Iran Test-Fires 9 Missiles to Show 'Might'

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Why do you ask?

It's not like you give a shit.

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Which ones of your laundry list were related in some way to Iran? And FYI, Iranians are not Arabs.

And which one was related to ballistic missiles or nuclear weapons?

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I am just venting, There are many more instance where we have taken casualties and quite a few were perpetrated by Iran through it's surrogates.


I did not itemize the attacks only related to Iran, you will have to excuse me for that.

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I am just venting, There are many more instance where we have taken casualties and quite a few were perpetrated by Iran through it's surrogates.


I did not itemize the attacks only related to Iran, you will have to excuse me for that.

So why post every attack you can find regardless of who perpetrated it, instead of limiting yourself to relevant ones?

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November 4, 1979, Tehran, Iran. After President Carter agreed to admit the Shah of Iran into the U.S., Iranian radicals seized the U.S. Embassy in Tehran and took 66 American diplomats hostage. Thirteen hostages were soon freed, but the remaining 53 were held until their release on January 20, 1981.


July 19, 1982, Beirut, Lebanon. Hizballah members kidnapped David Dodge, acting president of the American University in Beirut. After a year in captivity, Dodge was released.

March 16, 1983, Beirut, Lebanon. Five American Marines were wounded in a hand grenade attack while on patrol north of Beirut International Airport. The Islamic Jihad and Al-Amal, a Shi'ite militia, claimed responsibility for the attack.

April 18, 1983, Beirut, Lebanon. A truck-bomb detonated by a remote control exploded in front of the U.S. Embassy in Beirut, killing 63 employees, including the CIA's Middle East director, and wounding 120. Hizballah, with financial backing from Iran, was responsible for the attack.

September 29, 1983, Beirut, Lebanon. Two American marines were kidnapped by Amal members. They were released after intervention by a Lebanese army officer.

October 23, 1983, Beirut, Lebanon. A truck loaded with a bomb crashed into the lobby of the U.S. Marines headquarters in Beirut, killing 241 soldiers and wounding 81. The attack was carried out by Hizballah with the help of Syrian intelligence and financed by Iran.

January 18, 1984, Beirut, Lebanon. Malcolm Kerr, a Lebanese born American who was president of the American University of Beirut, was killed by two gunmen outside his office. Hizballah said the assassination was part of the organization's plan to "drive all Americans out from Lebanon."

Jeremy LevinMarch 7, 1984, Beirut, Lebanon. Hizballah members kidnapped Jeremy Levin, Beirut bureau chief of Cable News Network (CNN). Levin managed to escape and reach Syrian army barracks. He was later transferred to American hands.

March 8, 1984, Beirut, Lebanon. Three Hizballah members kidnapped Reverend Benjamin T. Weir, while he was walking with his wife in Beirut's Manara neighborhood. Weir was released after 16 months of captivity with Syrian and Iranian assistance.


March 16, 1984, Beirut, Lebanon. Hizballah kidnapped William Buckley, a political officer at the U.S. Embassy in Beirut. Buckley was supposed to be exchanged for prisoners. However when the transaction failed to take place, he was reportedly transported to Iran. Although his body was never found, the U.S. administration declared the American diplomat dead.

April 12, 1984, Torrejon, Spain. Hizballah bombed a restaurant near an U.S. Air Force base in Torrejon, Spain, killing 18 servicemen and wounding 83 people.

September 20, 1984, Beirut, Lebanon. A suicide bomb attack on the U.S. Embassy in East Beirut killed 23 people and injured 21. The American and British ambassadors were slightly injured in the attack, attributed to the Iranian backed Hizballah group.

September 20, 1984, Aukar, Lebanon. Islamic Jihad detonate a van full of explosives 30 feet in front of the U.S. Embassy annex severely damaging the building, killing two U.S. servicemen and seven Lebanese employees, as well as 5 to 15 non-employees. Twenty Americans were injured, including U.S. Ambassador Reginald Bartholomew and visiting British Ambassador David Miers. An estimated 40 to 50 Lebanese were hurt. The attack came in response to the U.S. veto September 6 of a U.N. Security Council resolution.

December 4, 1984, Tehran, Iran. Hizballah terrorists hijacked a Kuwait Airlines plane en route from Dubai, United Emirates, to Karachi, Pakistan. They demanded the release from Kuwaiti jails of members of Da'Wa, a group of Shiite extremists serving sentences for attacks on French and American targets on Kuwaiti territory. The terrorists forced the pilot to fly to Tehran where the terrorists murdered two passengers--American Agency for International Development employees, Charles Hegna and William Stanford. Although an Iranian special unit ended the incident by storming the plane and arresting the terrorists, the Iranian government might also have been involved in the hijacking.Robert Stethem

June 14, 1985, Between Athens and Rome. Two Hizballah members hijacked a TWA Flight 847 en route to Rome from Athens and forced the pilot to fly to Beirut. The terrorists, believed to belong to Hizballah, asked for the release of members of the group Kuwait 17 and 700 Shi'ite prisoners held in Israeli and South Lebanese prisons. The eight crewmembers and 145 passengers were held for 17 days during which one of the hostages,Robert Stethem Robert Stethem (Right Photos), a U.S. Navy diver, was murdered. After being flown twice to Algiers, the aircraft returned to Beirut and the hostages were released. Later on, four Hizballah members were secretly indicted. One of them, the Hizballah senior officer Imad Mughniyah, was indicted in absentia.

October 7, 1985, Between Alexandria, Egypt and Haifa, Israel. A four-member Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine squad took over the Italian cruise ship Achille Lauro, as it was sailing from Alexandria, Egypt, to Israel. The squad murdered a disabled U.S. citizen, Leon Klinghoffer, by throwing him in the ocean. The rest of the passengers were held hostage for two days and later released after the terrorists turned themselves in to Egyptian authorities in return for safe passage. But U.S. Navy fighters intercepted the Egyptian aircraft flying the terrorists to Tunis and forced it to land at the NATO airbase in Italy, where the terrorists were arrested. Two of the terrorists were tried in Italy and sentenced to prison. The Italian authorities however let the two others escape on diplomatic passports. Abu Abbas, who masterminded the hijacking, was later convicted to life imprisonment in absentia.

December 27, 1985, Rome, Italy. Four terrorists from Abu Nidal's organization attacked El Al offices at the Leonardo di Vinci Airport in Rome. Thirteen people, including five Americans, were killed and 74 wounded, among them two Americans. The terrorists had come from Damascus and were supported by the Syrian regime. AMericans killed included Natasha Simpson, age 11, the daughter of Victor L. Simpson of New York, who was the Associated Press news editor in Rome, Frederick Gage of Madison, Wisconsin, John Buonocore III, age 20, of Wilmington, Delaware, Don Maland of New Port Richey, Florida and Elena Tomarello, age 67, a nurse's aide, formerly of Pittsburgh, who was living in Naples, Florida.


Pan Am Flight #103September 5, 1986, Karachi, Pakistan. Abu Nidal members hijacked a Pan Am Flight #103 (Left Photo) leaving Karachi, Pakistan bound for Frankfurt, Germany and New York with 379 passengers, including 89 Americans. The terrorists forced the plane to land in Larnaca, Cyprus, where they demanded the release of two Palestinians and a Briton jailed for the murder of three Israelis there in 1985. The terrorists killed 22 of the passengers, including two American citizens and wounded many others. They were caught and indicted by a Washington grand jury in 1991.

September 9, 1986, Beirut, Lebanon. Continuing its anti-American attacks, Hizballah kidnapped Frank Reed, director of the American University in Beirut, whom they accused of being "a CIA agent." He was released 44 months later. September 12, 1986, Beirut, Lebanon. Hizballah kidnapped Joseph Cicippio, the acting comptroller at the American University in Beirut. Cicippio was released five years later on December 1991.

October 21, 1986, Beirut, Lebanon. Hizballah kidnapped Edward A. Tracy, an American citizen in Beirut. He was released five years later, on August 1991.

February 17, 1988, Ras-Al-Ein Tyre, Lebanon. Col. William Higgins Hanged Higgins Col. William Higgins (Left and Right Photos), the American chief of the United Nations Truce Supervisory Organization, was abducted by Hizballah while driving from Tyre to Nakura. The hostages demanded the withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon and the release of all Palestinian and Lebanese held prisoners in Israel. The U.S. government refused to answer the request. Hizballah later hanged Higgins.

July 6, 1989: Rita Levine, an attorney from Philadelphia, killed when an Islamic Jihad terrorist steered an Israeli bus into a ravine.

October 28, 1991, Ankara, Turkey. Victor Marwick, an American soldier serving at the Turkish-American base, Tuslog, was killed and his wife wounded in a car bomb attack. The Turkish Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.

October 28, 1991, Istanbul, Turkey. Two car bombings killed a U.S. Air Force sergeant and severely wounded an Egyptian diplomat in Istanbul. Turkish Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.

November 8, 1991, Beirut, Lebanon. A 100-kg car bomb destroyed the administration building of the American University in Beirut, killing one person and wounding at least a dozen.

January 25, 1993, Virginia, United States. A Pakistani gunman opened fire on Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) employees standing outside of the building. Two agents, Frank Darling and Bennett Lansing, were killed and three others wounded. The assailant was never caught and reportedly fled to Pakistan.

February 24, 1993: Hava Wechsberg, age 11, was killed when Palestinian Arab rock-throwers attacked the car in which she was riding, causing it to crash, near Karmei Tzur.

December 1, 1993: Yitzhak Weinstock, age 19, an American-Israeli student whose family came from Los Angeles, was murdered by Hamas terrorists in a drive-by shooting attack near El Bireh, north of Jerusalem.

October 9, 1994: Nachshon Wachsman, an American-Israeli, was kidnapped and then murdered by Hamas terrorists.

August 21, 1995, Jerusalem, Israel. A bus bombing in Jerusalem by the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) killed four, including American Joan Davenny, and wounded more than 100.

February 25, 1996, Jerusalem, Israel. A suicide bomber blew up a commuter bus in Jerusalem, killing 26, including three U.S. citizens, and injuring 80 others, among them another three U.S. citizens. Hamas claimed responsibility for the bombing.

March 4, 1996, Tel Aviv, Israel. A suicide bomber detonated an explosive device outside the Dizengoff Center,David Boim Tel Aviv's largest shopping mall, killing 20 March 4, 1996 Tel Aviv Bombing persons and injuring 75 others, including two U.S. citizens. Both Hamas and the Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the bombing. May 13, 1996, Beit-El, West Bank. Arab gunmen opened fire on a hitchhiking stand near Beit El, wounding three Israelis and killing David Boim (Right Photo), 17, an American- Israeli from New York. No one claimed responsibility for the attack, although either the Islamic Jihad or Hamas are suspected.

June 25, 1996, Dhahran, Saudi Arabia. A fuel truck carrying a bomb exploded outside the U.S. military's Khobar Towers housing facility in Dhahran, killing 19 U.S. military personnel and wounding 515 persons, including 240 U.S. personnel. Several groups claimed responsibility for the attack. In June 2001, a U.S. District Court in Alexandria, Virginia, identified Saudi Hizballah as the party responsible for the attack. The court indicated that the members of the organization, banned from Saudi Arabia, "frequently met and were trained in Lebanon, Syria, or Iran" with Libyan help.

July 30, 1997, Jerusalem, Israel. Two bombs detonated in Jerusalem's Mahane Yehuda market, killing 15 persons, including a U.S. citizen and wounding 168 others, among them two U.S. citizens. The Izz-el-Din al-Qassam Brigades, Hamas' military wing, claimed responsibility for the attack.

September 4, 1997: Yael Botwin, age 14, an American-Israeli from the Los Angeles suburb of Claremont killed in a Hamas suicide bombing attack in downtown Jerusalem.

June 21, 1998, Beirut, Lebanon. Two hand-grenades were thrown at the U.S. Embassy in Beirut. No casualties were reported.

May 9, 2001, Tekoa, West Bank. Kobi Mandell, 14, an American-Israeli, was found stoned to death along with a friend in a cave near the Jewish settlement of Tekoa. Two organizations, the Islamic Jihad and Hizballah, claimed responsibility for the attack.

August 9, 2001, Jerusalem, Israel. A suicide bombing at Sbarro's, a pizzeria situated in one of the busiest areas of downtown Jerusalem, killed 15 people, including a 31-year-old tourist from New Jersey, Shoshana Greenbaum and wounded more than 90. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.

July 31, 2002, Jerusalem, Israel. Seven people including four Americans, Marla Bennett (24) of Marla Bennett David Gritz Benjamin Blutstein Janis Ruth CoulterSan Diego, California, David Gritz (24) of Peru, Massachusetts, Benjamin Blutstein (25) of Susquehanna Township, Pennsylvania and Janis Ruth Coulter (36) from New York were murdered when a remote-controlled bomb detonated in the Frank Sinatra Cafeteria on Jerusalem's Hebrew University Mt. Scopus campus. Eighty-six others were injured. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.

October 17, 2003, Gaza Strip, Israel, Three Americans were killed and another wounded on October 15, 2003 when an explosion tore through a van that was part of a diplomatic convoy traveling through the Gaza Strip. The killed and injured Americans were part of a security force for the diplomatic officials. The State Department identified the slain Americans as John Branchizio (36) Mark T. Parson (31) and John Martin Linde Jr. (30) all employees of DynCorp, a Virginia-based security firm.

Those were all either linked to, or suspected of having involvement of Iran and it's surrogates, in whole or in part.

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Now what do you have to say?

I bet you still don't give a crap.

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Which ones of your laundry list were related in some way to Iran? And FYI, Iranians are not Arabs.

And which one was related to ballistic missiles or nuclear weapons?

/Marg

A very good point, and I'm interested in your take (and of course anyone else who feels like chiming in) on the following...

It seems we (the US) have a couple somewhat independent goals when it comes to Iran. A) stop supplying combatants, mortars, rockets, IEDs, RPBs to insurgent groups in Iraq and B) stop pursuing nuclear weapons / delivery systems. My question is are these two goals best lumped together or treated separately? Do the same kinds of tactics / diplomacy stand to make headway on both?

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And one could wonder what might (not) have happened if Clinton had actually something other than lobbing cruise missiles at aspirin factories in response to terrorist attacks...what's your point?

Besides all the convictions obtained of those responsible for terrorist attacks such as the 1993 WTC bombing?

Bush spent more money and more innocent lives fighting terrorism (beginning September 12, 2001), but it would be difficult to argue that he has been more effective. (Not that that excuses him for continuing (the elder) Bush's illegal bombings of Iraq)

It's rather funny to see you abandon your CDIF posting strategy when it is most aptly applied to fighting terrorism.

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Here is what your homeland is really like

Iran is acting a lot less warmonger like than us. They don’t invade countries on made up reasons that constantly change.

Oh? So the weapons supplied by Iran, and Iranians captured in Iraq (by Iraqi, not American forces) are all just lies and propaganda, right?

The fact is that apart from the mullahs, there is no real government or control in Iran, and the more radical elements make policy and do as they please, to the point where the Iraqi leadership has gone to Teheran and asked them to kindly knock it off, to no avail.

Apparently, some of us are better informed (and more open-minded) than others.

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Do you have hot keys programmed with this stuff

I was going to ask y'all the same thing... or I could just mention the "Gorelick wall".

That one must be "F7"
But ok, what "wall"? You mean the one attributed to Gorelick by Ashcroft during a pre-testimony partisan hack attack? The one that was not a "wall" but a set of procedures for sharing intelligence? The one that was part of a 1978 statute called the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act? You mean the "wall" that Reno adopted, which was subsequently reaffirmed by Ashcroft in 2001? You mean the "wall" that was, according to the Ashcroft Justice Dept., "a set of largely unwritten rules that limited to some degree information sharing" that were the result of Reagan and Bush 41 interpretations? You mean the "wall" that, when directly questioned, Ashcroft referred to, not as a wall, but as a "culture".

There was no "wall". Ashcroft admitted it when pressed. He panicked and started pointing a partisan finger in an effort to deflect criticism. He was even rebuked by the Bush White House for interjecting partisanship into the 9/11 commission's investigation.

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On a more serious note and just to provide some perspective, that single attack was just as effective as seven years of #43's wars wasn't it? Hell of a lot cheaper though.

Depends on how you define the cost, doesn't it? It's a semantics game - I feel it's better to be fighting them over there than at home ('over there' being a loose term for the M.E. and not indicative of Iraq). That's their job - those 'rough men' that Orwell spoke of.

You want to see paranoia? Pull the troops out and have another 9/11 type of attack happen on American soil.

I like you Mike but that notion of "over there instead of over here" is so full of shit on so many levels that I don't know where to begin.
One of the main reasons that there is an al qaeda is because we based our military in Mecca.
The reason there is an "al qaeda in Iraq" is because we invaded Iraq! They weren't there before 2003!
We didn't need to invade Iraq so we could "fight them over there". We were already next door in Afghanistan, fighting them where they were. That's "over there"! And lastly (for now), I think it's seriously f'd up to suggest that, even if it means making more enemies and propagating an indefinite "war on terror" that we should send our military into the region simply to act as easier targets than those on US soil. Besides being a waste the lives of our soldiers (both actual life and quality of life/family life, etc.) but it makes as much sense as raising a population of Africanized bees so that we can send people in to kill some of them. And from a military stand point it makes about as much sense as firing off half of a clip just to see if you have bullets.

If you make more enemies then yes, you will kill more of them. But in the end, you will have more people wanting to kill you. You will also have fewer friends. That's not solving a problem. That's creating "busy work". But I suppose if you're a military contractor then it's a sound business decision.

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>So the weapons supplied by Iran, and Iranians captured in Iraq
>(by Iraqi, not American forces) are all just lies and propaganda, right?

They are probably as real as the american weapons being used by the insurgents, and as the US support for Iranian insurgency.

>there is no real government or control in Iran . . .

Ah, well, that's a relief. We won't be hearing any more comments about Ahmadinejad's rantings, then.

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I was going to refute your claims, and make your entire premise seem foolish, but you are doing a better job of it.

Yeah in other words you can't.

As Warp said, your diatribe was so full of falsehoods that's there's almost no point to refuting them individually. Your post can stand on its own (lack of) merit.

What points are those? The part where you decimated Indochina and Korea or the part where the world court found you guilty of state terrorism?

Oh yeah once again a shining example of you not knowing anything about your own country that wanders outside a patriotic red white and blue glow you see when you look at a map or flag.

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Hint: when you look up June 25, 1950, maybe you'll understand.

Yeah Korea had a war - maybe you can't wrap your head around the part where its KOREA and not the USA.

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Hint: when you look up June 25, 1950, maybe you'll understand.

Yeah Korea had a war - maybe you can't wrap your head around the part where its KOREA and not the USA.

And if you can't accept that North Korea started that war, it's a waste of my time to talk with you. You'd next claim that the US was the instigators with Japan, and all those soldiers deserved to die at Iwo Jima.

If your disdain for US foreign policy runs so deep you'll deny the obvious, we'll get nowhere with the grey areas.

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But ok, what "wall"? You mean the one attributed to Gorelick by Ashcroft during a pre-testimony partisan hack attack?

I mean the response to the White memo, directing that no investigative data be shared - *that* "wall".

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One of the main reasons that there is an al qaeda is because we based our military in Mecca.

Bullshit - I was *IN* Saudi Arabia, bro.

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They weren't there before 2003!

Then why the meetings between AQ and Iraq's intelligence arm? Why the training camp at Salman Pak?

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But I suppose if you're a military contractor then it's a sound business decision.

I could say that is a PA, but I'm pretty sure you don't mean it as the bald words themselves sound.

When you can provide proof that military planning was done for the sole benefit of military contractors, come back and we'll discuss it. Of course, if that *could* be proven (despite the fevered yapping of the moonbats), Bush and Cheney would have been impeached LONG ago with my full support.

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Hint: when you look up June 25, 1950, maybe you'll understand.

Yeah Korea had a war - maybe you can't wrap your head around the part where its KOREA and not the USA.

And if you can't accept that North Korea started that war, it's a waste of my time to talk with you. You'd next claim that the US was the instigators with Japan, and all those soldiers deserved to die at Iwo Jima.

It's already obvious you don't know enough about the Korean war to be arguing about it when you give an obscure date in 1950.

The US was 'intervening' in South Korea by 1945 resulting in around 100,000 dead Koreans BEFORE the start of the Korean war and the start of your knowledge.

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Hint: when you look up June 25, 1950, maybe you'll understand.

Yeah Korea had a war - maybe you can't wrap your head around the part where its KOREA and not the USA.

And if you can't accept that North Korea started that war, it's a waste of my time to talk with you. You'd next claim that the US was the instigators with Japan, and all those soldiers deserved to die at Iwo Jima.

It's already obvious you don't know enough about the Korean war to be arguing about it when you give an obscure date in 1950.

The US was 'intervening' in South Korea by 1945 resulting in around 100,000 dead Koreans BEFORE the start of the Korean war and the start of your knowledge.

The US was certainly meddling in Korea from 1945 on, and is known to have fired on and killed many demonstrators ("winning hearts and minds"), but where did the 100,000 number come from?

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It's already obvious you don't know enough about the Korean war to be arguing about it when you give an obscure date in 1950.

No more obscure than the date of the Pearl Harbor attack, or the German blitzkrieg on Poland. Or when Iraq invaded Kuwait. (I'm sure that was the US's fault too for not explicitly telling them not to)

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It's already obvious you don't know enough about the Korean war to be arguing about it when you give an obscure date in 1950.

No more obscure than the date of the Pearl Harbor attack, or the German blitzkrieg on Poland. Or when Iraq invaded Kuwait. (I'm sure that was the US's fault too for not explicitly telling them not to)

You asked...

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You keep making these claims, but never back them up when challenged. So put up or shut up - how many wars have the US and Israel started in the past several decades to justify your once every few years claim? List them - you'll be challenged on most.

I did with a bunch of the more concrete examples from history... and somehow listing Pearl Harbor, the Nazi attack of Poland and Saddam attacking Kuwait is a counter argument?

Ok you win

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Hint: when you look up June 25, 1950, maybe you'll understand.

Yeah Korea had a war - maybe you can't wrap your head around the part where its KOREA and not the USA.

And if you can't accept that North Korea started that war, it's a waste of my time to talk with you. You'd next claim that the US was the instigators with Japan, and all those soldiers deserved to die at Iwo Jima.

It's already obvious you don't know enough about the Korean war to be arguing about it when you give an obscure date in 1950.

The US was 'intervening' in South Korea by 1945 resulting in around 100,000 dead Koreans BEFORE the start of the Korean war and the start of your knowledge.

The US was certainly meddling in Korea from 1945 on, and is known to have fired on and killed many demonstrators ("winning hearts and minds"), but where did the 100,000 number come from?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080706/ap_on_re_as/korea_mass_executions_us

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Aint War a bitch

Those events were reactions to what the Northeners were doing as they invaded...but you only can see the picture as one sided yet again

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http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic-art/322419/71889/Civilians-massacred-by-retreating-communist-forces-during-the-Korean-War#tab=active~checked%2Citems~checked

Since you seem to love those socialist and communist utopias and what the North Koreans have achieved... why not move there??

Your buddies are still doing it 60 years later

http://www.damianpenny.com/archived/001789.html

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20050515/news_mz1e15howard.html

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Aint War a bitch

Those events were reactions to what the Northeners were doing as they invaded...but you only can see the picture as one sided yet again

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http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic-art/322419/71889/Civilians-massacred-by-retreating-communist-forces-during-the-Korean-War#tab=active~checked%2Citems~checked

Since you seem to love those socialist and communist utopias and what the North Koreans have achieved... why not move there??

Your buddies are still doing it 60 years later

http://www.damianpenny.com/archived/001789.html

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20050515/news_mz1e15howard.html

My policy is usually to ignore you for obvious reasons which to name would be against the speakers corner rules. Needless to say to any onlookers however you possess a lack of historical knowledge, an understanding of 'communist utopias' and obviously the lack of an ability to argue given that what 'communist' Koreans do to other Koreans has absolutely no relevance to this argument.

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My policy is usually to ignore you for obvious reasons which to name would be against the speakers corner rules. Needless to say to any onlookers however you possess a lack of historical knowledge, an understanding of 'communist utopias' and obviously the lack of an ability to argue given that what 'communist' Koreans do to other Koreans has absolutely no relevance to this argument

DUDE face it... the name you selected to grace our monitors with.. tells us all we need to know about you...

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Errico Malatesta (December 14, 1853 – July 22, 1932) was an Italian anarcho-communist and Insurrectionary anarchist. He spent much of his life exiled from his homeland of Italy and in total spent more than ten years in prison. He wrote and edited a number of radical newspapers and was also a friend of Mikhail Bakunin.

Your namesake... lots of talk and bluster in his life....but he certainly did not accomplish much if anything... beyond rable rousing.....wonder how many of his readers followed his writings..... and ended up dead out of their stupidity

So much rage.. so little time.... I think the world grew tired of communists a long time ago.. and in most places they have been relegated to extreme marginalism.....they had a chance to show the world their mettle.. and they failed. There is your Historical fact.

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My policy is usually to ignore you for obvious reasons which to name would be against the speakers corner rules. Needless to say to any onlookers however you possess a lack of historical knowledge, an understanding of 'communist utopias' and obviously the lack of an ability to argue given that what 'communist' Koreans do to other Koreans has absolutely no relevance to this argument

DUDE face it... the name you selected to grace our monitors with.. tells us all we need to know about you...

Can't stick to a subject can you...

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Errico Malatesta (December 14, 1853 – July 22, 1932) was an Italian anarcho-communist and Insurrectionary anarchist. He spent much of his life exiled from his homeland of Italy and in total spent more than ten years in prison. He wrote and edited a number of radical newspapers and was also a friend of Mikhail Bakunin.

Your namesake... lots of talk and bluster in his life....but he certainly did not accomplish much if anything... beyond rable rousing.....wonder how many of his readers followed his writings..... and ended up dead out of their stupidity

I'm sure you have the world all worked out.

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So much rage.. so little time.... I think the world grew tired of communists a long time ago.. and in most places they have been relegated to extreme marginalism...they had a chance to show the world their mettle.. and they failed. There is your Historical fact.

Probably healthy if I don't accept your "historical facts" at face value I think.

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But ok, what "wall"? You mean the one attributed to Gorelick by Ashcroft during a pre-testimony partisan hack attack?

I mean the response to the White memo, directing that no investigative data be shared - *that* "wall".

Right, the "wall" that wasn't, as I referenced earlier.

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One of the main reasons that there is an al qaeda is because we based our military in Mecca.

Bullshit - I was *IN* Saudi Arabia, bro.

Isn't that proving my point? But to use bin Laden's words:
e) Your forces occupy our countries; you spread your military bases throughout them; you corrupt our lands, and you besiege our sanctities, to protect the security of the Jews and to ensure the continuity of your pillage of our treasures.

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They weren't there before 2003!

Then why the meetings between AQ and Iraq's intelligence arm? Why the training camp at Salman Pak?

I don't want to dig up the 9/11 report AGAIN. You do it. I'll be doing something constructive like pounding my head against a wall instead.

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But I suppose if you're a military contractor then it's a sound business decision.

I could say that is a PA, but I'm pretty sure you don't mean it as the bald words themselves sound.

Don't worry. Similarly, I don't blame the troops for the decisions of their CiC either.

When you can provide proof that military planning was done for the sole benefit of military contractors, come back and we'll discuss it. Of course, if that *could* be proven (despite the fevered yapping of the moonbats), Bush and Cheney would have been impeached LONG ago with my full support.

"Sole benefit"? No. The oil and Israel reasons are easier to prove. Still, I wish we had listened to Eisenhower.

"... In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together."

[Amazon 7]

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Can't stick to a subject can you...

Hello Mr POT


This is a thread about Iraq... and here you are yacking about Korea... but I do enjoy this game of thread drift you delve into everytime you want to play BIG BAD MEAN USA...


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA



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