billvon 3,073 #1 July 17, 2008 In the interests of balance: ============== Jury finds Ky. man guilty of killing police chief By JEFFREY McMURRAY – 4 hours ago MOUNT STERLING, Ky. (AP) — A jury has convicted a Kentucky man of fatally shooting the small-town police chief who was taking him to jail in his squad car. . . . Prosecutors asked jurors to convict Barnett of intentional murder, which could have led to the death penalty. They said Lacy was shot point-blank in the back of his head with a single bullet fired from his own gun after arresting Barnett during a traffic stop. Lacy's car hit a stop sign and rolled into a ditch, allowing Barnett to try to escape through a window, prosecutors said. ============== 3:56 pm July 16, 2008 Stupid Gun Tricks: Texas Man, Cleaning Gun, Drops It And Shoots Himself A man has been seriously injured after he was accidentally shot while cleaning his gun. White says the 51 year old man was cleaning a handgun at his home off Highway 2802 and Aunt Sadie Road, when he dropped the gun and it discharged, striking him in the chest. ============== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #2 July 17, 2008 QuoteIn the interests of balance: Balance? These guys were darwin cases. The people of Chicago remain defenseless. And somehow I don't think the State Guard will improve that one bit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CornishChris 5 #3 July 17, 2008 The second guy I get but the Police Chief that was shot in the head was a Darin case? Not sure I get that. Are you suggesting that everyone killed by a gun leaves the gene pool better off? CJP Gods don't kill people. People with Gods kill people Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BClear 0 #4 July 17, 2008 Police chief was used to taking the individual in question into custody NUMEROUS times before hand. He made the mistake of letting his guard down for a repeat client. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BClear 0 #5 July 17, 2008 And I find it ironic that an individual who throws so much support in another thread regarding a regime who overthrew a government with guns decides to use this half-reported story to try to say jee let's be helpless. Last I checked I could find at least two fatalities involving idiotic or careless skydivers this year. Guess we should ban skydiving. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BClear 0 #6 July 17, 2008 Guess it's kind of bad when a drunk can see a mods bias towards his own agenda. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BClear 0 #7 July 17, 2008 Oh and by the way...for attempting to ...out the actual story of the story to serve your own agenda I award you with the personal fuck off I could care less what you do award. I only hope your presentation of skydiving is more thorough than your news. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #8 July 17, 2008 Why are you replying to your own posts? Do you often talk to yourself?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #9 July 17, 2008 The evidence about how safe ya' really are totin' or not totin' a gun isn't clear-cut, obviously. But when you KNOW that the folks who would be most likely to break into your home, or to attempt to harm you and yours otherwise, will likely be armed, there are a lot of people who *feel* safer having a gun themselves. And maybe they are. Given that gun crime by folks who generally obey the law is probably very, very low, I just can't see the logic behind taking their guns away, even if there's no clear benefit to having them other than a relative feeling of safety. I think time will tell what happens when we disarm law-abiding citizens and leave guns only in the hands of thugs. We'll always be able to find reports of isolated incidents that support both sides of this argument. The reports of people fending the bad guys off with an unexpected pistol at an opportune time carry more weight with some folks while others become more cautious when they hear stories like these. I say leave the decision up to the individual then.... Lindsey-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #10 July 17, 2008 Quote Given that gun crime by folks who generally obey the law is probably very, very low, I just can't see the logic behind taking their guns away, even if there's no clear benefit to having them other than a relative feeling of safety. I think time will tell what happens when we disarm law-abiding citizens and leave guns only in the hands of thugs. I don't see the recent SC decision as making that scenario very likely. The issue is finding a better way of keeping guns out of the hands of felons and nutcases, and current gun laws and background checks are easily circumvented and aren't doing a very good job of that.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rookie120 0 #11 July 17, 2008 Quoteand current gun laws and background checks are easily circumvented and aren't doing a very good job of that. So how do suggest we change it? Thousands of laws on the books just isnt good enough? I got an idea! Why dont you go downtown, lets say around I-94 and Randolph Ave area and you go tell every thug you see that he has to turn in his gun because he is breaking the law. After you get your ass beat down come tell me how it goes.If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #12 July 17, 2008 Quote MOUNT STERLING, Ky. (AP) — A jury has convicted a Kentucky man of fatally shooting the small-town police chief who was taking him to jail in his squad car. Shame on that police chief for not conducting a proper search of arrested subject before placing the person in the patrol car. Also, if the person had been handcuffed properly, how did the arrested person get to or raise a weapon. That's just poor officer safety. Many officers have died learning these lessons a long time ago, all you have to do is follow their lessons.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #13 July 17, 2008 QuoteQuoteMOUNT STERLING, Ky. (AP) — A jury has convicted a Kentucky man of fatally shooting the small-town police chief who was taking him to jail in his squad car. Shame on that police chief for not conducting a proper search of arrested subject before placing the person in the patrol car. Also, if the person had been handcuffed properly, how did the arrested person get to or raise a weapon.... Apparently the arrested subject managed to get the CHIEF's gun! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #14 July 17, 2008 QuoteIn the interests of balance: Jury finds Ky. man guilty of killing police chief It's interesting how you didn't bother to provide the link to those stories so that anyone could independently verify the facts you put forth. Are you trying to hide something? Thanks to a Google news search, here's the source: http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/07/16/america/Police-Chief-Killed-Optional.php And here's a quote from the story: Prosecutors said Lacy was shot point-blank in the back of his head with a single bullet fired from his own gun after arresting Barnett during a traffic stop... Lacy's reputation for being kind even to the criminals he was carting off to jail may have contributed to his death. He cuffed Barnett and other familiar suspects in front rather than behind their backs, and he left the divider screen in his squad car open to let the air conditioning reach the back seat. Barnett found Lacy's spare gun on the front seat and took it when Lacy was out of the car collecting evidence, prosecutors said. Defense attorneys said their client was a junkie high on a mind-altering cocktail of alcohol, cocaine and the anti-anxiety medication Xanax.So, with all the things that the police chief did wrong, and with all the things wrong with the killer, what you choose to blame for all of this is THE GUN - the inanimate object. Not the police chief's carelessness for leaving a gun unguarded on the front seat, not the chief leaving the partition open so the prisoner could reach the gun, not the chief cuffing the prisoner in front so that his hands were free to reach for the gun, not the prisoner's use of illegal drugs, nor the prisoner's mixing of alcohol, cocaine and prescription drugs. No, none of that was at fault. Only THE GUN was at fault according to billvon. If this is the best kind of example you can find to demonstrate the evils of guns, then you have failed miserably. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #15 July 17, 2008 So much for weapons retention class.spin like your life depends on it, crash the fucking car, do whatever it takes. You are sometimes only as sharp as your knife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AWL71 0 #16 July 17, 2008 QuoteQuote Given that gun crime by folks who generally obey the law is probably very, very low, I just can't see the logic behind taking their guns away, even if there's no clear benefit to having them other than a relative feeling of safety. I think time will tell what happens when we disarm law-abiding citizens and leave guns only in the hands of thugs. I don't see the recent SC decision as making that scenario very likely. The issue is finding a better way of keeping guns out of the hands of felons and nutcases, and current gun laws and background checks are easily circumvented and aren't doing a very good job of that. The laws are in place. Problem is they are not enforced for a myriad of reasons: overcrowded jails, soft-hearted judges, plea bargains, etc. If the laws on the books were enforced that would be a start.The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
feuergnom 29 #17 July 17, 2008 sometimes i have the impression that u.s. citizens love their guns just as much as their willies - you won't find anybody wanting to live without one not to speak of giving it away. this applies as much for men as for women *flame away i'm european and won't get it anyway*The universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle dudeist skydiver # 666 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #18 July 17, 2008 1) lots of Americans do not own guns. 2) Americans, from the start, have had a tradition of being suspicious of an all-powerful government trying to run our lives. That's why we crossed the Atlantic: to get away from that. Those who were comfortable with that stayed behind. (sadly, the Demopublicans and Republicrats have risen up to return us to being a nation in thrall to its government, but that is not the way America was supposed to be.) 3)I've heard statements similar to yours before, and it seems odd that the people who hate guns the most tend to be the same people who are most likely to associate guns with penises. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #19 July 17, 2008 Quote Apparently the arrested subject managed to get the CHIEF's gun! Wow, even worst! So much for weapons retention, PPCT and being aware of your surroundings. Its even worst if an officer isn't carrying a level II or III holster at the minimum.Not only that, but what clues did the suspect give before going for the gun. Most everyone will look before they grab. Some will even look for their escape for when they're going to run. Before trying to fight or run some will tie their shoes, stretch, flex their fingers...basically people severely telegraph what they are going to do.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #20 July 17, 2008 Quote[billvon] Boy those guns sure make you safer! They sure did in this case! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkS8mdbml0A Or is it better that she die to have your insecurities about yourself or others exercising their second amendment rights protected?Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #21 July 17, 2008 QuoteQuoteand current gun laws and background checks are easily circumvented and aren't doing a very good job of that. So how do suggest we change it? Thousands of laws on the books just isnt good enough? WELL, that's the PROBLEM right there. A patchwork quilt of thousands of incompatible local laws is clearly doomed to failure. Do YOU approve of felons and nutcases having easy access to guns?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #22 July 17, 2008 QuoteI just can't see the logic behind taking their guns away, even if there's no clear benefit to having them other than a relative feeling of safety. I think time will tell what happens when we disarm law-abiding citizens and leave guns only in the hands of thugs. Maybe the 2nd ammendment was a mistake in the first place, countries that don't allow hand guns in public and always havn't have less gun crimes due to less availability. The US is kinda fucked in that respect, but what do you do, keep allowing handguns or try to ween them out over a couple of decades? It is not as though the guns have become less of a problem over the last couple of decades now is it?"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #23 July 17, 2008 Do you approve of anyone not a felon, or having not been adjudicated as mentally unstable, from being barred from possessing firearms? I you do not want felons and mental defectives to possess firearms, how do you plan to ensure that never happens? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rookie120 0 #24 July 17, 2008 QuoteDo YOU approve of felons and nutcases having easy access to guns? Way to load a question. Of course not. A convicted felon cannot purchase a firearm LEGALLY! So what do they do? Thats right, they buy it off the street or steel it. So how do we stop that? Passing more BS laws wont help. What they did is already against the law but that didnt stop them. After all, they already are convicted felons.If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
millertime24 8 #25 July 17, 2008 QuoteQuoteDo YOU approve of felons and nutcases having easy access to guns? Way to load a question. Of course not. A convicted felon cannot purchase a firearm LEGALLY! So what do they do? Thats right, they buy it off the street or steel it. So how do we stop that? Passing more BS laws wont help. What they did is already against the law but that didnt stop them. After all, they already are convicted felons. Agreed. All a felon need do is have a legal buyer buy them the gun. Then said legal buyer marks up the price, files the serial # off every part of the gun, buy an aftermarket barrel for it, and voila criminal gets gun that is completely untraceable to the original source. On the flip side of that coin lets say you make all guns illegal. All one criminal has to do is find a source thats importing them illegaly (much like drugs are done) and stock up there. In this scenario though, only the criminals have the guns and law abiding citizens do not.Muff #5048 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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