rushmc 23 #276 July 1, 2008 QuoteQuote National Education Association or what ever that education shit house in Washington is..... and what the hell does that matter anyway? NEA is National Endowment of the Arts - you know, the guys who give tax dollars to shit (literally) art. Perhaps a complete waste, but you can't equate their level of waste with the level of waste that is Iraq II post 2004. If we had dumped that half or full trillion dollars into energy research, the reason for the war might have disappeared by now or shortly after. If one wants to be serious about attacking the deficit, it's obvious that you start with the big items. Defense in general, and Iraq in particular are obvious targets. Entitlements are much harder given that they have revenue. And then you're left with small fry. Anything a government tries to run will be done (for the most part) badly. All the small fry you speak of end up being very large when put together. SS, medicare, and so on and so on are not what they were intended to be when created and wast billions of dollars. I would just as soon "waste" the money in Iraq if there is only a small chance it makes this country more secure. So, unless all these programs are to be looked at and many eliminated, I dont care what Iraq is costing, as that argument is well, call it what you will...."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #277 July 1, 2008 Well, you're directly admitting that Bill is correct - you are no more interested in a balanced budget than anyone else. You're only interesting in sacrificing other people's pet projects. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,028 #278 July 1, 2008 Quote Anything a government tries to run will be done (for the most part) badly. ... I would just as soon "waste" the money in Iraq if there is only a small chance it makes this country more secure. No chance, the war in Iraq has been and is being run, BADLY, by the government.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #279 July 1, 2008 Quote cool, let both sides win, cut taxes, fin The world so needs a clear winner.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #280 July 1, 2008 Quote If the order is "cut spending" then "cut taxes" I'm in. Sounds reasonable to me.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #281 July 2, 2008 QuoteWell, you're directly admitting that Bill is correct - you are no more interested in a balanced budget than anyone else. You're only interesting in sacrificing other people's pet projects. Well then, what am I thinking and or believing right now? WAFJ"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #282 July 2, 2008 QuoteYep that's why I keep trying to get them to do less, and spend less. They just don't listen very well. Especially when there is a war of convienence the NEO CONS can get us into so they can enrich themselves.. AND their friends. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #283 July 2, 2008 QuoteQuoteWell, you're directly admitting that Bill is correct - you are no more interested in a balanced budget than anyone else. You're only interesting in sacrificing other people's pet projects. Well then, what am I thinking and or believing right now? You did write your post, correct? I'm just reading your own words. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenfly00 0 #284 July 2, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteAs for the spending, yes both sides can shoulder much blame but your Iraq example is pure bunk I am not arguing the money but, the majority of the crap most conservatives rail about are the take it from the people and give it way social programs that have failed to do what was promise for the last 40 years. NEA should go away for example as well as the federal arts types of programs. If we eliminated the NEA, how many days would that money fund the war in Iraq? They have requested 176M for next year, so not even one day of war. So it seems like your mirror is bigger than bill's mirror. A hell of a lot bigger. National Education Association or what ever that education shit house in Washington is..... and what the hell does that matter anyway? The money kelpdiver was referring to was for the National Endowment for the Arts, an independent federal agancy which is partially funded with federal dollars. It's mission is "to enrich our Nation and its diverse cultural heritage by supporting works of artistic excellence, advancing learning in the arts, and strengthening the arts in communities throughout the country." In my view, money well spent in a enlightened culture. As you are not part of that culture, I can understand you taking exception to the money. The National Education Association is a labor union. While you've demonstrated you don't significantly value education either, rest easy in the knowledge they are not federally funded. I understand kelpdiver's error. It's quite difficult to interpret what you post when you, yourself, are clueless.----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TankBuster 0 #285 July 2, 2008 Just to refresh your memory. Apparently there are undercover NeoCons among the Democrats. http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h122/ricochet69/forum%20pics/?action=view¤t=dems-wmd-before-iraq.flvThe forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #286 July 2, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote As for the spending, yes both sides can shoulder much blame but your Iraq example is pure bunk I am not arguing the money but, the majority of the crap most conservatives rail about are the take it from the people and give it way social programs that have failed to do what was promise for the last 40 years. NEA should go away for example as well as the federal arts types of programs. If we eliminated the NEA, how many days would that money fund the war in Iraq? They have requested 176M for next year, so not even one day of war. So it seems like your mirror is bigger than bill's mirror. A hell of a lot bigger. National Education Association or what ever that education shit house in Washington is..... and what the hell does that matter anyway? The money kelpdiver was referring to was for the National Endowment for the Arts, an independent federal agancy which is partially funded with federal dollars. It's mission is "to enrich our Nation and its diverse cultural heritage by supporting works of artistic excellence, advancing learning in the arts, and strengthening the arts in communities throughout the country." In my view, money well spent in a enlightened culture. As you are not part of that culture, I can understand you taking exception to the money. The National Education Association is a labor union. While you've demonstrated you don't significantly value education either, rest easy in the knowledge they are not federally funded. I understand kelpdiver's error. It's quite difficult to interpret what you post when you, yourself, are clueless. Tried and true PA'sI know and understand they are not just for me. They (PA's) are for anyone having the gaul to question a liberals position or opinionAfter all, conservatives dont know what is right, ah, correct!PA away, I am used to it and being insulted is becoming a badge of honor coming from someone as tolerant as you"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenfly00 0 #287 July 2, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote As for the spending, yes both sides can shoulder much blame but your Iraq example is pure bunk I am not arguing the money but, the majority of the crap most conservatives rail about are the take it from the people and give it way social programs that have failed to do what was promise for the last 40 years. NEA should go away for example as well as the federal arts types of programs. If we eliminated the NEA, how many days would that money fund the war in Iraq? They have requested 176M for next year, so not even one day of war. So it seems like your mirror is bigger than bill's mirror. A hell of a lot bigger. National Education Association or what ever that education shit house in Washington is..... and what the hell does that matter anyway? The money kelpdiver was referring to was for the National Endowment for the Arts, an independent federal agancy which is partially funded with federal dollars. It's mission is "to enrich our Nation and its diverse cultural heritage by supporting works of artistic excellence, advancing learning in the arts, and strengthening the arts in communities throughout the country." In my view, money well spent in a enlightened culture. As you are not part of that culture, I can understand you taking exception to the money. The National Education Association is a labor union. While you've demonstrated you don't significantly value education either, rest easy in the knowledge they are not federally funded. I understand kelpdiver's error. It's quite difficult to interpret what you post when you, yourself, are clueless. Tried and true PA'sI know and understand they are not just for me. They (PA's) are for anyone having the gaul to question a liberals position or opinionAfter all, conservatives dont know what is right, ah, correct!PA away, I am used to it and being insulted is becoming a badge of honor coming from someone as tolerant as you How did I insult you? If you are going to consistently put forward views critical of public money being spent for anything other than war, police and guns, then OWN it. I apologize if I misinterpreted your views on education but I thought I had a good read on that issue in your "National Education Association or what ever that education shit house in Washington is.....". Even though you are somehow under the impression that it is publically funded, it seemed to pretty sum up your value of education ...well, that and the quality of your posts. As for spending money promoting the music, art, dance or poetry, if I misread your position on this, I sincerely apologize. The gist of my response was in pointed disagreement with your posting about things you seem to know little about and, indeed, was critical of your seemingly driving need to do so, but if it makes you happy to stand in the back of the class yelling "MODS! MODS! PA HERE! PA HERE!" who am I to come between you and your happiness?----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #288 July 2, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote As for the spending, yes both sides can shoulder much blame but your Iraq example is pure bunk I am not arguing the money but, the majority of the crap most conservatives rail about are the take it from the people and give it way social programs that have failed to do what was promise for the last 40 years. NEA should go away for example as well as the federal arts types of programs. If we eliminated the NEA, how many days would that money fund the war in Iraq? They have requested 176M for next year, so not even one day of war. So it seems like your mirror is bigger than bill's mirror. A hell of a lot bigger. National Education Association or what ever that education shit house in Washington is..... and what the hell does that matter anyway? The money kelpdiver was referring to was for the National Endowment for the Arts, an independent federal agancy which is partially funded with federal dollars. It's mission is "to enrich our Nation and its diverse cultural heritage by supporting works of artistic excellence, advancing learning in the arts, and strengthening the arts in communities throughout the country." In my view, money well spent in a enlightened culture. As you are not part of that culture, I can understand you taking exception to the money. The National Education Association is a labor union. While you've demonstrated you don't significantly value education either, rest easy in the knowledge they are not federally funded. I understand kelpdiver's error. It's quite difficult to interpret what you post when you, yourself, are clueless. Tried and true PA'sI know and understand they are not just for me. They (PA's) are for anyone having the gaul to question a liberals position or opinionAfter all, conservatives dont know what is right, ah, correct!PA away, I am used to it and being insulted is becoming a badge of honor coming from someone as tolerant as you How did I insult you? If you are going to consistently put forward views critical of public money being spent for anything other than war, police and guns, then OWN it. I apologize if I misinterpreted your views on education but I thought I had a good read on that issue in your "National Education Association or what ever that education shit house in Washington is.....". Even though you are somehow under the impression that it is publically funded, it seemed to pretty sum up your value of education ...well, that and the quality of your posts. As for spending money promoting the music, art, dance or poetry, if I misread your position on this, I sincerely apologize. The gist of my response was in pointed disagreement with your posting about things you seem to know little about and, indeed, was critical of your seemingly driving need to do so, but if it makes you happy to stand in the back of the class yelling "MODS! MODS! PA HERE! PA HERE!" who am I to come between you and your happiness? Calling someone clueless is not an insult? (to pull a trick from your bag) Are you clueless? "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #289 July 2, 2008 Hmm Refresh my memory.. What party was it that took us to war in the middle east against Iraq twice now??? Funny dat hmmmmm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #290 July 2, 2008 QuoteAnd in the prenuclear era, a desparity in economics resulted in war. And the underlying cause of that disparity? I think it was another war! I'm starting to see a pattern here ...Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenfly00 0 #291 July 2, 2008 QuoteCalling someone clueless is not an insult? Well, given your rather strong opinions about the NEA (as a 'govt agency') "or what ever that education shit house in Washington is....." it seemed apropos. What word would you use?----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TankBuster 0 #292 July 2, 2008 On January 12, 1991 the United States Congress authorized the use of military force to drive Iraq out of Kuwait. The votes were 52-47 in the US Senate and 250-183 in the US House of Representatives. The Democrats controlled both houses. The Republicans controlled both the Presidency and both houses for the most recent authorization, but they had the support (and the vote) of some pretty influencial Democrats, wouldn't you say? Support that definitely pre-dates the "lies." Does your memory have that "fresh feeling" now? Funny dat hmmmmmThe forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #293 July 2, 2008 QuoteQuoteCalling someone clueless is not an insult? Well, given your rather strong opinions about the NEA (as a 'govt agency') "or what ever that education shit house in Washington is....." it seemed apropos. What word would you use? Lets see, since you see the need to keep this going. The next post indicated I used the incorrect acronym which I admitted. (but as far as I am concerned we should not have tax dollars going to either ) Many programs and agencies should be cut off or eliminated. SS is not what was intended. Neither is Medicare, medicade and on and on and on. The States are advertising to get people to come get food stamps for shits sake. (They say they have to advertise because they are not giving enough away and if they cant give it away their budgets will get cut!!?? WTF) I have never said we should not pay taxes nor do I believe that. I do believe we are taxed too high and more money is spent on education and other programs than would not be necessary if these programs would throw out the gov employees or better yet, move it to the private sector. So, your “ASSumptions” are unfounded and ridicules. You have not a clue so you insult (to again take a page from your book)"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,008 #294 July 2, 2008 Your one warning. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #295 July 2, 2008 QuoteSupport that definitely pre-dates the "lies." Funny how the legislation gave many of the lies as reason the President was being authorized (loosely interpreted) to use force.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TankBuster 0 #296 July 2, 2008 QuoteSupport that definitely pre-dates the "lies." Watch the video. It gives you the actual dates of their own words.The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #297 July 2, 2008 QuoteQuoteSupport that definitely pre-dates the "lies." Watch the video. It gives you the actual dates of their own words. Facts dont matter to them........."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #298 July 2, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteSupport that definitely pre-dates the "lies." Watch the video. It gives you the actual dates of their own words. Facts dont matter to them......... oh, the irony! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #299 July 2, 2008 Quote Facts dont matter to them......... You owe me a fucking new ergonomic keyboard.....there is Coffee all over itThat is about the highest irony score achievable in Speakers Corner ever posted. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TankBuster 0 #300 July 2, 2008 This just in - a new study shows that seeing video of Democrats who supported the Iraq action causes many liberals to spill coffee on keyboards. A new Government program has been proposed by Mr. Obama to replace the keyboards. So Marc, you're off the hook.The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
