hairyjuan 0 #1 July 20, 2008 www.youtube.com/watch?v=T36xsXcPZNM www.youtube.com/watch?v=oI5Ey5kqiBUwe are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively wishers never choose, choosers never wish Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #2 July 20, 2008 nice title the content is a little weird though! is that supposed to be some kind of link? "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #3 July 20, 2008 What if your enemies don't share that view, and won't stop their war against you? What then? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nanook 1 #4 July 20, 2008 QuoteWhat if your enemies don't share that view, and won't stop their war against you? What then? Ahhh. . ."peaceful" people. They always think in their own special box. They don't ever get a clue that their "enlightenment" is a proven fallacy by cultural, emotional, political, geographical. . .ect, influence._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #5 July 20, 2008 Errr, Iraq never invaded the USA!!"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nanook 1 #6 July 21, 2008 Iraq was a legitimate threat we have been thwarting for quite a while. You don't have to step onto a country's soil to do damage. In fact, waiting for a country to step onto your soil for you declare war (being reactive instead of proactive) means waiting for them to kill a lot of your people that happens during an invasion. No leadership in thier right mind will ever let their country be hit first. It's their number one job. Unless you believe that the U.S. Govt allowed the bombing of Pearl harbor or that the 9/11 attacks were a result of indifference or conspiracy rather than failure/inability to sift throught the "white noise" of thousands of terrorist warnings._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #7 July 21, 2008 Quote Iraq was a legitimate threat we have been thwarting for quite a while. Please, enlighten us. How was Iraq a threat to the US?Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
auburnguy 0 #8 July 21, 2008 That guy is such a fruit. (guy in the video) and nanook is right"If you don't like your job, you don't strike! You just go in every day, and do it really half assed. That's the American way." - Homer Simpson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #9 July 21, 2008 Quoteand nanook is right If you think so, then perhaps you can explain the threat posed to the US by Iraq.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #10 July 21, 2008 911 had nothing to do with Iraq, Iraq has never been a threat to the US. If you think otherwise please explain."When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #11 July 21, 2008 Um, yeah...why don't you ask the Carthaginians how that worked out for them... NB: I can't watch streaming vid from over here, but I'm guessing it's the usual "peace at any price" claptrap.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #12 July 21, 2008 QuoteErrr, Iraq never invaded the USA!! Nobody was talking about Iraq until you brought it up. Now this will devolve into yet another mindless rant and rave about the Iraq war. Instead, it should be a discussion about the philosophy of pacifism. But I guess you've blown that now. If you want to get it back on track, try and answer my question in generic terms, without mentioning the "I" word. It takes two sides to make peace. It takes only one to make war. Thus, if one side isn't interested in peace, the other side's desire for peace is fruitless. What then? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #13 July 21, 2008 Ok, If country 'A' invades country 'B' under false pretences (or any pretences for that matter), then what can Country 'B' do other than fight and wait for country 'A' to become weak and withdraw? If country 'B' remains passive, then country 'A' will walk all over them right? If you think (dare I say it) Iraq has nothing to do with this conversation, then you are just kidding yourself."When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
auburnguy 0 #14 July 21, 2008 so what do you suggest we do about it?"If you don't like your job, you don't strike! You just go in every day, and do it really half assed. That's the American way." - Homer Simpson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #15 July 21, 2008 get the fuck out of there, and don't make the same stupid mistake again...... ...ever"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #16 July 21, 2008 What does a "war on war" mean? Isn't that a bit contradictory? If one is opposed to "war" one should be opposed to all wars. (Yeah, I recognize it's supposed be a meme.) I'm not a pacifist. That does not, however, prohibit or prevent one from thinking seriously about the underlying ideas. Truly committed pacifists are a-political, e.g., the Quakers, the Ploughshares Movement, & the most dedicated members of the Catholic Worker movement. I'm not sure the same can be said for Sam Harris' video. VR/Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ErricoMalatesta 0 #17 July 21, 2008 Quote Iraq was a legitimate threat we have been thwarting for quite a while. Yeah Iraq were a threat to the country who spend more on their military than the rest of the world combined. Have you applied for an associate professor position at Cambridge yet? You're understanding of the world is incredible. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hausse 0 #18 July 21, 2008 Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #19 July 21, 2008 QuoteUm, yeah...why don't you ask the Carthaginians how that worked out for them... That would be a neat trick. :-) Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nanook 1 #20 July 21, 2008 QuotePlease, enlighten us. How was Iraq a threat to the US? Between gulf wars, Iraq has been funding terrorist groups that would go after us. The Navy sent many tomahawks to various terrorist camps during this period of time. You may have seen it in some of the news. A tamahawk strike here, tamahawk strike there. . . probably wasn't too important then. He has threatened us many times. He was persuing WMD's and had the program going till we invaded. Too scary for us. We found hundreds of tons of proof. We couldn't move it till Iraq was safe enough else the convoys would have been attacked and poisoned a huge swath of communities. It may have been on the news. It wasn't declassified till the shipment left the Gulf. There's more crap, but they may still be classified. We'll just have to wait till after the war._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #21 July 21, 2008 QuoteBetween gulf wars, Iraq has been funding terrorist groups that would go after us. Schoolyard Bully: "I hate that little kid that always hangs out at the edge of the playground. I'm gonna go beat him up." Toady (Great Britain?): "I don't think he could hurt you, he's too small." SYB: "Ya never know. He might sneak up behind me and hit me on the back of the head with a rock someday. Better if I show him who's boss now." Toady (Canada?): "Yeah, probably. I heard he was gonna tell the teacher on you, anyway." If we preemptively invade another country, aren't we the terrorist group going after them? And should we also invade Iran, Syria, Lybia, Cuba, North Korea, and Sudan ?Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ErricoMalatesta 0 #22 July 21, 2008 QuoteQuotePlease, enlighten us. How was Iraq a threat to the US? Between gulf wars, Iraq has been funding terrorist groups that would go after us. The Navy sent many tomahawks to various terrorist camps during this period of time. You may have seen it in some of the news. A tamahawk strike here, tamahawk strike there. . . probably wasn't too important then. He has threatened us many times. He was persuing WMD's and had the program going till we invaded. Too scary for us. We found hundreds of tons of proof. We couldn't move it till Iraq was safe enough else the convoys would have been attacked and poisoned a huge swath of communities. It may have been on the news. It wasn't declassified till the shipment left the Gulf. There's more crap, but they may still be classified. We'll just have to wait till after the war. The propaganda model at its finest. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #23 July 21, 2008 QuoteIf we preemptively invade another country, aren't we the terrorist group going after them? And should we also invade Iran, Syria, Lybia, Cuba, North Korea, and Sudan ? And therein lies the moral and logical inconsistency of the premise of the Iraq war, in my opinion. However, at this point, might as well finish what we started and leave the place in the best order we can, if that's even possible. Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #24 July 21, 2008 QuoteIf country 'A' invades country 'B',... then what can Country 'B' do other than fight and wait for country 'A' to become weak and withdraw? If country 'B' remains passive, then country 'A' will walk all over them right? So in other words, pacifism doesn't work. Just because country B doesn't want war, doesn't mean that they will be safe. Therefore, even when you do not desire to fight, if you want to survive, you must still maintain the ability to fight to protect yourself. "War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." - John Stuart Mill "All that is essential for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." - Edmund Burke "To be prepared for war is one of the most effectual means of preserving peace. A free people ought not only to be armed, but disciplined." - George Washington Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #25 July 21, 2008 Quote Between gulf wars, Iraq has been funding terrorist groups that would go after us. Sure they were. Feel free to share evidence supporting your latest assertion. Quote The Navy sent many tomahawks to various terrorist camps during this period of time. Or aspirin factories. Quote You may have seen it in some of the news. A tamahawk strike here, tamahawk strike there. . . probably wasn't too important then. Reports of a bombing are not indicative of a legitimate justification for the bombing. Quote He has threatened us many times. Oh really? Perhaps you can be more specific and identify a few of those "numerous times" that SH threatened the US. Quote He was persuing WMD's and had the program going till we invaded. There is no evidence to suggest that. The sanctions worked to stop any WMD programs. The Bush administration even went on record saying that in 2001. Quote Too scary for us. We found hundreds of tons of proof. Yellow cake is not evidence of a WMD program. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
