Supreme Court Upholds Indiana photo voter ID law

[Trent 0]

Again... I wonder why it is too much to ask for someone to go get an ID before they choose our next leader?

I have a feeling that many people just disagree because they're disagreeable to anything that happens when "their man" isn't in office.

Oh, hello again!

[nerdgirl 0]

In Georgia, a "Identification Card for Voting Purposes" is free.

VR/Marg

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[idrankwhat 0]

I was going to mention some issues that I had with some of the arguments used. Then I thought, "why bother"?
I'm having trouble with the logic of a law that forces people to prove that they're eligible to vote using a system that can't verify that the person voted or that the count is accurate.
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[rehmwa 2]

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Ah, yes...another "rescumlican" plot.... (rolls eyes)

Have some more DU kool-aid, dude...

His grandmother should be fine. Last time I checked, a "passport" is a "government issued photo ID".

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[kallend 2,030]

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An Indiana ID card is $13, so you do indeed have to pay for the right to vote in Indiana.

You would have been correct in 2005. Not now.

Indiana offers free photo identification to qualified voters able to establish their residenceand identity. §9–24–16–10(b) (West Supp. 2007).

Indiana previously imposed a fee on all residents seeking a state-issued photo identification. At the same time that the Indiana Legislature enacted SEA 483, it also directed the Bureau of Motor Vehicles (BMV) to remove all fees for state-issued photo identification for individuals without a driver’s license who are at least 18 years old. See 2005 Ind. Acts p. 2017, §18.

Yawn. Next?

Well, the Indiana BMV just YESTERDAY was reporting a $13 fee on their web site.

Yawn.

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[lawrocket 3]

That's odd. Just now I see this page: http://www.in.gov/bmv/3700.htm

It's got that part about "to obtain a free identification card for voting purposes."

They must have been viewing this thread.

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[lawrocket 3]

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Show me proof of calculated voter fraud that is directly linked to the absence of ID at a polling place.

The court said there was no proof of it.

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Not the occasional one-off incident.
I am talking about WIDESPREAD fraudulent activites, which the Indiana legislation was supposed to resolve. It wasn't happenning.

So, you mean the sort of thing that would sway an election? When is more than one enough?

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Look up Kennedy's article in Rolling Stone on the success of the rescumlican efforts in 2004. Look up the successful vote caging (an illegal tactic that is supposed to be prevented by the Justice dept, states don't have jurisdiction) that the rescums pulled off in 2000, 2004, and 2006. THOSE are examples of voter fraud that have NOT BEEN ADDRESSED by any means at all.

Yes, and Rev. Wright also has made some allegations, too.

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This will successfully prevent poor people in large cities (they don't tend to get drivers licenses as they don't need them) and old people who quit driving, from voting.

Quit mentioning driver's licenses. All that is needed is a government issued ID. Wanna buy beer? Show ID. Want to cash a check? Need some ID. Want to get a job? Better show some ID.

Don't have ID? Hmmm...

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The cost for the ID will be $25.00, so that she can vote. If that isn't a poll tax, I don't know what is.

This would be wrong. If it happens.

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The Rescums are cackling with glee, with the idiot sheeple cheering them on.

I'm not a "sheeple," as you indicate.

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Poor and elderly people will be prevented from voting.

No. There are exceptions built in for poor and elderly. At least in the Indiana law.

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Everybody does NOT have a goverment issued ID. Most people do, but not all.

True. But how do these people buy homes or sign leases without ID? How do they open bank accounts or have a credit card?

Isn't it interesting that the Indiana BMV just posted on its website about being open for longer hours so people could get their "free" ID's for voting?

By the way, how does your mother shop? Or get to the doctor?

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Ah, yes...another "rescumlican" plot.... (rolls eyes)

Have some more DU kool-aid, dude...

His grandmother should be fine. Last time I checked, a "passport" is a "government issued photo ID".

You righties are the Kool-Aid drinkers. Not a single critical thought comes from your own research and thinking. You just regurgitate the proper talking points, like the good sheeple you are.

Your reading comprehension is a bit off...

My mother has an old, as in about 15 years expired, passport. Not my grandmother.

What else could be expected of a righty. Skip right over the facts and write what you already believe.

To the douchebag who made a comment about my mothers activities, fuck off. My mom gets around via my sister. Not that it is any of your business.

I am SO HAPPY that the assholes of the world see no problem with preventing a fair number of citizens from voting. Low life scumbags, the lot of you. You are anti-american and seem to be quite proud of it. I'll bet that you were all in favor of the so-called "nuclear" option when the rescums controlled Congress. You know, the plan to re-write the rules to prevent filibusters. You know, that rotten delaying tactic that prevents Congress from getting real work done. Now that the rescums are the minority, they have used filibusters a record 61 times and counting, so as to prevent the Democrats from getting legislation passed. Then they blame the Democrats for "not getting anything done". Fucking hypocritical assholes. You scumbags don't see this as a problem. What the hell is wrong with you? Why aren't you on your reps to cut the crap and let things happen, the way Democrats were forced to by the rescums? If the Democrats tried to change the rules to prevent filibusters, the MSM would be all over it. That must be the "fair and balanced" media at work, eh?

As far as conspiracy "theories", the facts show that there is no "theory" to it at all.
It is well documented and proven beyond a reasonable doubt. It is the the outcome of the planned activities of the rescumlicans. If you don't care to look into the reality of the situation, you are part of the problem.
You should try reading some of the non-mainstream media and actually look up the cites in the articles. Not a one of you has read the Kennedy report on the 2004 election and looked up the cites. The facts are clear and well presented. The footnotes prove every single issue. It seems unbelieveable, because it IS unbelieveable. It is the truth, however much you don't want to believe it. By your silence you are enablers in the very worst way. If you cared about the USA, for real, you would be calling for change, like 75% of the country is.

[rehmwa 2]

Guy - you want to go fix that, it's too much fun to have you here to see you get banned

nice rant though

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[mnealtx 0]

Would said "report" include the illegal activities of groups like ACORN, or is that conveniently absent?

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[lawrocket 3]

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Not a single critical thought comes from your own research and thinking. You just regurgitate the proper talking points

No. I speak for myself.

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To the douchebag who made a comment about my mothers activities, fuck off. My mom gets around via my sister. Not that it is any of your business.

Sorry for bringing up your mother's activities. Actually, I DIDN'T bring up your mother's activities. YOU brought up your mother's activities. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3197207#3197207

I merely asked a question.

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I am SO HAPPY that the assholes of the world see no problem with preventing a fair number of citizens from voting.

To suugest that an asshole such as myself supports disenfranchisement is a mistake.

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Low life scumbags, the lot of you.

No, I'm the attorney. The rest of these people are not low-life scumbags. I've the license to prove that I'm a low-life scumbag, mister.

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I'll bet that you were all in favor of the so-called "nuclear" option when the rescums controlled Congress. You know, the plan to re-write the rules to prevent filibusters.

No, nor am I in favor of the DNC re-writing rules to re-enfranchise those voters they decided not to count.

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You know, that rotten delaying tactic that prevents Congress from getting real work done.

ANY tactic that keeps Congress from making more laws is a good one.

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You should try reading some of the non-mainstream media and actually look up the cites in the articles.

Actually, I read the source opinion. It's interesting that not even Justice Stevens agrees with you. Nor do Ginsburg or Breyer use your arguments.

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Not a one of you has read the Kennedy report on the 2004 election and looked up the cites.

Has it been peer reviewed? Is it a consensus? Or is it a reporter writing something in Rolling Stone? I'll have you know that Rolling Stone panned Led Zeppelin 1. Fuck em!

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If you cared about the USA, for real, you would be calling for change, like 75% of the country is.

I am calling for change. Just not the kind of change with which you agree.

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[kelpdiver 2]

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I'll bet that you were all in favor of the so-called "nuclear" option when the rescums controlled Congress. You know, the plan to re-write the rules to prevent filibusters. You know, that rotten delaying tactic that prevents Congress from getting real work done. Now that the rescums are the minority, they have used filibusters a record 61 times and counting, so as to prevent the Democrats from getting legislation passed. Then they blame the Democrats for "not getting anything done".

so why does it seem like the Democrats can't use their powers as effectively as the GOP? Early in Clinton's reign the fillibuster stopped them in their tracks. And now. In between, Bush seemed to have no trouble passing shit. WTF was the Democratic leadership?

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Whitewashing vote fraud
THE WASHINGTON TIMES EDITORIAL
April 30, 2008






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Monday's 6-3 Supreme Court decision upholding Indiana's voter-identification law has unhinged Democrats and their allies on the political left. Within hours of the ruling, the ACLU was wringing its hands about the judgment of the court that requires someone to produce photo identification in order to vote was not unconstitutional. Sen. Charles Schumer, New York Democrat, complained that it was "a body blow to what America stands for — equal access to the polls." But a careful reading of the opinions of the six justices who voted to uphold the Indiana law shows this assertion to be nonsense.



The judgment of the court — that requiring someone to produce photo identification in order to vote is not unconstitutional — was announced by Justice John Paul Stevens, one of its most liberal members. Justice Stevens wrote an opinion, in which Chief Justice John Roberts and Justice Anthony Kennedy concurred, that eviscerates the arguments made against Indiana's reasonable efforts to combat vote fraud. Although Indiana has not experienced a problem with in-person voter impersonation at polling places, there have been huge problems with such fraud in other states. Indiana has a legitimate interest in purging what has become "an unusually inflated list of registered voters," who have reportedly included "the names of thousands of persons who had either moved, died or were not eligible to vote because they had been convicted of felonies." The need to prevent voter fraud, Justice Stevens wrote, "does provide a neutral and nondiscriminatory reason supporting the State's decision to require photo identification."



A commission co-chaired by former President Jimmy Carter and former Secretary of State James Baker reported in 2005 that since October 2002, the Justice Department had launched more than 180 investigations into election fraud, which included instances of multiple voting and providing false information about felon status. In Milwaukee, investigators "said they found clear evidence of fraud, including more than 200 cases of felons voting illegally and more than 100 people who voted twice." The Carter-Baker panel noted one estimate that were more than 181,000 dead people listed on voter rolls in six swing states in the 2004 election.



Vote fraud debases the electoral process by cancelling out the votes of people who obey the law. Those who seek to whitewash such behavior are effectively working to negate the votes of law-abiding citizens.

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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
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[AndyBoyd 0]

The fear is that allowing states to require picture ID for voting will disenfranchise minorities and low-income individuals, who, for various reasons, are often not capable of easily obtaining these IDs. Minorities and low-income people tend to vote for Democratic candidates. I don't have a source to cite for this, but I recall reading in a newspaper article that every Indiana Republican legislator voted for this law, and every Indiana Democrat voted against it. If this is true, it leads me to believe that the real issue for the Indiana legislature was not voter fraud (there has been very little documented voter fraud in that state), but preventing minorities and low-income people from voting. Again, if that is true, it saddens me that this could occur, and that the SC would approve of it.

[lawrocket 3]

Why do so many people suggest that minorities are incapable of getting IDs? Why is it not suggested that white people would face the same problems?

There is something inherently offensive about the statement.

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[rehmwa 2]

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Why do so many people suggest that minorities are incapable of getting IDs? Why is it not suggested that white people would face the same problems?

because the all white government union "whitey's only" photographers union have a plot to only take pictures when a minority is not smiling, has his eyes closed, or otherwise making a funny face

they can't help it, they are right brain thinkers. Or left brain. well, one of the two, but they are ALL like that

am I Wright? am I not mis-apprehending the issue my friends? give me an 'AMEN'

you can't just wave a magic wand and expect people to change hundreds of years of ingrained habits. People that old are plain stuck in their ways.

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[Trent 0]

So, in a town where there has never been a murder... should there be no law against it until one has been committed?

Making it MORE difficult to defraud our voting system is good. Isn't it?

It is telling to see what groups are against making sure those who vote are indeed those that are registered.

Oh, hello again!

[rehmwa 2]

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My mother has an old, as in about 15 years expired, passport. Not my grandmother.

my bad, but from here, they look alike. some age difference maybe, but, frankly, I think they could be related

like sisters
or even mother/daughter

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[rehmwa 2]

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the real issue for the Indiana legislature was not voter fraud (there has been very little documented voter fraud in that state), but preventing minorities and low-income people from voting

that's simply one of the two partisan rationals

and Justice Stevens wrote clearly on that - in effect

even thought there may be a clear partisan motive (on both sides - though I suspect JPS was biased to your argument) to bringing the case forward, it does not invalidate the 'real' argument of fixing voter fraud

Dems: the right is trying to disenfranchise the poor and elderly

Reps: the left wants to disenfranchise everybody else by allowing illegal voting to cancel out lawful votes

If you rephrase it as this (without party rhetoric)

"The ruling might - disenfranchis some of the poor and elderly while eliminating illegal voting"

then you can clearly see both sides of the coin and the obvious solution is to ensure not only the elimination illegal voting, but to also ensure all the qualified people are allowed opportunity to vote legally (in this case by enabling affordable or tax payer paid photo IDs) - which they appear to have done

it's not a right vs wrong problem, it's an implementation issue only

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[jcd11235 0]

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It is telling to see what groups are against making sure those who vote are indeed those that are registered.

I'm not seeing arguments against being able to prove identity. I'm seeing concerns about the law violating the 24th Amendment. Thus far, it has been shown that Indiana and Georgia offer free photo ID's for the purpose of voting for those who have no driver's license by lawrocket and nerdgirl, respectively. It remains unclear how those states, or others, treat those who have out of state licenses. Do they also have access to free in state ID's? Are their out of state DL's acceptable forms of identification? Or, will they have to pay for an in state ID? If the latter is the case, it would appear to be a violation of the 24th Amendment.

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[jcd11235 0]

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it's not a right vs wrong problem, it's an implementation issue only

Agreed

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[lawrocket 3]

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Are their out of state DL's acceptable forms of identification? Or, will they have to pay for an in state ID?

They will NOT have to pay for an in-state ID. The in-state ID is free, as nerdgirl and I showed. They can use the out-of-state driver's license to drive. They may be able to use it to vote. If not, they can get a free ID from the state.

Thus, zero cost.

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[kelpdiver 2]

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I don't have a source to cite for this, but I recall reading in a newspaper article that every Indiana Republican legislator voted for this law, and every Indiana Democrat voted against it. If this is true, it leads me to believe that the real issue for the Indiana legislature was not voter fraud (there has been very little documented voter fraud in that state), but preventing minorities and low-income people from voting.

Often you see votes on party lines, with no exceptions. You cannot draw too many conclusions from it, other than each party's leadership was adament about their stance and none of the members considered it important enough to suffer the consequences of breaking with their leaders.

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Are their out of state DL's acceptable forms of identification? Or, will they have to pay for an in state ID?

They will NOT have to pay for an in-state ID. The in-state ID is free, as nerdgirl and I showed. They can use the out-of-state driver's license to drive. They may be able to use it to vote. If not, they can get a free ID from the state.

Thus, zero cost.

I think if you reread my post, that is exactly what I said, including crediting you and nerdgirl, except the zero cost of an ID for those with out of state DL's, which did not seem clear from the links provided (I'll have to recheck.), but may, in fact, be the case.

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Are their out of state DL's acceptable forms of identification? Or, will they have to pay for an in state ID?

They will NOT have to pay for an in-state ID. The in-state ID is free, as nerdgirl and I showed. They can use the out-of-state driver's license to drive. They may be able to use it to vote. If not, they can get a free ID from the state.

Thus, zero cost.

It's never zero. It may be sufficiently low to say it's acceptable, but it will result in some loss of voters.

Dealing with the DMV is a half day event, esp if/when Real ID comes along and you need to provide 17 proofs of identity and a stool sample. And what are the legal implications of getting a new ID/license for a different state, in the eyes of the one who issued you the original driver's license? Laws attempt to prevent dual statehood.