kelpdiver 2 #276 September 5, 2008 QuoteReally? So then it's just a coincidence that those who perceive her as such are dems? Again, an irrelevant response. Quite a few Republicans see her as the lightweight she is. Most won't say anything - they'll support their ticket - it's too late now. They just hope McCain's health holds up. Now, one more time, tell me how running a surplus government with a majority party will prepare her for DC? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #277 September 5, 2008 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Seeing as how I'm currently providing healthcare and paying for insurance for myself, wife, two kids, law clerk, receptionist, paralegal and her three kids and anothe rparalegal and her two kids, my actions apparently speak louder than words. So my actions tend to demonstrate that healthcare is important. Yes, care to and yours, but the annonymous person, fuck em, right? Even if they are poor trying to better themselves via education and have a health issue, fuck em. Then you scratch your head wondering how society is so depraved as that person commits a crime. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The issue? I CHOOSE to provide health benefits to my employees. For how many people's health insurance are you paying? Or is the issue that you want other people to pay for other people's health insurance? Those are my actions. And I suppose it is arrogant and perhaps elitist to suggest that my employees are better at deciding what is the best for them. I'm not paying for anyone's, not even my own. I want the gov to provide health insurance for all people, the rich can opt out if they wish and buy better care. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>But you do in another sense. You look down upon "HER" personally. I look down on her not due to to anything but her ideology. She wants to tell kids not fuck cause Jebus wants it that way, then tell people to get their own healthcare or get fucked. Control on one end, apathy on the other - a living hypocrit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>That's a comment that is non-offensive. Not pejorative or insulting. I myself view plenty of her policies as shite. But I think that she's probably a delightful person. That's like saying Bundy was a great guy, just had this little problem murdering people. To me, a person IS what they stand for. If people wanna call me a commie, cool, I am for the people taking care of each other. American Capitalism has run its course, just as Russian Coimmunism, time for American Capitalism to fall and become Socialism so we can become a better nation. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>That comment you made makes for a good discussion. That's my whole point. When attacking the person instead of the policy, then the focus becomes the person and not the policy. No, I'm not committing ad hominem, I think she's trash via her controlling aspect, followed by apathy to people's well-being. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Good" people can do "bad" things, and vice versa. "Caring" people can be "cruel." She's a legislator, one like Bush, help the rich, fuck the poor. I don't care if she would be a great dinner date, fascinating conversationalist, I might enjoy discourse with her but think she should strap on a 3rd Reich armband when it comes to politics. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #278 September 5, 2008 Quote So it's safe to say your entire post is FALSE due to one inaccuracy you mentioned. WHO was it got caught out posting a BOGUS chain email without fact checking first? Oh yes, it was normiss. Wriggle as you may, you were caught.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #279 September 5, 2008 QuoteQuoteReally? So then it's just a coincidence that those who perceive her as such are dems? Again, an irrelevant response. Quite a few Republicans see her as the lightweight she is. Most won't say anything - they'll support their ticket - it's too late now. They just hope McCain's health holds up. Now, one more time, tell me how running a surplus government with a majority party will prepare her for DC? Ok we must be having two different conversations. My point remains the same as the original post of mine you responded to. I readily admit Palin does not have enough experience to be POTUS. I would prefer her to have at least another 4-6 years of experience as governor of Alaska. However here is were it gets interesting. If she is unqualified to be POTUS...so is Obama and the quandry with me is do I vote against an unqualified vp candidate or against an unqualified Presidential candidate? Or maybe both? Since I really don't know what you're getting at I'll put the ball in your court and give you a chance to convince me Obama is qualified. Obama is your guy right?www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #280 September 5, 2008 QuoteYes, care to and yours, but the annonymous person, fuck em, right? Even if they are poor trying to better themselves via education and have a health issue, fuck em. Then you scratch your head wondering how society is so depraved as that person commits a crime. Yeah if someone tries to take my money then fuck em. How can you chastise him for taking care of he and his own? If you want healthcare then go get some. Don't have the money, then get a job working for someone like lawrocket whose taking care of his people. Quote I'm not paying for anyone's, not even my own. I want the gov to provide health insurance for all people, the rich can opt out if they wish and buy better care. Imagine my surprise. You're not paying for your own and demanding the government take care of it. If the rich (why people who pay for their own healthcare are considered rich, i dont know) are allowed to get their own care, which doctors do you think will serve them? The best doctors will demand more money than the government will pay, and deservedly so. Therefore, shitty doctors will work for the government unless you mandate they all accept government appointed patients. Then how will the "rich" get better care? Pay more and have the government patients pushed to the back of the line? Quote I look down on her not due to to anything but her ideology. She wants to tell kids not fuck cause Jebus wants it that way, then tell people to get their own healthcare or get fucked. Control on one end, apathy on the other - a living hypocrit. She promotes abstinence but tells people to pay for their own healthcare. That doesn't make her a hypocrit. The two aren't even related. Quote That's like saying Bundy was a great guy, just had this little problem murdering people. To me, a person IS what they stand for. If people wanna call me a commie, cool, I am for the people taking care of each other. American Capitalism has run its course, just as Russian Coimmunism, time for American Capitalism to fall and become Socialism so we can become a better nation. You can't be serious. You want capitalism to end and socialism to take over because that will make us a better nation. Yeah, fuck the past 200 years and everything our country was found upon. Socialism. Unbelievable Quote She's a legislator, one like Bush, help the rich, fuck the poor. I don't care if she would be a great dinner date, fascinating conversationalist, I might enjoy discourse with her but think she should strap on a 3rd Reich armband when it comes to politics. She took money from the oil companies and gave it back to the citizens. then she cut her own perks to cut wasteful spending. She's help the people, fuck the lazy. Since you want Socialism to take over so bad, you might like her better with a 3rd Reich armband. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 806 #281 September 5, 2008 Surely the professor needs to do more fact checking. Oddly enough the "pack of lies" he refers to had many truths in them, as verified by the replies he posted. Learn how to read perfesser.I certainly hope your teaching skills are better than your internet research skills. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #282 September 5, 2008 Quote Surely the professor needs to do more fact checking. Oddly enough the "pack of lies" he refers to had many truths in them, as verified by the replies he posted. Learn how to read perfesser.I certainly hope your teaching skills are better than your internet research skills. Snopes says "False" Factcheck.org says "False" What part of "FALSE" do you not understand?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #283 September 5, 2008 Quote Ok we must be having two different conversations. My point remains the same as the original post of mine you responded to. correct: that was this line in post 193: "What's funny about people who are against Palin... when criticizing her experience they always forget she is the Governor of Alaska...NOT the mayor of some small town." Obama has nothing to do with it. All we're talking about is are we missing something when we call her small time. We're not. If you want to expand out, yeah, Obama should have been a candidate in 2016. Instead we're here now. But given a choice, he still beats out McCain, who talks the maverick line but lies, who is questionable on both the 1st and 2nd amendments, and who promises to continue the failed policies of the Bush Administration. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #284 September 5, 2008 yep I should have put conveniently forget which is what I meant. So it's Mr. Unqualified vs Mr. Liar. We're fucked. www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RkyMtnHigh 0 #285 September 5, 2008 This was hilarious from last night http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GliQjmuf8_s _________________________________________ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #286 September 5, 2008 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yeah if someone tries to take my money then fuck em. How can you chastise him for taking care of he and his own? If you want healthcare then go get some. Don't have the money, then get a job working for someone like lawrocket whose taking care of his people. I don't think lawrocket would hire me, we would canstantly be fighting over politics . This country has a lot of vilence, in large part to the anti-social system. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>She promotes abstinence but tells people to pay for their own healthcare. That doesn't make her a hypocrit. The two aren't even related. Yes it is, control on one end, apathy on the other; that is a contradiction. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>You can't be serious. You want capitalism to end and socialism to take over because that will make us a better nation. It's not black/white, my RW friend. I want the US to be quasi, capitlaist and socialist. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yeah, fuck the past 200 years and everything our country was found upon. Oh, you mean slavery, discrimination, antimiscegenation, classism, racism, ethnocentricity and some many other gems....yea, brings a tear to my eyes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>She took money from the oil companies and gave it back to the citizens. then she cut her own perks to cut wasteful spending. She's help the people, fuck the lazy. I'll believe more of that when I hear an objective version. Just like she didn't take the, "bridge to nowhere" money." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.Since you want Socialism to take over so bad, you might like her better with a 3rd Reich armband. Altho Nazi Germany was Socialist to my understanding, it was also totalitarian, which most/all contemporary Socialist nations are not. Hell, even Nazi Germany provided healthcare.... can't wait to be as humane as them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 806 #287 September 5, 2008 A professor using snopes to back his opinions. That's funny right there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #288 September 5, 2008 Quote A professor using snopes to back his opinions. That's funny right there. Better to check than deliberately post lies. You should try it sometime.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #289 September 5, 2008 i guess we need to watch all the interview of Obama with Oreily on mon, tues, wed night. the part he showed last night told me Obama still can't face the truth about his first open foriegn policy decission being wrong. like was said a couple days ago at the RNC, maybe Obama needs ask Mccain about foreign policy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #290 September 5, 2008 a few years back Gore had said "maybe we need to inflate gas prices to $5 a gallon so we can get people to start converting to alternatives because of global warming" i say the snip on CNN or fox a couple weeks ago Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #291 September 5, 2008 every policy on birth control is, and has been, a failure. the only thing that works, to a certain degree, is ALL parents expressing good values and safe practices to their kids. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 806 #292 September 5, 2008 I have. Unlike yourself, I read deeper than the bold headlines. I actually read the full contents and the referring pages. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,457 #293 September 5, 2008 People are too different from each other for any one policy to work (unless it's forced sterilization). Their motivations are too different, their personalities, and their libidos. That applies to both parents and to children. The fact that abstinence teaching is demonstrably not working on society as a whole does not highlight that the people on whom it doesn't work are defective. Instead it highlights that the use of a single approach to something as complex as human motivation is wrong. Teaching abstinence works for some. Facts work for some. Beatings work for some. Some make good decisions on their own. And some will make bad decisions no matter what. The thing that works best is the one that shows the biggest decline in teenaged birth rates. Not the one that makes you feel the best. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #294 September 5, 2008 Quote every policy on birth control is, and has been, a failure. the only thing that works, to a certain degree, is ALL parents expressing good values and safe practices to their kids. Compared to abstinence only programs, birth control education has been a remarkable success. Plenty of research to show that. Here's but one example.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #295 September 5, 2008 Quote I have. Unlike yourself, I read deeper than the bold headlines. I actually read the full contents and the referring pages. Apparently you didn't understand what you read. What part of "FALSE" don't you understand? By the way, three of the "referring pages" you posted give "Invalid Address" errors, so how exactly did you read them?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #296 September 5, 2008 but this is a local, parental issue not the feds issue. Parents need to step up and take care of their kids or be held responsible for them, not the feds Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #297 September 5, 2008 Quote but this is a local, parental issue not the feds issue. Parents need to step up and take care of their kids or be held responsible for them, not the feds How do you plan to make that happen?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 806 #298 September 5, 2008 Apparently we see facts differently. I have researched the details enough to satisfy my opinions - from sources much more reliable than the ones you reference. You're entitled to yours, however incorrect and media misleading as they are. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #299 September 5, 2008 Quote a few years back Gore had said "maybe we need to inflate gas prices to $5 a gallon so we can get people to start converting to alternatives because of global warming" i say the snip on CNN or fox a couple weeks ago And your conspiracy theory is that that's why gas was $4/gal? Not because it is traded on the world market? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #300 September 5, 2008 Quote Apparently we see facts differently. I have researched the details enough to satisfy my opinions - from sources much more reliable than the ones you reference. THREE of the "reliable" sources you cited give "Invalid Address" errors, so I think you didn't check very well. Try clicking on them in your post Quote You're entitled to yours, however incorrect and media misleading as they are. OK, so you are satisfied that your opinion is correct and factcheck.org and snopes are wrong. Tells us a lot about your opinion and your ability to check facts.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
