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But WHICH god do you subscribe to, and what if you choose the wrong one? You might just really piss off Odin.

I don't know that Pascal addressed that question. A shortcoming in his logic, perhaps.

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Humans have got far beyond attributing things we don't yet understand to invisible supernatural beings. Well, the smart ones have.

That's actually a rude and unfair comment John.
I'm know of quite a lot of VERY intelligent people Biologists and Physicists included that have a believe in God.
I don't agree with them but i would never suggest that they are not smart.

I think you didn't read my statement carefully enough.

and that is a condescending reply. I have read it as carefully as i know how, and i still find it rude.

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Ah, Pascal's Wager! An excellent compromise overall***

Not much of a wager for me. I have nothing to lose and everything to gain. Of course in your case , you have nothing to gain, and everything to loose.
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But WHICH god do you subscribe to, and what if you choose the wrong one? You might just really piss off Odin.

I don't know that Pascal addressed that question. A shortcoming in his logic, perhaps.

Yes, and he also seems to assume that God would not be smart enough to know if he truly believed or if he was pretending to believe "just in case."

I don't know. I guess the wager might make someone feel more comfortable if they're on the fence about whether to believe or not. But it doesn't seem very logical to me.

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But WHICH god do you subscribe to, and what if you choose the wrong one? You might just really piss off Odin.

I don't know that Pascal addressed that question. A shortcoming in his logic, perhaps.

Yes, and he also seems to assume that God would not be smart enough to know if he truly believed or if he was pretending to believe "just in case."

I don't know. I guess the wager might make someone feel more comfortable if they're on the fence about whether to believe or not. But it doesn't seem very logical to me.

You'll have to take that up with Pascal. I didn't make the wager.

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You'll have to take that up with Pascal. I didn't make the wager.

Well, when I run into him in Hell, I'll be sure to ask him about it.

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Humans have got far beyond attributing things we don't yet understand to invisible supernatural beings. Well, the smart ones have.

That's actually a rude and unfair comment John.
I'm know of quite a lot of VERY intelligent people Biologists and Physicists included that have a believe in God.
I don't agree with them but i would never suggest that they are not smart.

I think you didn't read my statement carefully enough.

and that is a condescending reply. I have read it as carefully as i know how, and i still find it rude.

I think the bolding above shows the point that kallend was making... I'm not going to make any comment about condescension or lack thereof.

Mike
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There is no evidence that there is anything for you to gain. With out any evidence you are wasting your time believing in a fairy tale***

If you would like a little review on cosmology and quantum theory read SHAARKs post again. Evidence exists that there is a lot of stuff out there we don't understand. Which is a fact. I believe that God communicated information to us 2000 years ago so we could make the most of life in this dimension and in the dimensions to come. In stead of sticking my head in the sand, I am going to listen to Him. My bet is that what ever is out there, will be beyond our wildest imagination.

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There is no evidence that there is anything for you to gain. With out any evidence you are wasting your time believing in a fairy tale***

If you would like a little review on cosmology and quantum theory read SHAARKs post again. Evidence exists that there is a lot of stuff out there we don't understand. Which is a fact. I believe that God communicated information to us 2000 years ago so we could make the most of life in this dimension and in the dimensions to come. In stead of sticking my head in the sand, I am going to listen to Him. My bet is that what ever is out there, will be beyond our wildest imagination.

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Ok - so you're sticking your head in the sand for everything BUT whatever information that believe "God communicated to us 2000 years ago"?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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You assume that you have wager on the correct God, there are many to choose from.. you still have everythig to loose***

I certainly have considered the possibility of many deities, who knows. I do know and believe that when Jesus said He was going to prepare a place for me, that He is more than able to do it.

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Humans have got far beyond attributing things we don't yet understand to invisible supernatural beings. Well, the smart ones have.

That's actually a rude and unfair comment John.
I'm know of quite a lot of VERY intelligent people Biologists and Physicists included that have a believe in God.
I don't agree with them but i would never suggest that they are not smart.

I think you didn't read my statement carefully enough.

and that is a condescending reply. I have read it as carefully as i know how, and i still find it rude.

I think the bolding above shows the point that kallend was making... I'm not going to make any comment about condescension or lack thereof.

I am well aware of the intent of the bolding, I also stand by my original reply, there are many many very intelligent people who believe in a GOD as the creator.
I'm not one of them but it does not mean that those that do are not smart, Kallends comment is rude inappropriate and wrong.

You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky)
My Life ROCKS!
How's yours doing?

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Ok - so you're sticking your head in the sand for everything BUT whatever information that believe "God communicated to us 2000 years ago***

Not at all. But I have settled on what I think is the most credible and true. If you have some information let it rip, I am all ears.

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Ok - so you're sticking your head in the sand for everything BUT whatever information that believe "God communicated to us 2000 years ago***

Not at all. But I have settled on what I think is the most credible and true. If you have some information let it rip, I am all ears.

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That's EXACTLY what you said, though - "In stead of sticking my head in the sand, I am going to listen to Him."

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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That's EXACTLY what you said, though - "In stead of sticking my head in the sand, I am going to listen to Him."***

I will not deny it, I did say that, but you lost me on what ever point you are trying to make.

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That's EXACTLY what you said, though - "In stead of sticking my head in the sand, I am going to listen to Him."***

I will not deny it, I did say that, but you lost me on what ever point you are trying to make.

Irony - you say you aren't going to stick your head in the sand, while simultaneously doing exactly that over anything information that wasn't given to you via the Scripture.

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Humans have got far beyond attributing things we don't yet understand to invisible supernatural beings. Well, the smart ones have.

That's actually a rude and unfair comment John.
I'm know of quite a lot of VERY intelligent people Biologists and Physicists included that have a believe in God.
I don't agree with them but i would never suggest that they are not smart.

I think you didn't read my statement carefully enough.

and that is a condescending reply. I have read it as carefully as i know how, and i still find it rude.

Sucks to be you, I guess.

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Sucks to be you, I guess.

Read my sigline old man, quite the contrary, it ROCKS to be meYou do seem to get rather pissy when flaws are pointed out though,

You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky)
My Life ROCKS!
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Irony - you say you aren't going to stick your head in the sand, while simultaneously doing exactly that over anything information that wasn't given to you via the Scripture***

OK, I will ask you once again to give me some new and relevant information, I am all ears. I consider anything and everything I hear.

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There is no evidence that there is anything for you to gain. With out any evidence you are wasting your time believing in a fairy tale***

If you would like a little review on cosmology and quantum theory read SHAARKs post again. Evidence exists that there is a lot of stuff out there we don't understand. Which is a fact. I believe that God communicated information to us 2000 years ago so we could make the most of life in this dimension and in the dimensions to come. In stead of sticking my head in the sand, I am going to listen to Him. My bet is that what ever is out there, will be beyond our wildest imagination.

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Because there is lots that we don't understand does not mean there is a god. You use faulty logic to arrive at your conclusion.

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Well, when I run into him in Hell, I'll be sure to ask him about it.

Say hello for me. I'll be feeding worms.

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Ask the helpless alcoholic who's life has been transformed by a personal relationship with Jesus at any of the daily AA meetings around the world if there is absolutely no evidence.

So let's make it clear - did they have Jesus present on this AA meeting?
How could they confirm that "his life has been transformed by a personal relationship with Jesus", not just by the fact that he understood the drinking problem - as he was present on AA meeting?

Don't forget also that clinical studies showed that prayer had no effect on post-surgery patients - i.e. the Christian patients who prayed did not heal better or faster than non-Christians who didn't. How would you explain this?

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Yes your right...in the old testament, but in the new testament, he relents and saves with his own blood.

You know, in the Old Testament, God was full of Wroth and Vengeance. You did bad stuff, he rained brimstone down on your ungrateful ass or harrassed your people with 7 plagues.
In the New Testament, its like he has turned over a new leaf, you don't hear some much of the nasty things he did to his people (because if you believe in it, everyone on earth is his creation)
You know what happened around the time between the New Testament and the Old Testament?
He got laid.

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Evidence exists that there is a lot of stuff out there we don't understand YET.

Fixed it for ya.

If you show a TV, a camera or a cell phone to the people of some tribe who never heard about those things, they would never understand it as well. Does it mean that those things are somehow related to God?

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You assume that you have wager on the correct God, there are many to choose from.. you still have everythig to loose.

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Yes your right...in the old testament, but in the new testament, he relents and saves with his own blood.

You know, in the Old Testament, God was full of Wroth and Vengeance. You did bad stuff, he rained brimstone down on your ungrateful ass or harrassed your people with 7 plagues.
In the New Testament, its like he has turned over a new leaf, you don't hear some much of the nasty things he did to his people (because if you believe in it, everyone on earth is his creation)
You know what happened around the time between the New Testament and the Old Testament?
He got laid.

(c) bash.org

The OT was also full of love, understanding, wisdom, mercy, and promise. The Pharisees falied to see just that. Everything has been done so that we might learn righteousness, and to this day we still have not. So rather than destroy us all, he gives us one last chance to learn righteousness by sending his own righteousness to teach us. Low and Behold, that righteousness is the spirit of grace and truth, Jesus Christ. The secret to learning righteousness is to open your heart and fill it with Gods immeasurable love. Not so that we may just do righteousness, but so that our very desire would be to become righteousness. There is something in all of us that desires this, but the world holds a veil over that desire and tells us that it is no fun, not fulfilling, not joyful, plain ect...The truth is that righteousness is what we all desire deep down and when that desire is filled we are filled with goodness and life. Righteousness is Life.

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