warpedskydiver 0 #201 July 16, 2008 Holy Fuck..... even those who voted for the fucknugget here on this site wont even admit to voting for him....I sure as fuck did not vote him... I refuse to take ANY of the blame for this morons war that has killed so many of my fellow Americans.I was against sending our people over to Iraq... back before it was fashionable to do so.. and I still think is was a raid on the American Treasury by a group of arrogant incompetent anti-american NEO CON Chickenhawks. Quote I voted for Bush, he was a better choice then than was Gore or Kerry, that being said he is far from perfect. I am against us babysitting Iraq, I do however approve of us removing Saddam from power, and removing those in power. I have my own reasons for that. As for the Afghan AO, I would like to say we need another 4 to 5 Brigades, and wipe the enemy out, drag them from every house, cave, encampment, and Waziristan. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #202 July 16, 2008 Quote It's official everyone partaking in this thread just needs to get laid. There...I said it. Taking your statement as literal ... always a dangerous avocation on the internet ... are you arguing for a sexual iconography of the global nuclear weapons complex? Already been done. Otoh, a discussion of the threat of a theocratic, oppressive, state-sponsor of terrorism’s disputed pursuit of an offensive nuclear weapons program and its ballistic missile program, attempts at media manipulation (by FARS), and geo-political ramifications, which may represent the next foreign engagement for the US military, is indicative of “just needs to get laid”? As opposed to, for example, a thread about people who are offended by people who are offended by a cartoon? Wasn’t there another film a few years ago that offered insight on this peculiar paradox? /Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #203 July 16, 2008 Quote Nice attempt at misdirection... but as an "American" I dont suppose you would care to point out the sleepers.. and not those who came here to escape the Mullahs now would you??? I am confused. How can you be so angry at people to the right when you share the same paranoid belief? Any one who thinks that Iranians have a shared common goal as some of the Arab extremist has no clue about Iranian history. I am not saying there are none as we all have are share of crazy people (WE ALL DO) but to think that most Iranians share the same principles as OBL is simply an uneducated view that shows you have no idea of history. Of course if you feel it is a small minority who might feel that way then it is equally ignorant to judge a mass of people by what you THINK the actions of a few might be. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #204 July 16, 2008 Quote The only people content with Iraq's behavior in 2002 were those who were opposed to all war, and those who had financial interests in the status quo. The problem with absolute statements like that is that they are most unlikely to be true, and ridiculously easy to disprove.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #205 July 16, 2008 Quote I am not saying there are none as we all have are share of crazy people (WE ALL DO) but to think that most Iranians share the same principles as OBL is simply an uneducated view that shows you have no idea of history. So, what's your take on this "return of the 12th Imam" thing? I've read several times that most of the top guys are in this little club that calls for creating the chaos required for his return. Any truth to that, in your opinion?We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #206 July 16, 2008 Basically the same belief that evangelicals have. When he returns he will bring justice to all kill all non believers and the dead will raise and every one will have there day of judgment. Funny you brought this up I was going to make another thread to discuss evangelicals and how they want to bring the end of the world and having one be the leader of the free world and every thing that’s happened. You can see where I was going with it. The difference I believe is this. For Muslims they believe Mahdi arrival signifies the beginning of the whole process I don’t believe they think they have to bring the end of the world for him to appear but that his appearance means the end of the world. Edit to add. Sorry I realized you asked for my take on it. I don’t believe in many stories of most religions, I don’t believe in organized religion or really any group mentality. I believe in the core of religion not what has been influenced by time, culture, or politics. And IMHO all religions have the same core. Do on to others as you want done to you. I think that’s a great rule to live by no matter what you believe.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #207 July 16, 2008 Quote Basically the same belief that evangelicals have. My mother is a big time holy roller. I was raised in an evangelical setting, where Revelations was discussed on a regular basis. I have _NEVER_ heard anyone say they needed to bring about the chaos for the return of the messiah. That is quite a difference between American evangelicals and Iran's evangelicals, IMO.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #208 July 16, 2008 QuoteQuote Basically the same belief that evangelicals have. My mother is a big time holy roller. I was raised in an evangelical setting, where Revelations was discussed on a regular basis. I have _NEVER_ heard anyone say they needed to bring about the chaos for the return of the messiah. That is quite a difference between American evangelicals and Iran's evangelicals, IMO. Then that’s my mistake. I thought and had heard that evangelical Christians are looking forward to the end of the world. just did a quick google search http://www.beliefnet.com/story/196/story_19630_1.htmlI'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #209 July 16, 2008 Quote Then that’s my mistake. I thought and had heard that evangelical Christians are looking forward to the end of the world. They are. They're just not out there actively promoting it.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #210 July 16, 2008 QuoteQuote Then that’s my mistake. I thought and had heard that evangelical Christians are looking forward to the end of the world. They are. They're just not out there actively promoting it. We have an Evangelical president who states that he talks to god and his actions show that he is definitely filling the "lots of war" prophesies. So how sure are we that true believers wouldn't bring the end of the world just so they could met Jesus? I don’t know I just know we have crazy fucks every where they are not just Muslims or Iranians.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #211 July 16, 2008 Quote So how sure are we that true believers wouldn't bring the end of the world just so they could met Jesus? I don’t know I just know we have crazy fucks every where they are not just Muslims or Iranians. Agreed. Bush is protecting interests, though, not actively thinking about putting Islam all over the world. There is some difference there. I hope you can see that.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #212 July 16, 2008 Quote So how sure are we that true believers wouldn't bring the end of the world just so they could met Jesus? I don’t know I just know we have crazy fucks every where they are not just Muslims or Iranians. In the 90s, we knew this. This decade, the Muslims have stolen center stage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #213 July 16, 2008 This just in: The George "Chamberlain" Bush administration flip flops, rolls over and appeases. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080716/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_iran_nuclear_11 Sorry, I couldn't resist Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #214 July 16, 2008 > I have _NEVER_ heard anyone say they needed to bring about the >chaos for the return of the messiah. The term you are looking for may be "Tribulation." In Christian eschatology, the Tribulation is period of time where people who follow God will experience worldwide persecution and be purified and strengthened by it. It is sought after by many extremist Christians, who are always interpreting this or that disaster to be the beginning of the Tribulation, and hence the imminent arrival of "Heaven on Earth." The Rev. Hagee (for one) welcomes the Tribulation, because it will herald the defeat of Islam and the beginning of a Golden Age of Peace. There is an entire category of Christian fiction (the "end times" series, the "left behind" series) that discusses what happens during the Tribulation, generally with heroic Christians battling dark forces. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #215 July 16, 2008 Quote The term you are looking for may be "Tribulation." These folks are not actively seeking to bring about the Tribulation, as opposed to Iran's President. The material I've been reading lately says that the "12th Imam" club is actively seeking to generate the chaos required for the 12th imam to return, as opposed to kicking back and praying for it to happen.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #216 July 16, 2008 >These folks are not actively seeking to bring about the >Tribulation, as opposed to Iran's President. The US and Israel are doing military exercises to flex their muscles in the area. So is Iran. Some Iranians predict the end of the world and hope to hasten it through violence. Some Christians predict the end of the world and hope to hasten it through encouraging the invasion of Iran and the destruction of Islam. We'd be better off without the nuts from both groups. >The material I've been reading lately says that the "12th Imam" club is >actively seeking to generate the chaos required for the 12th imam to >return . . . And Hagee is actively seeking support for the invasion of Iran. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ErricoMalatesta 0 #217 July 16, 2008 Quote I am against us babysitting Iraq Babysitting? You shattered the entire country to pieces... no, you are right, the US are the real victims what a burden. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #218 July 16, 2008 QuoteQuote So how sure are we that true believers wouldn't bring the end of the world just so they could met Jesus? I don’t know I just know we have crazy fucks every where they are not just Muslims or Iranians. Agreed. Bush is protecting interests, though, not actively thinking about putting Islam all over the world. There is some difference there. I hope you can see that. I can see that but I hope you see more then just words. When you look at action we have more uninvited Christians (American) Bases and solders on Muslims land. This is a big problem and I can see why every Muslim government would be nervous. In the past 8 years we have lost respect and rightfully so. We can not blame the Iranian government for doing every thing they can so we understand that they will hit back if we decide to reach out and touch someone. I also can understand that they should not just bend over because the US or Israel think so. It is ridiculous to think that they should. I don’t think it is a crime to not like us or not agree to everything that we request especially when we are the aggressors.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #219 July 16, 2008 Quote Quote I am against us babysitting Iraq Babysitting? You shattered the entire country to pieces... no, you are right, the US are the real victims what a burden. The biggest surprise is the selective memory that people have. The reason we invaded Iraq was because of WMD, and possible nuclear capability and the eminent threat that imposed. Remember the UN speech? The so-called mobile laboratories? All the other reasons were thought up after we fucked up or the reasons were proven to be false. The inspectors were right we did not listen so we could invade. We went from being told that we are just about to be attacked to hey Saddam was a bad guy (who we supported). What the fuck! no wonder we are in the shit that we are, people can’t or don’t even want to admit facts that can be seen and verified just by doing a simple search on-line. Not to mention most Iraqis think life was better under Saddams rule. But I guess they asked for it being brown and all.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #220 July 16, 2008 Quote We'd be better off without the nuts from both groups. Agreed. Education can be a difficult thing.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ErricoMalatesta 0 #221 July 16, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuote I am against us babysitting Iraq Babysitting? You shattered the entire country to pieces... no, you are right, the US are the real victims what a burden. The biggest surprise is the selective memory that people have. The reason we invaded Iraq was because of WMD, and possible nuclear capability and the eminent threat that imposed. The given reason. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #222 July 16, 2008 Quote I also can understand that they should not just bend over because the US or Israel think so. It is ridiculous to think that they should. I don’t think it is a crime to not like us or not agree to everything that we request especially when we are the aggressors. Easy question - how is it not being the aggressor when Iran says that Israel should be wiped out. How exactly is that bending over? You might have weird ideas about sex to if that is bending over. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #223 July 16, 2008 >> Hagee this... >> Hagee that... Good thing McCain hasn't spent the last 20 years attending Hagee's church, hmm?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #224 July 16, 2008 QuoteQuote I also can understand that they should not just bend over because the US or Israel think so. It is ridiculous to think that they should. I don’t think it is a crime to not like us or not agree to everything that we request especially when we are the aggressors. Easy question - how is it not being the aggressor when Iran says that Israel should be wiped out. How exactly is that bending over? You might have weird ideas about sex to if that is bending over. 1. Iran has no history of a preemptive attacks Israel invented them and has threatened to do so again. 2. Iran has no troops around us and has takin no action against the US, Yet Iran is surrounded by US forces. 3. Iran has oil which the US wants, if we can lie once to start a war what makes you think we do not do it again. 4. Iran has no history of invading another country both Israel and the US tend to have no issue with that. They start a war once every few years it seems. As for what has been said I truly hope you know there is a big difference between words being spoken, and actual bombs being dropped.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #225 July 16, 2008 >Good thing McCain hasn't spent the last 20 years attending Hagee's church . . . Unfortunately for McCain, he actively sought out Hagee's endorsement and supported the preacher _very_ strongly. Some Hagee quotes: "The United States must join Israel in a pre-emptive military strike against Iran to fulfill God’s plan for both Israel and the West… a biblically prophesied end-time confrontation with Iran, which will lead to the Rapture, Tribulation, and Second Coming of Christ." "Those who live by the Qur'an have a scriptural mandate to kill Christians and Jews... it teaches that very clearly." "All hurricanes are acts of God, because God controls the heavens. I believe that New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God, and they were recipients of the judgment of God for that." "Most readers will be shocked by the clear record of history linking Adolf Hitler and the Roman Catholic Church in a conspiracy to exterminate the Jews." "Military confrontation with Iran is foretold in the Bible as a necessary precondition for the Second Coming." Some McCain quotes, all made after Hagee made the above: "I'm very honored by Pastor John Hagee's endorsement today. He has been the staunchest leader of our Christian evangelical movement in many areas, but especially, most especially, his close ties and advocacy for the freedom and independence of the state of Israel." "Well I think it's important to note that pastor John Hagee who has supported and endorsed my candidacy supports what I stand for and believe in." I guess he believed in him before he didn't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
