jcd11235 0 #526 September 18, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteIf Bush is really as bad as everyone thinks, and they still couldn't defeat him in 2004 & 2000, what does that say about the quality of people they are putting on the race? It says more about the repercussions of so many Americans taking pride in their ignorance, considering those with formal educations "elitist." -------------------------------------------------------- and remember the "formal eduacaters" are left leaning. If that is true, it would be consistent with my assertion.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #527 September 18, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteIf Bush is really as bad as everyone thinks, and they still couldn't defeat him in 2004 & 2000, what does that say about the quality of people they are putting on the race? It says more about the repercussions of so many Americans taking pride in their ignorance, considering those with formal educations "elitist." -------------------------------------------------------- and remember the "formal eduacaters" are left leaning. If that is true, it would be consistent with my assertion. ----------------------------------------------------------- remember the old saying - Those that can do and those that can't do teach Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #528 September 18, 2008 Quote the budget did got up but she eliminated property taxes. the town was growing and needed funding to pay for the expansion. the town grew 25% while she was mayor and that means more infrastructure, police, and other things needed for the population. did you expect the budget to go down in a growing town? the waste went down. It doesn't speak highly of her understanding of economics if she thinks decreasing revenue while increasing spending is a smart thing to do.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #529 September 18, 2008 Quote… sewers, raods and police are not something you or anyone can do without. Agreed. The same can be said of health care.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #530 September 18, 2008 health care to me is the responsibilty of the person. it is something you use for yourself not some thing like a sewer that everyone shares. the government should only supply infrastructure not the goods or services people purchase. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #531 September 18, 2008 QuoteQuote> i do not condone waste. No one does. The Pentagon does, but that's for another thread. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #532 September 18, 2008 QuoteQuote… sewers, raods and police are not something you or anyone can do without. Agreed. The same can be said of health care. Health care is much different."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,006 #533 September 18, 2008 >Health care is much different. Of course. You can live without antibiotics or rapid care for a heart attack, but you can't live without a new highway to nowhere. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #534 September 18, 2008 Quote >Health care is much different. Of course. You can live without antibiotics or rapid care for a heart attack, but you can't live without a new highway to nowhere. You are the masterI got to give you that"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #535 September 18, 2008 health care is a product or sevice you obtain for a cost. and i believe it is your reponsibility to take care of yourself. the next thing you'll be saying that housing, food and a car should be given out by the gov also Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,006 #536 September 18, 2008 >health care is a product or sevice you obtain for a cost. and i believe it >is your reponsibility to take care of yourself. If that is true, then surely you must agree that transportation is a service that you obtain for a cost. >the next thing you'll be saying that housing, food and a car should be >given out by the gov also You already did! You said that waste disposal and transportation (roads) should be paid for by the government. Why are you OK with socialism there, but not for health care? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #537 September 18, 2008 Quote>health care is a product or sevice you obtain for a cost. and i believe it >is your reponsibility to take care of yourself. If that is true, then surely you must agree that transportation is a service that you obtain for a cost. >the next thing you'll be saying that housing, food and a car should be >given out by the gov also You already did! You said that waste disposal and transportation (roads) should be paid for by the government. Why are you OK with socialism there, but not for health care? ---------------------------------------------------------- ok enter the twisting - there is a diference between goods and services and infrastructure. but i think you know that and are just playing with it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #538 September 18, 2008 Quote Quote >health care is a product or sevice you obtain for a cost. and i believe it >is your reponsibility to take care of yourself. If that is true, then surely you must agree that transportation is a service that you obtain for a cost. >the next thing you'll be saying that housing, food and a car should be >given out by the gov also You already did! You said that waste disposal and transportation (roads) should be paid for by the government. Why are you OK with socialism there, but not for health care? ---------------------------------------------------------- ok enter the twisting - there is a diference between goods and services and infrastructure. but i think you know that and are just playing with it. Hey"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #539 September 18, 2008 Quotethere is a diference between goods and services and infrastructure. but i think you know that and are just playing with it. I see. So, you believe that everyone should have to hire their own private police and firefighters if they find themselves in need of those services, correct?Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #540 September 18, 2008 Quoteremember the old saying - Those that can do and those that can't do teach Considering the vast majority of my professors have more experience working in their respective fields than they have teaching, I don't put much stock in that old saying. I suspect it originated from someone who understood their field just well enough to do their job, but not well enough to explain it to someone else.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #541 September 18, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteIf Bush is really as bad as everyone thinks, and they still couldn't defeat him in 2004 & 2000, what does that say about the quality of people they are putting on the race? It says more about the repercussions of so many Americans taking pride in their ignorance, considering those with formal educations "elitist." -------------------------------------------------------- and remember the "formal eduacaters" are left leaning. If that is true, it would be consistent with my assertion. ----------------------------------------------------------- remember the old saying - Those that can do and those that can't do teach It's truly amazing that so many people who say that are willing to spend tens hundreds of thousands of dollars sending their kids to be educated in the colleges and universities of this country. Using the concept of "follow the money", I have concluded that while they may say silly things like that, they do not really believe it. I hope that if you ever need a physician or lawyer, you can find one who is self-taught, and that all the jump-planes you fly in were designed by engineers without any formal education.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #542 September 18, 2008 i am in the service buisiness and i will take a self taught over a book smart employee any day. college means nothing in this buisiness and alot of blue collar jobs. eduacation is needed but can be learned without teachers with drive and ambition. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,006 #543 September 18, 2008 >there is a diference between goods and services and infrastructure . . . So you would support public financing of healthcare infrastructure? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #544 September 18, 2008 we already have that it is called insurance Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,006 #545 September 18, 2008 >we already have that it is called insurance So your answer is "yes?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #546 September 18, 2008 QuoteOf course you think it is. The only way you can support your own candidate is to try to pull down the others. "Sure, McCain and Palin suck. But Obama sucks MORE!" No, it is a great reply since it was a politician saying another politician was not qualified about something they know about. Your example would be like the word of a 4 way guy that a freeflier is not qualified to 4way. My example is a 4way guy saying another 4way guy is not qualified. You just can't/won't accept it since it hurts your candidate. But not even you can claim that your current VP pick and former VP pick is not qualified to make that assessment....Well, you have tried anyway."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #547 September 18, 2008 Quote i am in the service buisiness and i will take a self taught over a book smart employee any day. college means nothing in this buisiness and alot of blue collar jobs. eduacation is needed but can be learned without teachers with drive and ambition. Fine. Hope the same works out for you when you want a doctor. Or a lawyer. Or an engineered product that works.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,006 #548 September 18, 2008 >My example is a 4way guy saying another 4way guy is not qualified. Actually, no. Your example is like saying "yeah, I know that new tail flyer we are considering sucks. But who cares? Other 4-way tails suck MORE!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,006 #549 September 18, 2008 What you are having difficulty with is that you have run into the realization that you support socialism only when it's one of your favorite programs. Roads, police, air traffic control are all "good" socialist programs, medicine is a "bad" socialist program. This is why we never get anywhere cutting government spending. You want to cut everyone else's pet projects, but not yours. Multiply that by 300 million, and you have the endless growth of government we are seeing now. The next time you wonder why the government is getting so big, look around you - and then look in the mirror. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #550 September 18, 2008 QuoteActually, no. Your example is like saying "yeah, I know that new tail flyer we are considering sucks. But who cares? Other 4-way tails suck MORE!" No, that's what you want it to say since you can't discuss the actual issue. Your current VP candidate AND one of your last VP candidates has said Obama is not ready and McCain would be better."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
