Marines after the flag raising photo was taken. The flag-raising shot was not "staged". http://www.iwojima.com/raising/l721flag.gif"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition"...Rudyard Kipling Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #40 May 9, 2008 QuoteWhats the big deal? Like another poster in this thread pointed out the picture was staged and made famous as part of a campaign to recruit more Americans to die for the cause. 7000 US Marines died on Iwo Jima thats a seperate issue, respect to them but as for this picture its just that a picture. What would be your reaction if you saw pictures of the Hungerford or Dunblane victims used in a joke email or otherwise disrespected?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 2 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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BoilingMidnight 0 #28 May 9, 2008 QuoteThat photo of Iwo Jima was staged just like the Time photo. ... More fuckin U.S propaganda. Glad we could provide a reason for another US-hating liberal to rage insensate about the country that provides him with a home and income. Why is it you far-lefties can't post without expletives? You're probably too angry to realize it but your post says little about the great United States and everything about you. But aside from having a different definition of 'propaganda' than the rest of the English-speaking world, you've discovered a new meaning of "photo" heretofore unknown (um, the Time cover wasn't a photo, it was an edited graphic.) Still I urge you to publish your dictionary; I'd love to read your definitions of "bitter", "self-loathing" and "hypocrite.""Iþ ik qiþa izwis, ni andstandan allis þamma unseljin." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #29 May 9, 2008 QuoteWhat a pile of sanctimonious shit. There is nothing wrong with the picture. Iwo Jima is symbolic of victory in a titanic struggle after arduous struggle and sacrifice; the editors are suggesting that the global warming struggle will be arduous and require great sacrifice. Whether or not you agree with their comparison is irrelevant. You sound like the Muslim crazies screaming for blood because someone dared depict the prophet in a cartoon. What are you going to do, issue a fatwa? I couldn't agree more, people can't have it both ways. Either there is some things that shouldn't be published or everything within the law is fair game.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #30 May 9, 2008 Whats the big deal? Like another poster in this thread pointed out the picture was staged and made famous as part of a campaign to recruit more Americans to die for the cause. 7000 US Marines died on Iwo Jima thats a seperate issue, respect to them but as for this picture its just that a picture.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #31 May 9, 2008 The Iwo Jima flag raising picture was staged? Do have proof of this?www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KidWicked 0 #32 May 9, 2008 QuoteThe Iwo Jima flag raising picture was staged? Do have proof of this? Duh. Too lazy to look it up?Coreece: "You sound like some skinheads I know, but your prejudice is with Christians, not niggers..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #33 May 9, 2008 QuoteWhats the big deal? Like another poster in this thread pointed out the picture was staged and made famous as part of a campaign to recruit more Americans to die for the cause. 7000 US Marines died on Iwo Jima thats a seperate issue, respect to them but as for this picture its just that a picture. The picture is often described as "iconic". It is a symbol used to encapsulate the emotions and the respect surrounding the people and the event. Another example would be pictures of the World Trade Center Towers. As a child, I went fishing with two Pacific veterans in wheelchairs. Death was only part of the cost of the veterans of this era. To use a picture, such as this one, is to resurrect the emotions related to that event. That is why it is stupid to use such a picture in a casual fashion such as this. Part of being an "editor" is to have a certain amount of judgment in the types of images that they use. Whoever allowed the use of that image shows an incredible insensitivity to memories of those veterans, and their suffering. That disrespect has garnered an earned backlash. Some years ago, a Miami Herald cartoonist ran This Cartoon It features a 13 yo MLK standing beside his bed, explaining to his mother, "I had a dream". It cost him his job. It wasn't nearly funny, it was intentionally provocative and insensitive. Editors and news organizations have accountability also. If you ask for it, and you get it, don't complain. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #34 May 9, 2008 Quote Quote The Iwo Jima flag raising picture was staged? Do have proof of this? Duh. Too lazy to look it up? and forgettful too! www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbrown 26 #35 May 9, 2008 QuoteThe Iwo Jima flag raising picture was staged? Do have proof of this? The famous Iwo Jima photo was not staged, but for many years there was a serious misunderstanding about that. There were actually two flag raisings, the first was a smaller flag. Photographer Joe Rosenthal did arrange and pose the Marines standing around this smaller flag for a group shot after it had been raised. Later in the day, the larger flag was sent up Mt. Suribachi so that all the Marines fighting below could see a big American flag on the summit. When this flag was raised, Rosenthal just happened to have perfect timing to get his famous one-in-a-million shot. But at the time he didn't even realize what he'd captured on film. When the film was developed onboard a Navy ship, it was an instant sensation, all the way back to Washington. Somebody then asked Rosenthal if he had posed the famous shot. Nothaving seen it yet, Rosenthal answered "yes", thinking it was one of the group shots he'd posed around the first & smaller flag. And so the misunderstanding began. This was from a television interview Rosenthal gave some years before his recent death. Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #36 May 9, 2008 I believe that whether the pic was re-shot is irrelevant. It's value is as a symbol of the event and the era. That is its reality and value. The picture provoked an expected response to the altering of a symbol. How childish to think that was a good idea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #37 May 9, 2008 Quote The picture provoked an expected response to the altering of a symbol. How childish to think that was a good idea. Are we talking about the Iwo Jima picture still or the Muhamed cartoons?When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,063 #38 May 9, 2008 >The picture provoked an expected response to the altering of a symbol. And seems to have accomplished its goal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piper17 1 #39 May 9, 2008 Staged? No. Do your research. What was "staged" was a large, group picture of about twenty or so Marines after the flag raising photo was taken. The flag-raising shot was not "staged". http://www.iwojima.com/raising/l721flag.gif"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition"...Rudyard Kipling Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #40 May 9, 2008 QuoteWhats the big deal? Like another poster in this thread pointed out the picture was staged and made famous as part of a campaign to recruit more Americans to die for the cause. 7000 US Marines died on Iwo Jima thats a seperate issue, respect to them but as for this picture its just that a picture. What would be your reaction if you saw pictures of the Hungerford or Dunblane victims used in a joke email or otherwise disrespected?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
