VTmotoMike08 0 #1 June 25, 2008 From a spinoff of the Obama wants to... thread Vote and explain your reasoning. There is no third choice because its a pretty simpe question. If you vote yes, then are are saying that the Taliban are basically well meaning people who just got their toes stepped on by the big bad US and had to respond in the only way that they could. I just want to see how many people actually think this way. I vote NO. I think there have been some pretty drastic failures of US foreign policy in the middle east, but that none of our actions (before or after 9/11) merited an attack in that manner. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hausse 0 #2 June 25, 2008 How could anybody believe someone deserves to die? (A little pun against the death penalty and some other stuff) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #3 June 25, 2008 QuoteHow could anybody believe someone deserves to die? (A little pun against the death penalty and some other stuff) Its very simple.. if you believe that I am a member of THE GREAT SATAN... and wish to kill me... I get to do the same to you and your family and everyone who believes like you. These religious fanatics have proven that they are incapable of living with other human beings....we need to help them achieve paradise as quickly and humanely as we can. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #4 June 25, 2008 Quote Quote How could anybody believe someone deserves to die? (A little pun against the death penalty and some other stuff) Its very simple.. if you believe that I am a member of THE GREAT SATAN... and wish to kill me... I get to do the same to you and your family and everyone who believes like you. These religious fanatics have proven that they are incapable of living with other human beings....we need to help them achieve paradise as quickly and humanely as we can. Yep, send them to hell. KABLOOOIE!!! "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VTmotoMike08 0 #5 June 25, 2008 A couple reasons. Most people would kill someone else if they believed it was the only way to prevent being killed themselves. Such self preservation is a natural instinct for all creatures. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mamajumps 0 #6 June 25, 2008 Quote Quote Quote How could anybody believe someone deserves to die? (A little pun against the death penalty and some other stuff) Its very simple.. if you believe that I am a member of THE GREAT SATAN... and wish to kill me... I get to do the same to you and your family and everyone who believes like you. These religious fanatics have proven that they are incapable of living with other human beings....we need to help them achieve paradise as quickly and humanely as we can. Yep, send them to hell. KABLOOOIE!!! And let "allah" sort them out.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #7 June 25, 2008 Quote A couple reasons. Most people would kill someone else if they believed it was the only way to prevent being killed themselves. Such self preservation is a natural instinct for all creatures. This reasoning has nothing to do with what happened on 9/11. Those attacks were cold-blooded cowardly attacks on innocent people. And by perpetuators who committed suicide in the act. "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #8 June 25, 2008 I think there is a big difference between saying America had it coming and saying Americans had no reason to be surprised. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hausse 0 #9 June 25, 2008 Quote A couple reasons. Most people would kill someone else if they believed it was the only way to prevent being killed themselves. Such self preservation is a natural instinct for all creatures. That's just one reason but fair enoughYou are right on that point but I was talking about the question if the people in the WTC deserved to die or along that line, if all the Iraqis that defended their country did. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VTmotoMike08 0 #10 June 25, 2008 Ya, counting never was my strong point, no child left behind my assBut I want to keep this thread away from the current war in Iraq. The question was: Do you think that America's actions before 9/11 merited the given response. I have a feeling that there is a disturbingly large amount of peopel out there who do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hairyjuan 0 #11 June 25, 2008 to quote the Congressional Record from April 1947: sept 11 2001 is the beginning of the cleansing of the earth for the Kingdom of God, per instruction from the British Israel World Federationwe are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively wishers never choose, choosers never wish Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #12 June 25, 2008 QuoteI think there is a big difference between saying America had it coming and saying Americans had no reason to be surprised. +1Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #13 June 25, 2008 You ask people to vote and explain their reasoning. But then you tell them that if they vote Yes, YOU will define what THEY mean. You unilaterally deny people an option other than a simple yes or no. And in a classic push-poll tactic, you pre-designate the Yes choice as "Yes, I believe that puppies should be eaten in front of small children." I hope this isn't the sort of methodology you use when gathering empirical data for a real term paper. I know I'd give you an F just for that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbrown 26 #14 June 25, 2008 Nobody anywhere deserves that kind of treatment. Period. People who think so have forgotten that ideologies are supposed to serve people, and not the other way around. Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VTmotoMike08 0 #15 June 25, 2008 QuoteYou ask people to vote and explain their reasoning. But then you tell them that if they vote Yes, YOU will define what THEY mean. You unilaterally deny people an option other than a simple yes or no. And in a classic push-poll tactic, you pre-designate the Yes choice as "Yes, I believe that puppies should be eaten in front of small children." I hope this isn't the sort of methodology you use when gathering empirical data for a real term paper. I know I'd give you an F just for that. OK, ya I kinda did that on purpose to make a statement. But if it helps, you can still vote yes and then explain your thought process. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #16 June 25, 2008 QuoteQuoteYou ask people to vote and explain their reasoning. But then you tell them that if they vote Yes, YOU will define what THEY mean. You unilaterally deny people an option other than a simple yes or no. And in a classic push-poll tactic, you pre-designate the Yes choice as "Yes, I believe that puppies should be eaten in front of small children." I hope this isn't the sort of methodology you use when gathering empirical data for a real term paper. I know I'd give you an F just for that. OK, ya I kinda did that on purpose to make a statement. But if it helps, you can still vote yes and then explain your thought process. I voted yes because I hate push-polls. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #17 June 25, 2008 Only the hate America/blame the US first crowd will vote yes here."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #18 June 25, 2008 QuoteOnly the hate America/blame the US first crowd will vote yes here. ...or those who eat puppies. You know, in front of children. Bastards. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #19 June 25, 2008 QuoteI vote NO. I think there have been some pretty drastic failures of US foreign policy in the middle east, but that none of our actions (before or after 9/11) merited an attack in that manner. Out of curiosity, in your opinion what actions would merit killing 2752 civilians?"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #20 June 25, 2008 Don’t forget to include the Christians who start wars because god is talking to them, and the ones who said we deserved it because we treat gay people like humans.I don’t think anyone can think it is justified or that we deserve 9-11. I think we have done a lot of bad things killed many people who we should not have killed. I think our foreign policy is ridicules and Imperialistic. However I don’t think some poor dude/or dudet on his way to go to work deserved to be murdered. But I also feel the same way about some poor Brown person who lives in a country half the people in the US can’t even point out on a map. I truly believe in do on to others, as you want done to you. I think it is a simple philosophy. We have brought death so there are people who want to bring death to us. Lets stop bringing death. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VTmotoMike08 0 #21 June 25, 2008 Oh oh I know whats gonna happen. Im supposed to say something like "the possibility that Bin Laden might be hiding in their country" then you are supposed to respond quoting the number of dead in Iraq right?? Thats how SC works afterall. Well, believe it or not, some things are worth people dying for. The possibility that a bad man might be hiding in their country, or that their dictator might have WMDs and is generally a nasty person, IMO, is not one of them. Sending a message to the world that we will not tolerate terrorism and that we are preparted to hunt you down and kill you if you do it to us or want to do it to us might be. Obviously, that is why the operation in Afghanistan enjoyed so much support in the months after 9/11. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #22 June 25, 2008 Quote .... I have a feeling that there is a disturbingly large amount of peopel out there who do. You have a feeling. Me too. It's dinner time in the old world. I have a feeling: I'm hungry. Your poll is redundant crap. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #23 June 25, 2008 ......... is redundant crap. As are your replies to that with which you do not agree"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #24 June 25, 2008 QuoteSending a message to the world that we will not tolerate terrorism and that we are preparted to hunt you down and kill you if you do it to us or want to do it to us might be. King George and his boys sorta blew it on that one.. its not so credible after they told us it was not as important as going after a completely different countries supply of oil. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Para_Frog 1 #25 June 25, 2008 I'm going to try as hard as I possibly can to not admit that I agree with your last statement by asking your prediction in the Euro 2008 Semi here in an hour. I'm taking a long lunch to see it. - Harvey, BASE 1232 TAN-I, IAD-I, S&TA BLiNC Magazine Team Member Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites