maadmax 0
The111 1
QuoteAs a believer, I know there is a judgment. As a non-believer, you believe there is no judgment.
You have labeled belief as knowledge, and non-belief as belief. Backwards x2.
lurch 0
Ryno, you also have it backwards yet another way... I'm an atheist. Yours is just one of many religions none of which make much sense when viewed critically. I go by knowledge taken from objective reality. I don't "believe there is no judgement" because belief has no part in my awareness of its absence. I know that I have seen no evidence whatsoever to lead me to think there would BE one of any kind, let alone the specific christian flavored judgement you insist is reality. And the intensity of your belief is strong enough that you are openly claiming with a straight face to have personal knowledge of the thoughts desires intentions value systems and behavior of an assumed creator of the universe. This is not rational. If it involves belief, it is not knowledge. You can't have a conversation about what IS without using facts and you can't have a reasonable discussion without using reason. You're not using either one.
-B
Once again you completly miss the point and avoid responding to a logical topic. The point, again, is that it is the act of having hope that you are percieving to get benefit from. Could be a hope in the Christian God, Zues , Allah, or the sketti monster, it doesnt matter. If that gives you the jollies, then go for it, but don't try to convince others that it is right for them (which is one of the core beliefs of Christians
)
Ahh, before I said I was not going to dignify your absurb posts with a further reply and I mean it this time.
QuoteMatt, he's not going to get it, he doesn't distinguish between belief and reality the way we do.
Ryno, you also have it backwards yet another way... I'm an atheist. Yours is just one of many religions none of which make much sense when viewed critically. I go by knowledge taken from objective reality. I don't "believe there is no judgement" because belief has no part in my awareness of its absence. I know that I have seen no evidence whatsoever to lead me to think there would BE one of any kind, let alone the specific christian flavored judgement you insist is reality. And the intensity of your belief is strong enough that you are openly claiming with a straight face to have personal knowledge of the thoughts desires intentions value systems and behavior of an assumed creator of the universe. This is not rational. If it involves belief, it is not knowledge. You can't have a conversation about what IS without using facts and you can't have a reasonable discussion without using reason. You're not using either one.
-B
+1
Actually, +1.5 because my beliefs hold up to criticism from science
lurch 0
You never did address the reason I spoke up in the first place though... You openly stated that people who think they deserve life must understand that they deserve just the opposite. Do you not see this as wrong? Think about it man, do you have any idea what that kind of corrosive belief would do to the mind of a child if you infected them with it? They can't create handle or process the kind of elaborate rhetorical "what the definition of "is" is" mental gymnastics necessary to try to turn a thought like that into something they can draw hope from.... They'll simply understand that Daddy just told them they deserve to die, even God thinks so.
You could easily kill a kid that way. If any kid you ever said that to ever suicides, they're doing exactly what you convinced them God wants and will make you theoretically if not legally guilty of murder. I'd suggest reevaluating your ideas.
-B
On second thought, there may be a practical reason for this kind of self propagating belief: Natural selection.
Ryno you may actually be helping evolution improve the species by direct application of survival of the fittest.... any child strong minded enough to reject the idea as fundamentally incompatible with their basic survival functions, lives. Any child weak minded enough to try to believe in and live up to "deserves just the opposite" dies easily, possibly automatically if they're prone to depression, thus eliminating themselves before they can breed and leaving the gene pool open to the strong, who will of course then fight among themselves for space in it. Its brutal, but its about the only rational explanation I can think of for propagating an idea like that. There are better ways to improve the species, Ryno. You could just run around passing out candy to fat kids.
As for the deserving death comment, I said it to express that life is a gift and everything we have is a gift, this is to inspire humbleness...or did you give yourself life? Did you create your own opprotunity?....life has an origin, a beginning and it has shown that it takes life to GIVE life, and Jesus, who is Life has come to give us more through an understanding and perception of life itself. But while you ponder how many errors you see in my thought process, why dont you tell me what you did/do to deserve your gift of life.
QuoteOnce again you completly miss the point and avoid responding to a logical topic. The point, again, is that it is the act of having hope that you are percieving to get benefit from. Could be a hope in the Christian God, Zues , Allah, or the sketti monster, it doesnt matter. If that gives you the jollies, then go for it, but don't try to convince others that it is right for them (which is one of the core beliefs of Christians
)
Ahh, before I said I was not going to dignify your absurb posts with a further reply and I mean it this time.
Listen, I dont enjoy engaging you anymore than you do me, so I wouldnt flatter yourself so much
....but, Much of your intelligences, though graceful in sound, have absolutely no substance at all when someone is searching for the deeper aspects of the human spirit. Many of you offer nothing but quesitons about evidence and proof, while never submitting to you not having evidnece or proof to the contrary.
Faith on the other hand, while completely ridiculous to your ears, offers me an endless depth of understanding, perception, and spiritual revelation in which I apply to my everyday life with incredible and indescribable sucesses. Life has made one of its greatest qualites something that cannot be bought, or even taught, but only given. While faith is completely ridiculous to many of you, dont you think it is at least slightly intriguing that it has so much power over the mind of man? Faith in Christ is not about how much you can destroy, but how much love you can let in from love itself. There is no act of hope, you either have it, or you dont. Again, we have our hope through love, so it is the love that carries the true power. I dont believe that love is just an act...do you?
One of the good pleasures of God is giving the gift of himself to the humble, to those who are like little children. I really didnt know what Jesus meant when he said that, but as I type these words, It is being revealed more and more. "You have hidden these things from the wise and the learned and revealed them to the little children, yes Father, for this was your good pleasure".
QuoteQuoteAs a believer, I know there is a judgment. As a non-believer, you believe there is no judgment.
You have labeled belief as knowledge, and non-belief as belief. Backwards x2.
Your intelligence will make it harder and harder to find faith. You clearly are very smart, like JCD, but seriously, what does this have to do with anything? Nevertheless, belief comes from knowledge and non-belief is a type of belief. For example, you believe there is no God based on the knowledge you have believed, and your disbelief is still a belief. Yeah, im pretty sure JCD taught me that one with his intelligence. Again, none of this has any substance, its simply an expression of prideful inteligence...ego,
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI had no idea that Jesus would heal my outside as well as the inside, but surer than I am real, he did.
Define heal.
When the flesh is in pain it can be healed. When the soul is in pain, it can be healed as well. My flesh was addicted to many things, the healing of my soul healed my addictions as well.
You didn't define heal.
heal |hēl|
verb [ trans. ]
(of a person or treatment) cause (a wound, injury, or person) to become sound or healthy again : his concern is to heal sick people | [as adj. ] ( healing) a healing effect on the entire body | [as n. ] ( healing) the gift of healing.
• [ intrans. ] become sound or healthy again : he would have to wait until his knee had healed.
• alleviate (a person's distress or anguish) : time can heal the pain of grief.
• correct or put right (an undesirable situation) : the rift between them was never really healed.
I didnt desire to be addicted to anything, but I was. Jesus removed that desire, he healed me by revealing a greater desire, God.
lurch 0
I appear to have made the mistake of bringing a gatling gun to a pillowfight. My bad.
Good luck with that whole god thing, hope it works out for ya...
-B
jcd11235 0
QuoteYour intelligence will make it harder and harder to find faith. You clearly are very smart, like JCD, but seriously, what does this have to do with anything? Nevertheless, belief comes from knowledge and non-belief is a type of belief. For example, you believe there is no God based on the knowledge you have believed, and your disbelief is still a belief. Yeah, im pretty sure JCD taught me that one with his intelligence. Again, none of this has any substance, its simply an expression of prideful inteligence...ego,
I am under the impression that you did not understand my posts.
jcd11235 0
QuoteI didnt desire to be addicted to anything, but I was. Jesus removed that desire …
Or at least replaced it.
QuoteQuoteI didnt desire to be addicted to anything, but I was. Jesus removed that desire …
Or at least replaced it.
Yes, removed and replaced. Like when you take out an old car part and replace it with a new one.
The111 1
QuoteFor example, you believe there is no God
Once again you wrongly assume things about other posters in this thread. Humble? Nah.
I'm not an atheist.
maadmax 0
Please, describe the parameters of your spiritual/philosophical viewpoint.
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