Obama plans to halt future weapons programs, disarm our nuclear program and protect us.

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And even if Japan and every other country I named are 'expanding their military powers', they are still a fraction of what the US has, both $$, per capita, sheer numbers, whatever way you want to look at it.

Every country you named is a western democracy. Of course we're not going to war with a western democracy. It's not the western democracies we need to be worried about. I am ALL FOR removing our military bases from western democracies. Let them pay their own way. Think how much money that would save.

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Sweden, Norway, Finland, Canada, Japan, Australia, Brazil and dozens of other countries around the world are already doing it (smaller military - not pissing off the rest of the world).

I love it when you say it cannot be done.

"Those who say it cannot be done are getting in the way of those of us that are already doing it"

The fact that Jim and Bob and Steve and Andy are all beating THEIR wives doesn't mean it's right to beat YOUR wife, too... to use an equally stupid analogy.

Rather like whining "Clinton Did It First" whenever your hero does something bad.

No, more like whining "But BOOOOOSH does it MORE" when someone points out that YOUR hero is just as guilty of action x.

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The CONSEQUENCES of those actions are a building hatred of us as a bully, not a 'liberator', which is the word we use.

Do you know what Chinese people pay to be smuggled to this Country? Do you know how many South American people risk their lives floating on sticks hoping to make it from Cuba to a bridge off the coast of Florida? Do you know how long the waiting list is in Poland for a visa to the US??

UMM, Yeaaaa everybody hates us...

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McCain '08

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Sweden, Norway, Finland, Canada, Japan, Australia, Brazil and dozens of other countries around the world are already doing it (smaller military - not pissing off the rest of the world).

So they have downgraded their military? From what? You make it sound like they had militaries like ours and then decided to 'downgrade them'. Got news for you dude, Finland NEVER had a military that could touch ours.

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"Not the primary target"
Oh, well that makes ALL the difference to the bereaved.

Or, "the road to Hell is paved with good intentions".

Yea that's right. Did we bomb Japan to kill babies? No. We bombed them so they would stop attacking us.Were babies killed? Hell yes probably more then I know.

Too bad.

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Sweden, Norway, Finland, Canada, Japan, Australia, Brazil and dozens of other countries around the world are already doing it (smaller military - not pissing off the rest of the world).

Wait I can't leave this alone. hahaha SO... Tkhayes says that Norway, Finland, Canada, Japan, Australia, Brazil, and DOZENS (yes he said dozens) of other countries are 'Doing It' so they don't piss off thetr rest of the world. ...........

Hey uh Brazil.. You are PISSING OFF THE WORLD!!! DOWNGRADE YOUR MILITARY NOW!!!

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i will vote for Obama because the Republicans need to be eliminated and annihilated. What he does with the military is of no interest to me - this country has bigger issues - like maybe trying to take care of Americans - something that has not happened in government in this country for the past 2 decades at least.

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something that has not happened in government in this country for the past 2 decades at least

Expand on this and tell me how government should 'take care' of Americans...

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> I was reading in the New York Daily News today that Obama is actually
> the leader of a Al Queda sleeper cell.

Well, of course. He's really Osama bin Laden, so of course he's the leader of _all_ AQ sleeper cells. He thought he could fool us by changing ONE LETTER of his name? (And his skin color, and height, and accent. And switched his first and last name of course.) What, does he think we're stupid?

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I never said anything about downgrading their military - I said they have SMALLER military - they are doing what the previous post said 'could not be done'

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Expand on this and tell me how government should 'take care' of Americans...

OK, better health care. Better education. Less military. (more money to spend on the other programs). Better social services instead of the cutbacks we see across the board, including essential services like fire and police. 'Less' government' does not mean no government, but it sure means slashing programs that "We the People...." use every day

The USA does not rank anywhere near the top in any of these areas in the world - and we do appear to be striving to fix that. Part of my 'idealism' - so heartily criticized in this thread earlier - is feeding the people, educating the people, providing health care for the people - what
I believe government should primarily be doing.

Better corporate rules that ensure that corporations do something good for society in general, as well as for the shareholders, instead of all decisions based upon the economic bottom line, which as we have seen since the industrial revolution is not always the best thing. (Pollution, environmental damage, job losses, job going overseas, etc)

So that is (in part) what I mean by taking better care of Americans. This country ain't cutting it.

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The CONSEQUENCES of those actions are a building hatred of us as a bully, not a 'liberator', which is the word we use.

Do you know what Chinese people pay to be smuggled to this Country? Do you know how many South American people risk their lives floating on sticks hoping to make it from Cuba to a bridge off the coast of Florida? Do you know how long the waiting list is in Poland for a visa to the US??

UMM, Yeaaaa everybody hates us...

Do you know what Chinese people pay to be smuggled to: Norway, Finland, Canada, Japan, Australia, Brazil and dozens of other countries around the world?

try not to be so arrogant as to think that Chinese people only want to immigrate to the USA. For that matter, ANYONE trying to immigrate -

Not everyone wants to be in the USA

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Sweden, Norway, Finland, Canada, Japan, Australia, Brazil and dozens of other countries around the world are already doing it (smaller military - not pissing off the rest of the world).

I love it when you say it cannot be done.

"Those who say it cannot be done are getting in the way of those of us that are already doing it"

The fact that Jim and Bob and Steve and Andy are all beating THEIR wives doesn't mean it's right to beat YOUR wife, too... to use an equally stupid analogy.

Rather like whining "Clinton Did It First" whenever your hero does something bad.

No, more like whining "But BOOOOOSH does it MORE" when someone points out that YOUR hero is just as guilty of action x.

Adults try and see what is happening around them; viewing the ever shifting shades of gray in an attempt to make intelligent decisions.

LITTLE BOYS adore their heroes and support them blindly.

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I was reading in the New York Daily News today that Obama is actually the leader of a Al Queda sleeper cell.
McCain '08

I don't know dude, I have an easier time believing the McChurian candidate story.

You know, I heard that Obama kicked Chuck Norris' ass, and he did it all with his mind......from space!

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I was reading in the New York Daily News today that Obama is actually the leader of a Al Queda sleeper cell.
McCain '08

I don't know dude, I have an easier time believing the McChurian candidate story.

You know, I heard that Obama kicked Chuck Norris' ass, and he did it all with his mind......from space!

the mother ship had to be involved

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Well, of course. He's really Osama bin Laden, so of course he's the leader of _all_ AQ sleeper cells. He thought he could fool us by changing ONE LETTER of his name? (And his skin color, and height, and accent. And switched his first and last name of course.) What, does he think we're stupid?

You do realize my post was in jest.

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I never said anything about downgrading their military - I said they have SMALLER military - they are doing what the previous post said 'could not be done'

The only reason they're doing that is because they know the USA will step in if needed. I am ALL FOR removing our military from western democracies. Think about the money we could save. Let them pay their own way.

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>You do realize my post was in jest.

Huh! Maybe that's why mine was, too.

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>You do realize my post was in jest.

Huh! Maybe that's why mine was, too.

seems like everyone has a case of the silliness this week.

Probably no point in discussion until Monday.

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OK, better health care.

Our health care is pretty good, as it is. Do you mean cheaper health care? Let's take out the middle man that brings no value to the process.

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Better education.

Critical in my opinion. But, why is the current education system failing? Teachers must cope with disruptive kids from dysfunctional families in the classroom, thus catering to the lowest common denominator. What do we do about that?

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Less military. (more money to spend on the other programs).

As I've said several times now, let western democracies pay their own way. Huge amount of money WE can save simply doing that.

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Better social services instead of the cutbacks we see across the board, including essential services like fire and police.

What NYPD pays is absurdly low. I simply cannot fathom how that decision was made.

But then again, you should see what cops outside of NYC make. LTs get $125K in the burbs, and they make that for the rest of their life, with free medical to boot. So, we ain't doing too bad on that point.

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'Less' government' does not mean no government, but it sure means slashing programs that "We the People...." use every day

When I advocate less government, I'm advocating less instrusive laws in my personal life. Of course we need competent, dedicated policemen, firemen, EMTs, water guys, etc.

Speaking of this, why aren't the floods in the midwest on the front page every day"? Because those people are taking care of themselves.

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The USA does not rank anywhere near the top in any of these areas in the world - and we do appear to be striving to fix that.

Because we're spending too much "defense" money protecting those other western democracies that really need to pay their own way.

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Part of my 'idealism' - so heartily criticized in this thread earlier - is feeding the people, educating the people, providing health care for the people - what
I believe government should primarily be doing.

As Americans, you should work and feed not only yourself, but your family. That's fundamental. Don't tax me to feed somebody else's family. I have my own family to feed.

As Americans, you should work and take care of your family. Don't tax me to pay health care for somebody else's family. I have my own family to provide health care for.

I work my ass off, and I've taken huge risks in life compared to the vast majority of people I know. If and when that risk returns rewards, I'll be happy to become a philanthropist.

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Better corporate rules that ensure that corporations do something good for society in general, as well as for the shareholders, instead of all decisions based upon the economic bottom line, which as we have seen since the industrial revolution is not always the best thing. (Pollution, environmental damage, job losses, job going overseas, etc)

We're capitalists. Not socialists. Not communists. Capitalism is the best system out there. Is it perfect? Absolutely not. Can we do better? Yes. How do we do better? Let the pendulum keep swinging, and keep the thing from toppling over. How do we do that? People educate themselves, get involved, and work hard. Take care of their own families. If you can't take care of a family, don't have one.

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So that is (in part) what I mean by taking better care of Americans. This country ain't cutting it.

Agreed. Instead of having our govt bailing out subprime mortgages, let's make sure people know what they're getting into (i.e., EDUCATE them). But, these people need to want to be educated. A critical rule in capitalistic societies is Caveat Emptor. I teach my kids that. I also teach them Quid Pro Quo. I also teach them personal responsibility, work hard, be a good person. Critical aspects to OUR country's success. Not every parent does that. If the parent didn't do that, then I could see where maybe our govt can help that process.

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I never said anything about downgrading their military - I said they have SMALLER military - they are doing what the previous post said 'could not be done'

The only reason they're doing that is because they know the USA will step in if needed. I am ALL FOR removing our military from western democracies. Think about the money we could save. Let them pay their own way.

so you are suggested that we close our military bases (or some of them), in effect, downsizing our military? Great idea, I am so glad we agree on something.....

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i will vote for Obama because the Republicans need to be eliminated and annihilated. What he does with the military is of no interest to me - this country has bigger issues - like maybe trying to take care of Americans - something that has not happened in government in this country for the past 2 decades at least.

Everybody read the above text

This man is allowed to vote.

Can we assume that you believe only those with approved political ideologies should be allowed to vote?

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so you are suggested that we close our military bases (or some of them), in effect, downsizing our military? Great idea, I am so glad we agree on something.....

If we're going to be there, they pay for it. Otherwise, we put that money elsewhere. Agreed.

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No, more like whining "But BOOOOOSH does it MORE" when someone points out that YOUR hero is just as guilty of action x.

Adults try and see what is happening around them; viewing the ever shifting shades of gray in an attempt to make intelligent decisions.

LITTLE BOYS adore their heroes and support them blindly.