Is Hillary Done?

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It must suck when your mom says, "We'd like to cut your hair, Honey, because mom needs a body double for appearances."

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Is there a reason that she will be more successful in implementing her healthcare plan now than when she was "co-President" for 8 years previously?

It's a different plan, and there is more popular support for healthcare reform.

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I see no "charisma" from Hillary.

Not much argument about that from me.

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I also don't see any truth behind Hillary's new persona.

I don't see any more or any less from Sen. Clinton than from Sen. Obama.

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The "new" Hillary who is doing camera-moments in bars hoisting a few brews? Ummm... yeah. That's her.

It was pandering, just like when Obama tried to pass himself off as a bowler.

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Her "charisma" is so manufactured that it comes off as less believable than a Saturday morning cartoon.

Sen. Obama isn't looking so fresh in that department, either.

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>Oregon is not in the democrat party strategy.

Hmm. I think any sane strategy includes all states that have electoral votes.

I don't disagree with that. But the democrat stronghold cities of LA, NYC, Chicago swing the biggest chunk of electoral votes at once. I'm talking about the common practice at work here...I'm sure you know what I mean.

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>Still, if Sen. Obama has the goods, it should have been over by now.

Why? They are both quite popular candidates. Can you not conceive of a contest (in either party) where two potential candidates "have the goods?"

Out of the three left in the race, I don't think any of them have the goods, and as a registered republican, I'm a bit miffed about that.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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This just in: Hillary's latest apology.

Heil Hillary has now apologized for having said the 1968 assasination of Robert F. Kennedy is one of the reasons she's staying in the race. She "hopes she hasn't offended, or caused pain" to the Kennedy family. As if Ted's brain tumor wasn't bad enough.

Nice going, Heil Hillary !

Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity !

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Heil Hillary has now apologized for having said the 1968 assasination of Robert F. Kennedy is one of the reasons she's staying in the race. She "hopes she hasn't offended, or caused pain" to the Kennedy family. As if Ted's brain tumor wasn't bad enough.

Not specific to her, but would anyone else be thrilled if a VIP made an apology that was real, not one that says - 'IF my really hurtful remarks hurt you, I'm sorry,' almost implying it's your fault for having a thin skin?

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I cannot help but wonder whether Hillary has dirt on superdelegates and on those on the DNC Rules committee. She's still hoping that the Michigan and Florida delegates will be seated.

From ABC NEws
"In January, when Michigan and Florida held their primaries, it seemed the party's decision to strip the states of their delegates would serve as a symbolic punishment with little actual influence on the race. At that time, both Clinton and Illinois Sen. Barack Obama agreed to play by the party's rules and Obama went so far as to remove his name from the ballot in Michigan.

"The race has markedly changed since then and Clinton wants the party's 30-member Rules and Bylaws Committee to overturn its decision when it meets May 30. She says the party should count all of Michigan and Florida's delegates -- 368 in all.

"Clinton's Case for Seating Mich., Fla.WATCH: Dem Delegate MathWATCH: Bottom Line on the Dem Race"Some say that counting Florida and Michigan would be changing the rules," she told supporters in Boca Raton, Fla., Wednesday. "I say that not counting Michigan and Florida is changing a central governing rule of this country."

later in the article:

"In the early days of the campaign she said Michigan would not count.

"It's clear," Clinton told New Hampshire Public Radio in the fall, "this election [Michigan is] having is not going to count for anything. I personally did not think it made any difference whether or not my name was on the ballot."

This is the part that gets me the most. If it was important, she wouldn't have agreed not to campaign there. Of course, she ALSO was the candidate who chose NOT to remove herself from Michigan's ballot. Probably strategic planning on her part.

for goodness sake, members of her campaign staff, like McAuliffe, helped write the rule in the first place.

It is this type of gamesmanship and bending the rules that is absolutely horrifying from a leader. She is speaking this over and over again. Does she actually BELIEVE What she is saying?

Wolfson is arguing that seating the delegates would support a "bedrock principle" of free government. Shit. It wasn't that important to her when she thought it wouldn't count, now was it?

So the Kennedy assassination keeps her going. Or Susan B Anthony - the suffrage of the women of Florida is paramount. Yeah, that's the ticket.

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This is my favorite part of the article.

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Meanwhile, Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., a staunch Clinton supporter, said Friday that she believes that if Obama becomes the nominee he should select Clinton as his running mate.

"I think as this race has emerged each one of them has garnered a different constituency and different states, and therefore when you put the two of them together it forms, I believe, the strongest ticket," she told The Associated Press in a phone interview.

"Women feel very strongly about Hillary and African-Americans feel very strongly about Barack, and the election results show that, and the young versus old, the higher educated versus the working person. ... All these things are sort of separated out into one or the other so there is a logic in combining the two constituencies."

So... the idea is that if both of them are on the same ticket that it combines the voting constituencies.
However, if you are one of Hillary's theoretical "working class" constituents and Obama is the actual President, how does that help you? (At least Hillary may stop by and slam a few beers with the local good ol' boys, like she has always done )

If they have polar opposite constituencies, then one group gets ignored. Working class vs educated voters, was mentioned.

I guess nobody is thinking about this really.

The Reps must be calling up Hillary every day, begging her to join Obama's ticket. Meanwhile, Obama is handing out garlic necklaces to the staff.

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It is this type of gamesmanship and bending the rules that is absolutely horrifying from a leader. She is speaking this over and over again.

Could you please provide a definition of "is"?

Rule bending? She is merely clarifying the rules that she made earlier. I believe that she "mis-spoke earlier and she apologizes for any confusion that it may have caused".

Her staff just cut-and-pastes that line into press releases. It's kind of like a disclaimer at the end of a car advertisement (but less dignified).

Does she actually BELIEVE What she is saying?
Too funny.

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If Obama *does* become President with Hillary as VP, anyone giving odds on how long before he gets "Fostered"?

Mike
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This just in: Hillary's latest apology.

Heil Hillary has now apologized for having said the 1968 assasination of Robert F. Kennedy is one of the reasons she's staying in the race. She "hopes she hasn't offended, or caused pain" to the Kennedy family. As if Ted's brain tumor wasn't bad enough.

Nice going, Heil Hillary !

The sick thing is its not even the first time she brought it up:

http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/05/hillarys_bizarre_rfk_comment.html

Don't you just love those politicos who try to make hay off of other people's tragedies? It was bad enough before, you'd think she would catch a clue about how inappropriate it would be now.

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Larry The Cable Guy (a US comedian who plays a redneck) has a gag where he repeatedly says some things that are offensive, and then says, "Lord, I apologize..."

Of course, he's just a comedian and he's not really apologizing because he means to make the offensive jokes. Because he's a comedian, we don't take him seriously.

To recap:
- He's making outrageous statements.
- He apologizes.
- They aren't really sincere apologies.

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>Heil Hillary has now apologized for having said the 1968 assasination of
>Robert F. Kennedy is one of the reasons she's staying in the race.

Again? March 2008:

"No, I really can't. I think people have short memories. Primary contests used to last a lot longer. We all remember the great tragedy of Bobby Kennedy being assassinated in June in L.A. My husband didn't wrap up the nomination in 1992 until June."

Let's hope there are no Hillary supporters out there who take matters into their own hands.

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Let's hope there are no Hillary supporters out there who take matters into their own hands.

Hillary supporters are probably an angry lot.


The Republicans are providing so much security for Hillary that they'd never get through to her.

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Obama knew to stay outta Kaintucky. I'm sure if someone capped him she'd respond as her husband did to the death of Ron Brown.

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Obama knew to stay outta Kaintucky. I'm sure if someone capped him she'd respond as her husband did to the death of Ron Brown.

Oh, you mean the smiling and laughing, then pretending to wipe a tear once he realized the cameras were on him?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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Obama knew to stay outta Kaintucky. I'm sure if someone capped him she'd respond as her husband did to the death of Ron Brown.

Oh, you mean the smiling and laughing, then pretending to wipe a tear once he realized the cameras were on him?

Perhaps.

But then, I'd suppose that she'd be telling the superdelegates that now she really DOES have a mandate. And those traitors who went against her will face the consequences.

To appeal to the religious side, she'd likely mention that it was God's will - he caused Obama to be struck down, and now she has a holy mandate. And a warning to McCain - he's next because God is looking to take out all Antichrists.

To appeal to the working folks, she'd mention that had there been socialized medicine, Obama would have survived.

TO appeal to Obama's base, she'd mention that she will carry out a vision of change. Shit's gonna be different people. Never before has a president chugged beer at the union hall.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

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Only if she doesn't get assasinated sometime in June. You know, like Robert Kennedy.....

Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity !

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It was highly disingenious of her to speak about 1968 and 1992 going into June. Of course they did - California's primary was the first Tuesday in June until 2004. Then it went to March, and now February, since our state officials are acting just as childishly as the others (save Florida and Michigan).

June then is April (or March) now.

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A federal judge dismissed a case that challenged the DNC's stripping of delegates from Florida.

http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_News/2008/05/28/judge_tosses_fla_delegate_suit/1392/

Still, there is the Rules Committee meeting on Saturday. We'll see what happens, but DNC lawyers have already issued an opinion. A memo providing a legal analysis stated the opinion that the rules Committee has the authority to seat restore florida and Michigan Delegates, but not to seat them at the convention - which is what Hillary wants.

So, seating half of the delegates is the best they can do. BUT - how will the delegates be apportioned? That's ANOTHER tricky issue.

But here's why hillary isn't done - there is and option for how to seat 100 percent of florida and Michigan delegates. The Credentials Committee, which meets in July, I think, may make a recommendation to seat all of the Delegates from MI and FL. But then the recommendation has to be approved by the Convention on the first day. "Oh, boy! A scrap on the convention floor! Get some popcorn. Yeah, BOY!!!"

The Credentials Committee Report is the first item of business at the Convention.

I can see Hillary picking a fight on the Convention Floor. The only way this can be prevented is if the Credentials Committee does NOT make the recommendation.

It'll still be interesting.

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It's disgusting, and it's low. Right up Hillary's ally.

As someone who's left leaning, I'm downright appauled.

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The Credentials Committee Report is the first item of business at the Convention.

If things started to head in that direction, I wonder if the Superdelegates would take matters into their own hands and pledge in order to avoid a confrontation. I mean, the media can whip almost any comment into a circus act. Just think what they could do with a few actually controversial comments or pics.
IMO, Hillary needs to take the high road and figure a way to bow out. She's relying on "fuzzy math" for the win and we all know how that can turn out.

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IMO, Hillary needs to take the high road and...

buy a case of beer.

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Yeah, she'd definitely owe for that, wouldn't she?

I found this cartoon sums up the Democratic race pretty well....

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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Hey, regardless of what you think about them at least the dems are having a race between two strong candidates. Beats the R's version which can be summed up in two words:
"dissolution" and "capitulation".

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at least the dems are having a race between two strong candidates.

Definitely a matter of opinion.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706