Should abortion be allowed in cases of rape or incest?

[labrys 0]

Quote

Do YOU think I meant that?

All I had to go on at the time was what you wrote. You've made it clear since then that you meant otherwise.

Owned by Remi #?

[rushmc 23]

Quote

Quote

Do YOU think I meant that?

All I had to go on at the time was what you wrote. You've made it clear since then that you meant otherwise.

Now you avoided the question. From the beginning, do you think I meant that?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[labrys 0]

Quote

Now you avoided the question. From the beginning, do you think I meant that?

Yes, I did.

Owned by Remi #?

[rushmc 23]

Quote

Quote

Now you avoided the question. From the beginning, do you think I meant that?

Yes, I did.

Now you should understand my indignation at that bull shit

I would never ASS ume that of anybody. I do not care what they would post unles they would say that directly

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[labrys 0]

Quote

Now you should understand my indignation at that bull shit

I would never ASS ume that of anybody. I do not care what they would post unles they would say that directly

There's the drama again. Indignation my ass. Think more about what you write and own up when you fuck up.

Owned by Remi #?

[rushmc 23]

Quote

Quote

Now you should understand my indignation at that bull shit

I would never ASS ume that of anybody. I do not care what they would post unles they would say that directly

There's the drama again. Indignation my ass. Think more about what you write and own up when you fuck up.

I wrote to the confusion. You posted to an ASSumption

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

So, who needs to own up?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kelpdiver 2]

wow - this thread went to shit in a hurry.

[rushmc 23]

Quote

wow - this thread went to shit in a hurry.

It has now?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Lindsey 0]

Wow. I've been watching Lord of the Rings for the last couple of hours. good timing on my part...lol.

:)
linz

--
A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail

[rushmc 23]

Quote

Wow. I've been watching Lord of the Rings for the last couple of hours. good timing on my part...lol.

:)
linz

Now THAT makes sense

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[micro 0]

Quote

wow - this thread went to shit in a hurry.

you can say that again.

I miss Lee.
And JP.
And Chris. And...

[shermanator 4]

Quote

if a baby can be born at 7 months gestation and survive, then abortion at that stage should not be legal.

My wife was born at 22 weeks. which is 5.5 months.

CLICK HERE! new blog posted 9/21/08
CSA #720

[Casurf1978 0]

Thanks for your reply and the others you've posted. What's your position in cases where the life of the mother is threatened by the pregnancy. Should her life be worth less than the unborn? I know we are veering off the OP, but where does a woman lose the right to decide what to do with her body. In your opinion the moment life starts in her she pretty much loses all her right to decide what is best for her body. What about women who are drug addicts and pregnant. They are harming the unborn child. Should the government step in and protect that life.

[klingeme 1]

Quote

Thanks for your reply and the others you've posted. What's your position in cases where the life of the mother is threatened by the pregnancy. Should her life be worth less than the unborn? I know we are veering off the OP, but where does a woman lose the right to decide what to do with her body. In your opinion the moment life starts in her she pretty much loses all her right to decide what is best for her body. What about women who are drug addicts and pregnant. They are harming the unborn child. Should the government step in and protect that life.

In the case that the mother can not survive the pregnancy, it is the choice between one life or the other and while it is a tough decision, I think the woman has the choice to take her life or the life of the child. Kind of like siemese twins that can not survive and you have to choose one or the other. Someone has to die and that needs to be left up to the mother, understanding the circumstances.

[klingeme 1]

Quote

What about women who are drug addicts and pregnant. They are harming the unborn child. Should the government step in and protect that life.

These children are taken from the parents and put into DCFS hands after they are born lots of times, which is appropriate.

[Royd 0]

Abortion should be allowed REGARDLESS of whether the pregnancy resulted from rape.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Quote

I agree, but I'm trying to see how many people agree with Sarah Palin's position, which I consider to be extreme.

I suppose you don't find the option of killing a child, ten seconds before it is able to take its first breath, exteme?

[kallend 2,027]

Quote

Abortion should be allowed REGARDLESS of whether the pregnancy resulted from rape.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Quote

I agree, but I'm trying to see how many people agree with Sarah Palin's position, which I consider to be extreme.

I suppose you don't find the option of killing a child, ten seconds before it is able to take its first breath, exteme?

You suppose incorrectly, as usual.

...

The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[lisamariewillbe 1]

Quote

You are either for (pro) someone's right to have an abortion or against (Anti) that right.

Not true, I am ANTI abortion, however if my 12 year old was raped today you can bet Id be at the doctors getting her tested and treated and sadly Id opt to give her the pill to well abort before the baby was even known to exist or not exist. At her age Id not even tell her what the pill was, Id carry that burden and guilt to my grave and not doubt my decision.

Yet I am anti abortion. You can not judge others based on your beliefs only and not take into consideration that nothing in this world is black or white. I do not believe abortion should be a form of birth control but unless you have been raped and impregnated with the child of your rapist how can you cast stones?

Sure way to up the amount of deaths in women and teen girls will be to make all forms of abortion illegal. Imagine the 15 year old girl , alone in her room, recovering from the mental trauma of rape and all that goes with it, sitting there with a coat hanger trying to rid herself of the child who is part of her rapist, and not seeing any way to mentally survive... yet to mixed up to ask for help and abortions illegal, imagine the thoughts as she self mutilates and rids her body of such? Now imagine her funeral.

Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this
Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this

[klingeme 1]

Quote

Quote

You are either for (pro) someone's right to have an abortion or against (Anti) that right.

Not true, I am ANTI abortion, however if my 12 year old was raped today you can bet Id be at the doctors getting her tested and treated and sadly Id opt to give her the pill to well abort before the baby was even known to exist or not exist. At her age Id not even tell her what the pill was, Id carry that burden and guilt to my grave and not doubt my decision.

Yet I am anti abortion. You can not judge others based on your beliefs only and not take into consideration that nothing in this world is black or white. I do not believe abortion should be a form of birth control but unless you have been raped and impregnated with the child of your rapist how can you cast stones?

Sure way to up the amount of deaths in women and teen girls will be to make all forms of abortion illegal. Imagine the 15 year old girl , alone in her room, recovering from the mental trauma of rape and all that goes with it, sitting there with a coat hanger trying to rid herself of the child who is part of her rapist, and not seeing any way to mentally survive... yet to mixed up to ask for help and abortions illegal, imagine the thoughts as she self mutilates and rids her body of such? Now imagine her funeral.

So you are Pro a 12 year olds choice to have an abortion. If a 12 year old that is raped can end a pregnancy, why not some 22 year old slut that screws everything at the bar and has an abortion once a year. Either abortion is the ending of a life or it is a medical procedure like removing a mole that everyone should have the right to.

You either believe life starts at conception, or it doesn't. I don't understand the argument of Abortion is alright in some HORRIBLE situations, but not as a matter of convenience. If you believe it is not a human, everyone should get abortions, if you believe it is a life, no one should get them.

Horrible things happen but if the 12 year old gets raped and the father goes out and kills or castrates the offender, justified or not, it is still illegal.

[bodypilot90 0]

Quote

She'd still have to carry it - you can't make her do that, it's just plain wrong.

not for the baby

[leroydb 0]

Quote

As a victim of rape, I think it's ridiculous to force a woman to have MORE mental and physical reminders of something so monumentally damaging to a person. Even after the baby is born, there are physical reminders left to their body that a baby was born from that horrible act. I'm sorry, but my life is important too. It takes years to get over something like that, and I can't say I ever will be. You can all say I'm wrong if you want, but it is my opinion.

I agree, people seem to forget that you can die during childbirth

Leroy


..I knew I was an unwanted baby when I saw my bath toys were a toaster and a radio...

[peregrinerose 0]

Quote

So you are Pro a 12 year olds choice to have an abortion. If a 12 year old that is raped can end a pregnancy, why not some 22 year old slut that screws everything at the bar and has an abortion once a year. Either abortion is the ending of a life or it is a medical procedure like removing a mole that everyone should have the right to.

You either believe life starts at conception, or it doesn't. I don't understand the argument of Abortion is alright in some HORRIBLE situations, but not as a matter of convenience. If you believe it is not a human, everyone should get abortions, if you believe it is a life, no one should get them.

Horrible things happen but if the 12 year old gets raped and the father goes out and kills or castrates the offender, justified or not, it is still illegal.

I'm anti abortion but pro choice too. Your 22 year old slut should have easy access to sterilization procedures, birth control, etc (so should the guys that she's screwing on a regular basis). Stop glorifying teen moms in the news (even 'bad' publicity sends a message to teens regarding the acceptability of pregnancy). Have parenting classes be the norm not the exception for all parents, so maybe the next generation of kids will have better parents and thus be less likely to get knocked up young.

Prevent the conception to begin with and abortion isn't needed. Solve the problem (unwanted pregnancy) rather than just the symptom (abortion). Until the root problem is solved, it's better to have abortion be an option (within reason....very early stages only) than to have the system burdened with even more unwanted children that keep the cycle going.

Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda

[lisamariewillbe 1]

Quote

Either abortion is the ending of a life or it is a medical procedure like removing a mole that everyone should have the right to.

Its the ending of a potential life, not all pregnancy's are carried to term , hell I'm sure someone on here can give the statistics on how many are carried even to 4 weeks and include the % of abortions to miscarriages.

Quote

You either believe life starts at conception, or it doesn't. I don't understand the argument of Abortion is alright in some HORRIBLE situations, but not as a matter of convenience. If you believe it is not a human, everyone should get abortions, if you believe it is a life, no one should get them.

Life starts at conception in my opinion, but also in my opinion its not so black and white.

Theres many variables I consider, first off the biggest one is that the standards I hold myself to , are not ones I can push onto other people unless they are willing, or trying to decide to change their view point. Nor is it my right to expect others to live up to or exceed my expectations. Abortion is legal, and since I don't see many people bragging about it, I refuse to walk through life judging people based on what they show me because there is much more that is not visible. Also there is no way to compare a person being raped and getting an early abortion to a girl who uses it as a form of birth control, its two completely different things that yes result in possibly the same action but they are not the same therefore one can not hold the same standards and judge those people the same. Not my job to judge anyways. Can you honestly say that you would look down upon a rape victim who had an abortion with the same disdain look one would give the slut?

Quote

Horrible things happen but if the 12 year old gets raped and the father goes out and kills or castrates the offender, justified or not, it is still illegal.

Its different when you think of it being your 12 year old, or your sibling, or your wife ect. I used to think Pro Life, no questions asked no other answers accepted, then I started putting together what ifs, and sorry, yup I would rather spend eternity in hell for this particular scenario then potentially watch my 12 year old start a downward spiral that often affects rape victims throughout life, Id rather be a 4 celled human killer then watch her struggle to give birth at 12 to a child that she received due to rape...and not just at 12, she could be 40 and I would stand by what she needed to do, to mentally get through that ordeal.

Quote

I don't understand the argument of Abortion is alright in some HORRIBLE situations, but not as a matter of convenience.

I didn't either for a long time. Maybe it shows a lack of my integrity, or it shows my inability to support what I believe in, or it shows that I am lacking the ethics to be a "Proper Christian" however it is who I am and I will never view the world so black and white. I value human life, sometimes my value of human life means accepting the persons or person who chooses to do something I could not do to myself. Thats what it boils down to for me.

Many of my opinions do not fit in a mold, and they never will. Theres a part of me that feels you may have lost a child to an abortion or that you have seen what it emotionally does to the parents when they make that choice and for that I am sorry, even if this is not a subject that has affected your life directly. I do appreciate your ability to stand by your position and I find it honorable that you do value all human life, and I understand that my lack of respect says as much about my character as my posts in Speakers Corner do but at this point in my life I'm just not willing to sit by idle on subjects like this because it is one of those topics that will always get people riled up, me included.

Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this
Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this

[Skyrad 0]

Quote

Quote

You are either for (pro) someone's right to have an abortion or against (Anti) that right.

Not true, I am ANTI abortion, however if my 12 year old was raped today you can bet Id be at the doctors getting her tested and treated and sadly Id opt to give her the pill to well abort before the baby was even known to exist or not exist. At her age Id not even tell her what the pill was, Id carry that burden and guilt to my grave and not doubt my decision.

Yet I am anti abortion. You can not judge others based on your beliefs only and not take into consideration that nothing in this world is black or white. I do not believe abortion should be a form of birth control but unless you have been raped and impregnated with the child of your rapist how can you cast stones?

Sure way to up the amount of deaths in women and teen girls will be to make all forms of abortion illegal. Imagine the 15 year old girl , alone in her room, recovering from the mental trauma of rape and all that goes with it, sitting there with a coat hanger trying to rid herself of the child who is part of her rapist, and not seeing any way to mentally survive... yet to mixed up to ask for help and abortions illegal, imagine the thoughts as she self mutilates and rids her body of such? Now imagine her funeral.

I'm in total agreement with everything you've wriiten in this post. I know someone who was raped and became pregnat, she had the baby ( a son) fair play to her I don't know how she does it. She loves her son but it must be hard especially as he get older because he sure as hell doesn't resemble her.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca