The Senate Phase 2 report on misuse of available intel on Iraqi WMD-Is it high-treason?

[Darius11 12]

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Who manipulated it before Bush?

I don’t know. I don’t remember any serious plans to go to war with Iraq. I am sure there was tension there has always been tension just like we have right now with Iran. However when more and more evidence is shown that the plan to go to war with Iraq was thought of first and then the reasons for it were drawn up. That is dishonest with intent.


Also who made the discussion to go to war? I was not in The White House but the man in charge when the decision was made was GWB. He also seemed he was al for the decision.

That’s why they are to blame. For misleading with intent (wanting to go to war with Iraq) and making the decision.

I honestly don’t get why it is so hard to believe that the people who made the decision would be the people held responsible.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[mnealtx 0]

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that the plan to go to war with Iraq was thought of first

Please LEARN about military planning BEFORE you shoot your mouth off. I suppose the term 'contingency planning' doesn't ring a bell with you either?

There are literally TONS of files of war plans at the Pentagon - that doesn't mean we're going to invade every country in the world.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[Darius11 12]

“shoot my mouth off” ???????


Touchy touchy!!


Maybe you misunderstood.

They had decided THEY WANT TO INVADE IRAQ that is more then a plan. The decision was made and then the facts were played with and any thing that would not result in a war or support going to war would not be looked at or worst not shown to anyone else. They miss-lead their own people. Notice all the books coming out? Oh yea off course there all disgruntled employees now.

They lied to every one to execute a plan their plan.

Do you understand the difference between having a contingency plan as all governments do and making a decision to mislead the nation so you can start a war? Do you see the difference or not?

So when I shoot my mouth off I actually use ration and haven’t forgotten the bullshit that was handed to us. I don’t seem to understand why people, the same people who were so sure any one against the war is a traitor can’t seem to get REALITY.

No one was more betrayed then the people who supported the war you were all used cause it is easy to use people who think a yellow ribbon means you’re an American and not having one means you’re a terrorist.
They played everyone and fucked all of us.

Oh yea I think there is few groups that were more betrayed then anyone else. Our Troops their families, and the Iraqi people.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[mnealtx 0]

Then maybe you shouldn't have made it sound like 'it was already planned'.... since there are "plans" that cover ALL SORTS of contingencies.

I'm sorry - if you're trying to say 'it's all Bush's fault', Im not going to agree. Congress (both sides of the aisle) is equally complicit, because they passed the resolution.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[SpeedRacer 1]

The plan to go to war against Iraq was far more than just routine contingency planning.

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[warpedskydiver 0]

And your proof is?

All contingency plans can be made into an actual plan.

The only requirement is to be acted upon.

[kelpdiver 2]

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The plan to go to war against Iraq was far more than just routine contingency planning.

I believe the truth is that from 1991 on, we intended to oust Hussein if the opportunity presented itself. It didn't for Clinton, it did for Bush.

[JackC 0]

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I believe the truth is that from 1991 on, we intended to oust Hussein if the opportunity presented itself. It didn't for Clinton, it did for Bush.

That is probably it. Except that the opportunity required rather a lot of persuasion to get it to present itself. That persuasion, or spin (aka lies) is why impeachment is an option.

I personally think it is wrong to have a standing intention to go to war and simply wait for the opportunity to present itself, but it is downright unforgivable to lie in order to force that opportunity.

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That is probably it. Except that the opportunity required rather a lot of persuasion to get it to present itself. That persuasion, or spin (aka lies) is why impeachment is an option.

Only if Congress acted only because of the lies. I believe they used the propaganda to justify their acceptance of the Bush actions. I don't believe for a second that the WMD threat was the reason they made their votes.

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Only if Congress acted only because of the lies. I believe they used the propaganda to justify their acceptance of the Bush actions. I don't believe for a second that the WMD threat was the reason they made their votes.

I agree that the WMD threat probably wasn't the true reason but it was the stated reason. If we went to war for reasons other than the the stated one, that would constitute a deception. If someone intentionally deceives knowing that lives will be lost as a result, I'd call that pretty fucking despicable and definately worthy of an inquiry.

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Only if Congress acted only because of the lies. I believe they used the propaganda to justify their acceptance of the Bush actions. I don't believe for a second that the WMD threat was the reason they made their votes.

How much this influenced Congress, I don't know. But it was obviously a major part of the administration's plan.
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[hairyjuan 0]

Depleted uranium is a WMD that we are using in Iraq. Radioactivity from it's use is showing up in Britain.


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