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Sean Bell, Trent Benefield and Joseph Guzman were boy scouts

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But it is not their fault they were criminals don't you know. The "man" was keeping them down and they had to react accordingly.
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Hmm I dont see any death penalty offenses on there



What these boy scouts did deserve was to serve their full sentence.

They should of been sentenced for 10 years when they were charged with Criminal Possession of a Weapon.

Guzman should have been sentenced for 10 years for the 1st offense and then sentenced 20 more years because he committed the second offense within a short time after the first offense.

None of this would have happened had they served their full sentenced. Repeat offenders should be sentenced to the full extent and not get paroled early, period!
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Agreed. Their are plenty of gun laws on the books. They are just not enforced. One of the reasons they are not enforced is that prisons are overcrowded. I don't have the solution for that problem but it is a problem that leads to many others.
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Exactly, hence why these boyscouts were let out early to get passed the system, again and again and again and again.....



Well it does give the police plenty of targets that way... at least they are shooting these boyscouts instead of innocent people right??

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Well it does give the police plenty of targets that way... at least they are shooting these boyscouts instead of innocent people right??



From your previous posts, you made it seem like these boyscouts were innocent people. Now you're admitting that they're boyscouts?

Honestly now....you're counting Diallo and Bell whose deaths were more or less 10 years apart. You make it seem as if cops are always shooting fine young boy scouts every year.

You didn't realize that St. Sean wouldn't do such things mentioned in that document. He worked in food kitchens, he was supposed to be a starting 3rd Baseman for the LA Dodgers but had to turn it down to take care of the sick and invalid of Queens. In fact the very night he died, he was searching for poor misguided souls to save in that strip club. So sad to lose such a fine upstanding citizen.
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Exactly, hence why these boyscouts were let out early to get passed the system, again and again and again and again.....



Well it does give the police plenty of targets that way... at least they are shooting these boyscouts instead of innocent people right??



You do realize the cops' reaction is SOP for PDs across the country right? I said this in the other thread and I'll say it again here....the only reason this got national attention is because the deceased was due to marry a couple hours after the altercation. Other than that its the same old story whenever a suspect assaults a police officer with their vehicle...someone ends up dead.
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Other than that its the same old story whenever a suspect assaults a police officer with their vehicle...someone ends up dead.




I get the feeling the OP would rather they just all get shot no matter what the reason...and buy the way.. in THIS COUNTRY you ARE innocent.. until PROVED guilty....right.. or has the right wing subverted that completely now:S:S:S:S:S


Personally I think these guys were trying to get away from the guys with guns... I know I would if I saw someone not in a uniform and brandishing a gun.....at night ..... in a not so good neighborhood. Hell yeah I am going to floor it to try to get the hell out of there.

Most people know better than to step in front of a speeding car... I guess the officers who pull this crap think they are superman and can stop the car.by stepping out in front of it...Hell yeah.. judge jury and executioner all rolled up into one... just the way some people herre seem to like it..

Hope their milage varys from the norm if THEY ever get into some situation like this.:S:S

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Other than that its the same old story whenever a suspect assaults a police officer with their vehicle...someone ends up dead.




...and buy the way.. in THIS COUNTRY you ARE innocent.. until PROVED guilty....right.. or has the right wing subverted that completely now:S:S:S:S:S


I'm not saying mistakes weren't made. It just seems you have a very bitter opinion of a case that we don't have all the details about. To me the simple fact the prosecutor failed to establish doubt the detective didn't identify himself, which was the prosecutor's entire case, tells me these officers are INNOCENT because yes in this country you ARE innocent until proven guilty and in this case guilt was not proven.

yet you seem to think it was based on information distributed by sensational news media whose use of the word "groom" is no more valid than the op's very sarcastic use of the word "boyscout".
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I'm not saying mistakes weren't made. It just seems you have a very bitter opinion of a case that we don't have all the details about. To me the simple fact the prosecutor failed to establish doubt the detective didn't identify himself, which was the prosecutor's entire case, tells me these officers are INNOCENT because yes in this country you ARE innocent until proven guilty and in this case guilt was not proven.



Sorry.. but the officers ARE guilty of killing a man.. I dont think they should have that right. The EXCUSES they used of the car trying to run them over.... and the incredible invisible gun.... were used as justification to kill someone who did not have to DIE BY COP.

If people condone their actions.. it will continue.. as long as other officers learn from this event and use SIMILAR EXCUSES when the adrenaline is flowing and superman jumps out in front of other fleeing people and another hail of bullets fill the night sky. Slippery slope to that police state where the police are infallible and can do as they wish.

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Sorry.. but the officers ARE guilty of killing a man



That's odd. A judge didn't seem to have the same findings as you. 3 officers were found not guilty. Did you try their case in different court? In this different court that where their case was held, were you the judge of that court that found them guilty of killing a man?

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I dont think they should have that right.



No one in this world has a right to kill anyone, cops or any LEO. In this case, judge cooperman found that they had every right according to their sop to continue shooting until the threat was eliminated.

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and the incredible invisible gun



Judge cooperman didn't concentrate on an invisible gun. That night good ol' boyscout sean decided to use his car as a deadly weapon.

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The EXCUSES they used of the car trying to run them over



What you seem to regard as an EXCUSE, a competent judge found them not guilty of all charges.
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Sorry.. but the officers ARE guilty of killing a man

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That's odd. A judge didn't seem to have the same findings as you. 3 officers were found not guilty. Did you try their case in different court? In this different court that where their case was held, were you the judge of that court that found them guilty of killing a man?



Spin that anyway you want... but a man is dead.. he did not just magically miracle his ass into a casket.

Like I said before I hope YOU do not run into a situation where you once believed the officers have the right to blow your ass away[:/]


I prefer my police officers to serve and protect.... not judge and execute.

I guess your milage DOES vary.

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Sorry.. but the officers ARE guilty of killing a man



That's odd. A judge didn't seem to have the same findings as you. 3 officers were found not guilty. Did you try their case in different court? In this different court that where their case was held, were you the judge of that court that found them guilty of killing a man?

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I dont think they should have that right.



No one in this world has a right to kill anyone, cops or any LEO. In this case, judge cooperman found that they had every right according to their sop to continue shooting until the threat was eliminated.

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and the incredible invisible gun



Judge cooperman didn't concentrate on an invisible gun. That night good ol' boyscout sean decided to use his car as a deadly weapon.

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The EXCUSES they used of the car trying to run them over



What you seem to regard as an EXCUSE, a competent judge found them not guilty of all charges.


I have a question for you. Why are you hell bent on trying someone who's been tried and served their time?

Sean Bell was never tried for using his car as a weapon. He was busy being dead. What IS your major fascination with this?

Have you ever been locked up? I hope you haven't, because that means (according to your posts) that you will never be redeemed.

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Why are you hell bent on trying someone who's been tried and served their time?



Why are you hell bent on trying cops who have been acquitted on all charges?

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Sean Bell was never tried for using his car as a weapon.



He was never tried because you can't prosecute a deceased person.

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Have you ever been locked up? I hope you haven't, because that means (according to your posts) that you will never be redeemed.



I Never have been arrested and I will try my best not to get arrested.

Serving less than 4 years for possession of a firearm, drug sales, drug possession and armed robbery does not redeem these boyscouts. They did not serve the full extent of their sentence. They were REPEAT OFFENDERS who were paroled way too early.

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No thanks. Knock yourself out.

Taking things kind of personal, aren't we? Even this guy doesn't protest the verdict:Dr. Boyce Watkins "I am not trying to make a verdict on the sean bell case because I was not there! I refuse to make a verdict in that case!"
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Serving less than 4 years for possession of a firearm, drug sales, drug possession and armed robbery does not redeem these boyscouts. They did not serve the full extent of their sentence. They were REPEAT OFFENDERS who were paroled way too early.
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So what you're saying here is that the system is too lenient? Maybe judges can fuck up?

MAYBE because they were 1st, 2nd, or 3rd offenses they were released WITH GOOD BEHAVIOR....sorry if that doesn't fit into your scheme of things, but the legal system doesn't really care what YOU think.

..and you really should stop tying to bury a guy thats already dead..its tacky and makes you look as if you're on a holier than thou mission. I'm sure you stole pretzel money in the 3rd grade; lied on a good friend, acted like you were someone else...something.

In other words...lay off..get a life..let the case stay where it is already. As you suggested to me, why don't YOU get involved..go out and protest and hold up a 'they were not Boy Scouts' sign and stop reading blogs. Sharpton will be glad to see you and good luck. Just don't speed....~~April


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So what you're saying here is that the system is too lenient? Maybe judges can fuck up?



If they get paroled early, that's because of the parole board, not the judges.

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sorry if that doesn't fit into your scheme of things, but the legal system doesn't really care what YOU think.



You should really take up your own advice when crying about about boyscouts not getting justice and cops getting away with, as you put it, murder.

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go out and protest and hold up a 'they were not Boy Scouts' sign and stop reading blogs



I don't need to protest. A judge already found these boyscouts not to be credible witnesses. What's there to protest?

I'm not trying to bury a dead man. I think the public should know the truth, do you have something against a person that broadcasts the truth? I brought facts to the table and I backed it up with proof and that's that.
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Whatever. My point is that you're being a tad ghoulish.

And dead men tell no 'facts' as you put them. People go to jail and serve their time, in a case like this, the past doesn't matter because they 3 guys in the car felt THEIR lives were in danger by a gang of about 15 guys (only 3 went to trial) of guys who were in the bar earlier...drinking.

You're looking at the 'spin' and continuing it. don't you have something else to do besides dig up 'facts' on this?

...and for you to say earlier that had they STAYED their whole terms 'this wouldn't have happened'. Yeah, and no other patrons would have gotten shot after leaving that strip club. . It could have happened to someone ELSE. It was over anxious to say the least and reckless nonetheless. Is it because they had criminal records that makes you feel its justified? What if they didn't? Then where would you stand? Never mind, you're in your element!

But I'm done. Have fun with your fact finding.~~April


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Yeah, and no other patrons would have gotten shot after leaving that strip club. . It could have happened to someone ELSE. It was over anxious to say the least and reckless nonetheless.



Coulda, shoulda, woulda....are you foretelling the future? How can you possibly know if this could have happened to someone else?

In your words exactly: You're looking at the 'spin' and continuing it.

I can't believe that you honestly think that these boyscouts did their time and were rehabilitated. You are really naive. For your information, Joseph Guzman within a week after he got shot, beat up his wife to a bloody pulp. How's that for rehabilitation for you? He served his time well, don't you think?

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But I'm done. Have fun with your fact finding.



I'm done here too. You really shouldn't take this all so personal.
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