Kennedy 0 #51 July 27, 2008 QuoteYes, there is a fairly narrow set of circumstances in which one can be detained without being arrested. However, generally, one is either under arrest or free to go. People who watch too much TV think that way. Reality just ain't so. During a traffic stop, you are not under arrest, but you are not free to leave. If you have some interaction with an officer and he decides to write you a ticket, you are not under arrest, but you are not free to leave. During a criminal investigation if someone points you out as the suspect, you are not under arrest, but you are not free to leave. If you are a material witness or in possession of evidence and an officer stops you,you are not under arrest, but you are not free to leave. If you are instructed not to move/leave by an officer, you are not under arrest, but you are not free to leave. The examples go on and on. DO I need to continue? Educate yourself on what your rights are and aren't and more importantly what an officer can and cannot do to you. Otherwise you become just another asshole screaming that you know your rights while being stuffed into the backseat of a police car.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #52 July 27, 2008 QuoteOfficers can talk to anyone they want any time they want. If they order a person to stay, or frisk without consent, they need reasonable suspicion. If they search without consent, they need a warrant (or they can search if they make an arrest) Quote(KELPDIVER) So really they just need a gun. Check! Quote(AMAZON) Pretty much sounds like a police state we are living in.. Whatever happened to you dont have anything to worry about if you are not doing anything wrong??? So if an officer is walking down the street and you are standing there, he shouldn't be allowed to say hello? There should be some requirement before he can talk to a person? Try to understand. To perform a............................An officer needs Voluntary encounter..................No particular reason investigatory detention..............Reasonable suspicion Terry frisk................................Reasonable suspicion Custodial Arrest........................Probable cause Search.....................................Probable causewitty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #53 July 27, 2008 QuotePeople who watch too much TV think that way. Reality just ain't so. A laughable comment, since it's been years since I've owned a television. QuoteEducate yourself on what your rights are and aren't and more importantly what an officer can and cannot do to you. Otherwise you become just another asshole screaming that you know your rights while being stuffed into the backseat of a police car. What cops are allowed to do and what cops get away with are often very different things. I used to have a former cop (< 1 month off force) for a roommate, and he told me on more than one occasion that most people he's seen go to jail are there because they didn't know their rights. You should educate yourself.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #54 July 27, 2008 QuoteTo perform a............................An officer needs Voluntary encounter..................No particular reason investigatory detention..............Reasonable suspicion Terry frisk................................Reasonable suspicion Custodial Arrest........................Probable cause Search.....................................Probable cause I highlighted the part you seem to be missing. QuoteSo if an officer is walking down the street and you are standing there, he shouldn't be allowed to say hello? There should be some requirement before he can talk to a person? No requirement at all. Nor is there any requirement for the person to speak to the cop.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #55 July 28, 2008 Quote Quote Yes, there is a fairly narrow set of circumstances in which one can be detained without being arrested. However, generally, one is either under arrest or free to go. People who watch too much TV think that way. Reality just ain't so. During a traffic stop, you are not under arrest, but you are not free to leave. If you have some interaction with an officer and he decides to write you a ticket, you are not under arrest, but you are not free to leave. During a criminal investigation if someone points you out as the suspect, you are not under arrest, but you are not free to leave. If you are a material witness or in possession of evidence and an officer stops you,you are not under arrest, but you are not free to leave. If you are instructed not to move/leave by an officer, you are not under arrest, but you are not free to leave. The examples go on and on. DO I need to continue? Educate yourself on what your rights are and aren't and more importantly what an officer can and cannot do to you. Otherwise you become just another asshole screaming that you know your rights while being stuffed into the backseat of a police car. Fuck YOU . I posted last yr. I was waiting for work (my ride) one morning. Minding my own business and forcefully detained while I was completly searched including my fuckin lunchbox and my fuckin ham sandwich. Run every warrant check they could then said "have a nice day" Tell me this country isn't a fuckin POLICE STATE. Don't get me going.I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
