So. The USA can redraw maps of the world

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But Russia can't. And what the fuck is a United States Coast Guard vessel doing over there. shouldn't they be defending the FUCKIN USA COAST. arrrgghh>http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080827/D92QQFJ82.html

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A little education on what the USCG does might help correct your perception. The Coast Guard guards US shipping lanes, and US vessels all over the world. Single ships, on long deployments. It's no joke. Some of these vessels also respond for humanitarian emergencies.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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So. The USA can redraw maps of the world by akarunway ... But Russia can't.

Let me check...well Iraq's borders looks like they did before, umhhh...Afghanistan's borders look like they did before, ummhhh Georgia's borders look like...wait they're different! Two provinces are no longer there and, well bless my sole, they're occupied by Russians...heavens we did that?

Oh yes you can say the US created Georgia, but then you might have to say the US created the Czech Republic, Hungary, Poland, and all the Stans too.

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So. The USA can redraw maps of the world by akarunway ... But Russia can't.

Let me check...well Iraq's borders looks like they did before, umhhh...Afghanistan's borders look like they did before, ummhhh Georgia's borders look like...wait they're different! Two provinces are no longer there and, well bless my sole, they're occupied by Russians...heavens we did that?

Oh yes you can say the US created Georgia, but then you might have to say the US created the Czech Republic, Hungary, Poland, and all the Stans too.

I do not agree with what Russia is doing Georgia, but don't forget Kosovo. The USA opened up the door when they recognized Kosovo.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[akarunway 1]

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A little education on what the USCG does might help correct your perception. The Coast Guard guards US shipping lanes, and US vessels all over the world. Single ships, on long deployments. It's no joke. Some of these vessels also respond for humanitarian emergencies.

You fuckin kids are so indoctrinated it's is not funny. Sad More fuckin sheep

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

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A little education on what the USCG does might help correct your perception. The Coast Guard guards US shipping lanes, and US vessels all over the world. Single ships, on long deployments. It's no joke. Some of these vessels also respond for humanitarian emergencies.

You fuckin kids are so indoctrinated it's is not funny. Sad More fuckin sheep

Actually, it's true.

It didn't USED TO BE. You are right in your memories, but not current. The mandate of the Coast Guard used to be specifically to guard the coastline of the US and provide rescue for US ships at sea, but their role has been VASTLY expanded in recent years by . . . you guessed it . . . GWB . . . to help fill in slots traditionally reserved for the US Navy.

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On February 25, 2003, the Coast Guard was placed under the Department of Homeland Security. The Coast Guard reports directly to the Secretary of Homeland Security. However, under 14 U.S.C. § 3 as amended by section 211 of the Coast Guard and Maritime Transportation Act of 2006, upon the declaration of war and when Congress so directs in the declaration, or when the President directs, the Coast Guard operates under the Department of Defense as a service in the Department of the Navy. 14 U.S.C. § 2 authorizes the Coast Guard to enforce federal law. Further, the Coast Guard is exempt from and not subject to the restrictions of the Posse Comitatus Act which restrict the law enforcement activities of the other four military services within United States territory.

On October 17, 2007, the Coast Guard joined with the U.S. Navy and U.S. Marine Corps to adopt a new maritime strategy called A Cooperative Strategy for 21st Century Seapower that raised the notion of prevention of war to the same philosophical level as the conduct of war.[6] This new strategy charted a course for the Navy, Coast Guard and Marine Corps to work collectively with each other and international partners to prevent regional crises, manmade or natural, from occurring or reacting quickly should one occur to avoid negative impacts to the United States. During the launch of the new U.S. maritime strategy at the International Seapower Symposium at the U.S. Naval War College, 2007, Coast Guard Commandant Admiral Thad Allen said the new maritime strategy reinforced the time-honored missions the service carried out in this U.S. since 1790. "It reinforces the Coast Guard maritime strategy of safety, security and stewardship, and it reflects not only the global reach of our maritime services but the need to integrate and synchronize and act with our coalition and international partners to not only win wars ... but to prevent wars," Allen said.

Read the FIRST paragraph I quoted again, in particular the last line of the first paragraph. It's very, uh, interesting.

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A little education on what the USCG does might help correct your perception. The Coast Guard guards US shipping lanes, and US vessels all over the world. Single ships, on long deployments. It's no joke. Some of these vessels also respond for humanitarian emergencies.

You fuckin kids are so indoctrinated it's is not funny. Sad More fuckin sheep

Call me whatever names make you feel better, it still does not change the facts and realities of the Coast Guard's mission in the current environment.

Being in the Army, it's fun for the different branches to make fun of each other, but in many ways the USCG deployments are harder than the Navy's, since they don't deploy as a whole fleet. They don't have an aircraft carrier at their back as a stand-off.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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A little education on what the USCG does might help correct your perception. The Coast Guard guards US shipping lanes, and US vessels all over the world. Single ships, on long deployments. It's no joke. Some of these vessels also respond for humanitarian emergencies.

You fuckin kids are so indoctrinated it's is not funny. Sad More fuckin sheep

Call me whatever names make you feel better, it still does not change the facts and realities of the Coast Guard's mission in the current environment.

Being in the Army, it's fun for the different branches to make fun of each other, but in many ways the USCG deployments are harder than the Navy's, since they don't deploy as a whole fleet. They don't have an aircraft carrier at their back as a stand-off.

Like they need a carrier. Fuck. We are flying shit all over the world at any given time. And I stand by the arguement. MYOB defend OUR borders. Quit trying to build the empire bigger. History repeats itself.

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

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And what the fuck is a United States Coast Guard vessel doing over there.

Try putting aside your hatred of the USA long enough to think about it for a minute.

They need humanitarian aid, and we're able and willing to help. That's a good thing.

Think of the provocation it would cause if that aid was sent over on a battleship. Yeah, uh-huh. Then you'd be blowing a head gasket. So instead, they send a Coast Guard ship, which isn't seen as a threat to anyone.

It's on a peaceful humanitarian mission, that shouldn't offend anyone.

Except the America-haters, like you.

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And what the fuck is a United States Coast Guard vessel doing over there.

Try putting aside your hatred of the USA long enough to think about it for a minute.

They need humanitarian aid, and we're able and willing to help. That's a good thing.

Think of the provocation it would cause if that aid was sent over on a battleship. Yeah, uh-huh. Then you'd be blowing a head gasket. So instead, they send a Coast Guard ship, which isn't seen as a threat to anyone.

It's on a peaceful humanitarian mission, that shouldn't offend anyone.

Except the America-haters, like you.

WE WANT THE FUKIN OIL PIPELINE. Get a grip man. The powers that be couldn't give a flyin fuck about helping some poor starving kid.

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

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WE WANT THE FUKIN OIL PIPELINE. Get a grip man. The powers that be couldn't give a flyin fuck about helping some poor starving kid.
Ding, Ding,Ding!

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WE WANT THE FUKIN OIL PIPELINE. Get a grip man. The powers that be couldn't give a flyin fuck about helping some poor starving kid.

What about all the aid we send to places that DON'T have oil?
What is the America-hater's explanation for those acts of charity?

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And what the fuck is a United States Coast Guard vessel doing over there.

Try putting aside your hatred of the USA long enough to think about it for a minute.

They need humanitarian aid, and we're able and willing to help. That's a good thing.

Think of the provocation it would cause if that aid was sent over on a battleship. Yeah, uh-huh. Then you'd be blowing a head gasket. So instead, they send a Coast Guard ship, which isn't seen as a threat to anyone.

It's on a peaceful humanitarian mission, that shouldn't offend anyone.

Except the America-haters, like you.

WE WANT THE FUKIN OIL PIPELINE. Get a grip man. The powers that be couldn't give a flyin fuck about helping some poor starving kid.

We didn't get any oil from the indian ocean after we sent humanitarian aid to tsunami victims. After that ship of supplies showed up in Georgia, gas prices stayed the same.

You can come up with better arguments than oil.

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WE WANT THE FUKIN OIL PIPELINE. Get a grip man. The powers that be couldn't give a flyin fuck about helping some poor starving kid.

What about all the aid we send to places that DON'T have oil?
What is the America-hater's explanation for those acts of charity?

Yeah, we sent so much help to stop the genocide in Darfur didn't we?

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What about all the aid we send to places that DON'T have oil?

Which are .... ???

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What about all the aid we send to places that DON'T have oil?

Which are .... ???

all over the frickin world.

Prior to 9/11, the USA sent more humanitarian aid to Afghanistan then the entire rest of the world COMBINED. Americans send enormous amounts of foreign aid.

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And what about the Palestinians?

I figured as long as the thread had pulled in so many hot spots and past & present conflicts it might as well include the hottest spot of all.

Who wants to argue about which is the hottest spot of all?

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What about all the aid we send to places that DON'T have oil?

Which are .... ???

all over the frickin world.

Prior to 9/11, the USA sent more humanitarian aid to Afghanistan then the entire rest of the world COMBINED. Americans send enormous amounts of foreign aid.

Afghanistan. Has no oil. But is the key country to the giant Central Asian oil and gas reserves.

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Doesn't most aid from public or private have a dual purpose?

Bill Gates generous donation of $100 million to India to help fight AIDS was no doubt welcome and very generous. At the sams time he donated over $400 million to increase Microsofts software developments efforts, in large part to compete with Linux. It has been estimated that India has potentially one tenth of the world's software developers -- so while his donation is very generous and needed does it not have additional motives? Is that a bad thing?

Lets face it, we and most all other of the so called "rich countries" fall short of the foreign aid commitments we made long ago -- I'm just happy to see we are doing something, dual purpose or not.

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so?

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so?

Already long before 2001, the Bush administration was in close contact to the Taliban - dealing with them. Unocal Co. was in close debate with the Talban, too. (Pipelines for oil and gas (not gasoline) were crossing Afghanistan, should be used in future ....)

It was not all about humanitarian aids, as you think. No way. It was and always will be about oil, gas or gas(oline).

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well, no shit. The US government acts according to its interests. Just like every other government that's ever been. doesn't mean that some good doesn't come from it from time to time, in terms of getting food to hungry people. Remember the Marshall plan?

But I was referring also to aid given by Non-governmental American sources, such as individual donors, American Red Cross, Catholic charities, etc.

See, you can let your government tax you more, then the government uses that money for foreign aid, or you can have your government tax you a little bit less, and then the individual citizens of your country have more money to donate directly. I prefer the second method. And yes, individuals in the USA do donate a lot of foreign aid.

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WE WANT THE FUKIN OIL PIPELINE. Get a grip man. The powers that be couldn't give a flyin fuck about helping some poor starving kid.

What about all the aid we send to places that DON'T have oil?
What is the America-hater's explanation for those acts of charity?

Total U.S. aid to Israel is approximately one-third of the American foreign-aid budget, even though Israel comprises just .001 percent of the world's population and is not among the poorest (or even close).

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Yeah, we sent so much help to stop the genocide in Darfur didn't we?

So because we havent done shit in Darfur, which bothers me a lot BTW, that means we haven't done shit anywhere else?

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Total U.S. aid to Israel is approximately one-third of the American foreign-aid budget, even though Israel comprises just .001 percent of the world's population and is not among the poorest (or even close).

Ok. It's still foreign aid. Where does the other two thirds go? How much foreign aid do your beloved Russia and Iran send out? Just cause you're pissed about the destination doesn't mean it shouldn't count.

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You may also me interested to know that the US has been on the receiving end of Aid.... It's not just a one way street.

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Many of the U.S. diplomats who received the message, however, were beginning to witness a more embarrassing reality. They knew the U.S. government was turning down many allies' offers of manpower, supplies and expertise worth untold millions of dollars. Eventually the United States also would fail to collect most of the unprecedented outpouring of international cash assistance for Katrina's victims.

Allies offered $854 million in cash and in oil that was to be sold for cash. But only $40 million has been used so far for disaster victims or reconstruction, according to U.S. officials and contractors. Most of the aid went uncollected, including $400 million worth of oil. Some offers were withdrawn or redirected to private groups such as the Red Cross. The rest has been delayed by red tape and bureaucratic limits on how it can be spent.

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