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This just in - a new study shows that seeing video of Democrats who supported the Iraq action causes many liberals to spill coffee on keyboards. A new Government program has been proposed by Mr. Obama to replace the keyboards. So Marc, you're off the hook.

Ah man

I dont want that program hung on me. I would rather pay for the key board myself. Anything to stop yet another gov program

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Support that definitely pre-dates the "lies."

Watch the video. It gives you the actual dates of their own words.

Look at the dates associated with the legislation.

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Obama the Inexperienced seems to have been the smart one of the bunch.
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Voting against the Iraq invasion was hardly "going with the flow", and in retrospect seems pretty smart.

Professor, I couldn't find Obama's name among those US Senators who voted against the resolution. What am I missing?

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No, I was just asking questions. Similar to the questions the hospitals, doctors, MRI centers etc., will be asking under your system. You know, the one where profit is not the main motivation, but "healthcare" is. The medical industry is no different than any other. Once the feds begin to control prices and ration care they'll lose the incentive to be better than anyone else. Gifted people won't become doctors, investment in new medical technology will decrease. These lessons have been learned in UK and Canada. Yes, more people have access, but the quality and availability is less for all. It is a socialist sham.

You are confused about Canada for one. And you assume that the quality of care is less. They do heart transplants and cancer treatment too, and the WHO ranks Canada well ahead of the USA. And I advocated a two-tiered system to service both those able to pay for it and those who are not. read: http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news03/health_costs.html

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If I make a good living and I'm happy with my home, my income, and the current tax structure (not true, but let's assume) and the feds create the US Health Care Fund (much like the way SS started) and they force me to pay into it, then yes, you are forcing me at gunpoint to pay fo you broke leg. If I don't pay in, guess who shows up at my door, and guess what they have on their hip. Now- if you make the program totally voluntary you have my support.

I am for 'volunteer' as long as YOU vote for a bill that says I do not have to pay taxes to support a war that I do not want to be part of. Sounds like anarchy to me.

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This is an argument the left brings up consistently. Here's my take - and I've already alluded to it in another post. Christ tells us to feed the poor and clothe the naked. I'll expand that to "help those who need help, even if it means a surgery." Observing how the government "helps" people and squanders huge chunks of money, I'll do everything I can to keep them out of the charity business. I believe it is much more effective on the local level, when we get to make the decisions on who needs help and how much. Considering the shape of Social Security, the deficit, the pork barrel spending, I am surprised that you care so little about your fellow man that you would put these idiots in charge of their (and your) healthcare. I would rather make my own decisions.

Observing how the government corporations "helps" people and squanders huge chunks of money, I'll do everything I can to keep them out of the charity public services business.

Considering the shape of Social Security, the deficit, the pork barrel spending, I am surprised that you would consider continuing on the same destructive path that we are on. I would rather make my own decisions (for a two-tiered socialized public healthcare system)

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People are by nature capitalists. Even those who think they are not.

I disagree. Some people actually CARE about the careers they choose. Money is not the only motivator. People want a decent life, meaningful employment, make enough to live happy, make a difference, all that stuff. SOME people want nothing but money and power.

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I have proposed a solution. Get the government the hell out of everything. Except defense and the judiciary system. Lets privatize everything else, rely on ourselves and the rule of law.

Absolutely! When that food poisoning strain breaks out or disease spreads across the country - every man for himself. No way the government should care about whether Americans die or get sick. They should only concern themselves about defending ourselves from invading forces (or those who don't but we think they might). And the rest of the budget should be spent arresting and jailing everyone who can't take care of themselves and turn to crime to survive.

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Calling someone clueless is not an insult?

Well, given your rather strong opinions about the NEA (as a 'govt agency') "or what ever that education shit house in Washington is....." it seemed apropos.

What word would you use?

Lets see, since you see the need to keep this going.

The next post indicated I used the incorrect acronym which I admitted. (but as far as I am concerned we should not have tax dollars going to either )

Many programs and agencies should be cut off or eliminated. SS is not what was intended. Neither is Medicare, medicade and on and on and on. The States are advertising to get people to come get food stamps for shits sake. (They say they have to advertise because they are not giving enough away and if they cant give it away their budgets will get cut!!?? WTF)

I have never said we should not pay taxes nor do I believe that. I do believe we are taxed too high and more money is spent on education and other programs than would not be necessary if these programs would throw out the gov employees or better yet, move it to the private sector.

So, your “ASSumptions” are unfounded and ridicules. You have not a clue so you insult (to again take a page from your book)

In accordance with all the law west of billvon, (apparently) I will not say you are clueless .......................................................


but, I sincerely question if you would get a clue during the clue mating season in a field full of horny clues if you smeared your body with clue musk and did the clue mating dance.
Oh, I think (and this may be an unfounded assumption), the word you are groping for is 'ridiculous'.

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In accordance with all the law west of billvon, (apparently) I will not say you are clueless .......................................................


but, I sincerely question if you would get a clue during the clue mating season in a field full of horny clues if you smeared your body with clue musk and did the clue mating dance.

Oh, I think (and this may be an unfounded assumption), the word you are groping for is 'ridiculous'.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Now dats some funny chit right there..... I don't care where ya are....

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So, your “ASSumptions” are unfounded and ridicules. You have not a clue so you insult (to again take a page from your book)

In accordance with all the law west of billvon, (apparently) I will not say you are clueless .......................................................


but, I sincerely question if you would get a clue during the clue mating season in a field full of horny clues if you smeared your body with clue musk and did the clue mating dance.
IF that is not ruled an insult, and a PA, then you truly are in a special protected class of posters.

To me and many others there sems to be an obvious separation of classes, and the rules are applied as such.

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I think it's pretty funny. Not necessarily accurate, but damn funny. Clueless is not a particularly nasty slam, anyway, and the horny clue gig is good stuff. Lets all lighten up. Group hug! Happy 4th!

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And I still don't understand your claim that voting with the monority AGAINST the Iraq invasion was "going with the flow". It was actually the unpopular choice.

Let's see, I'm sure I have another lure or two in this tackle box. Zzzzzing.

Proooofesssssorrrr! Are you out there? How is it that there is no record of Obama voting against the invasion?

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I read this thread title on the SC page and thought
GOOD
It's a CRAP show and the bald fucker that's on it is annoying

You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky)
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How is it that there is no record of Obama voting against the invasion?

You might try checking to see when Obama was elected to the Senate.

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Thanks, that's what I wanted the good professor to admit. I think he's avoiding us, though.

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In accordance with all the law west of billvon, (apparently) I will not say you are clueless .......................................................


but, I sincerely question if you would get a clue during the clue mating season in a field full of horny clues if you smeared your body with clue musk and did the clue mating dance.

Oh, I think (and this may be an unfounded assumption), the word you are groping for is 'ridiculous'.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Now dats some funny chit right there..... I don't care where ya are....

Wow, there are alot of fucking idiots on this board.

Please don't breed.

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Most of them already have

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Hence my issue with health care for example. It fails because the corporation's motive is money, not healthcare. Easy enough for a capitalist to say "go buy it somewhere else", but y'know what? I can't.

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Sure you can. There are different hospitals, and different insurance plans.

Hate to bring up this thread again, but guess what? Humana today DENIED my application for health insurance.

I pay $750/month for my wife and I each month. I am 6/2" 230lbs. Recently lost 25 pounds taking better care of myself. I have no health issues, low/good blood pressure, my doctor says I am fit as a fiddle. My family has no history of cancer, diabetes, heart disease of ANY kind. I have never been seriously ill.

My wife takes thyroid medication and will for the rest of her life. Yet they are offering her insurance but not me.

Now I pay $750 in a Blue Cross group plan because that is all we can get. I applied again to Humana for an HSA plan. They left my wife alone, but ran me through a battery of tests, requests for records, physicals, glucose tests, you name it. I complied with everything they asked for and today I got denied after two months of going back and forth.

Now for all of those that suggest to me that I should 'shop around' you can all kiss my ass. This system is fucked. i am fucked. i can no longer afford ANY healthcare and will probably drop the plan and take my chances with the 'I might have to declare bankruptcy someday' plan, because $9000/year is simply too much.

I cannot even sue these fucks to force them to sell me coverage.

don't suggest a 'broker' already done that

don't suggest Aetna, already been there, they will not cover me because I skydive. (as it is with most companies)

Don't suggest going back to Canada, although as I get older I just may have to. My job and career is here.

this system is FUCKED.

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don't suggest Aetna, already been there, they will not cover me because I skydive.

So it sounds to me you made a choice to skydive and not have health insurance. You can get insurance but choose not to because you would have to change your lifestyle.

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

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So it sounds to me you made a choice to skydive and not have health insurance. You can get insurance but choose not to because you would have to change your lifestyle.

in other words - the system is fucked, just like I said.

I pay more for health insurance than a 2 pack a day smoker - tell me that is right....?

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So it sounds to me you made a choice to skydive and not have health insurance. You can get insurance but choose not to because you would have to change your lifestyle.

in other words - the system is fucked, just like I said.

I pay more for health insurance than a 2 pack a day smoker - tell me that is right....?

Cause you frequently jump out of airplanes...

The system gave you a choice. Healthcare or skydiving. Don't get all pissy with the system cause you chose skydiving.

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The system gave you a choice. Healthcare or skydiving.

I have yet to see a health insurance application that asks about extreme sports. I've had no problem getting health insurance as a skydiver or scuba diver.

Now, life insurance - that's a different story.

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I have no issues getting life insurance - I don't really need it, but I can get it.

The system is still fucked. System or not, it gives me a choice - no choice. There are hundreds and thousands of skydivers out there with health insurance. The fact that I am being excluded for that is both biased and fucked.

Can't fight city hall - but you can burn it to the ground......

Skydiving is only part of it anyway. They did a physical as well. My sugar level is high - not too high, just at the high end of normal - they are adding that to the list.

Of course now that I have be 'denied' by a company, if and when I apply to another company, I have to answer the question "Have you ever been denied Health Insurance?" Well yes, now I have - and the alarm bells start going off setting off the whole process again for probably two months at a time with each company so I can go through a process just to probably get denied.

So you know what? I stand by my original post - the system is actually fucked......

Better idea, I will go back to school and be an accountant. Low risk, take public transit to work, go home every day and sit in front of the TV. When i have a cardiac in 10 years, at least I will have the health insurance to cover it.

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So it sounds to me you made a choice to skydive and not have health insurance. You can get insurance but choose not to because you would have to change your lifestyle.

in other words - the system is fucked, just like I said.

I pay more for health insurance than a 2 pack a day smoker - tell me that is right....?

i skydive, smoke, scuba dive, and have a motorcylce. i pay $390 month for great health ins 90/10 250 ded ppo plan through united health care. never been asked about anything but smoking. life insurance is different though, they do ask about all mthat shit.
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Better idea, I will go back to school and be an accountant. Low risk, take public transit to work, go home every day and sit in front of the TV. When i have a cardiac in 10 years, at least I will have the health insurance to cover it.

Now that's funny right there.

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