crappy palin speak

[normiss 806]

As if all that information was from Bush himself? He counted on other people that lied to him. I don't feel he should have all the blame land in his lap.

And Clinton also cut taxes for his budget:
While balancing the budget, running large surpluses and paying down the debt, the Clinton-Gore Administration has provided tax relief for working families. The tax cuts signed into law by the President in 1993 and 1997—including the expanded Earned Income Tax Credit, the $500 child tax credit, the $1,500 Hope Scholarship Tax Credit, and expanded IRAs—have cut taxes for American working families. Federal income taxes as a percentage of income for the typical American family have dropped to their lowest level in over 30 years.

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Factcheck.org discredits your post.

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

[normiss 806]

I had seen that response to some of the claims before. There's a lot of "wiggling" on his answers to most questions if you read them...so it's all left to interpretation, isn't it? He still will raise taxes, as all of his answers clearly state...he just won't give a clear answer on the actual amount.

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I'm glad someone knows how to pull this stuff up because i don't.

I wouldn't be too grateful...what he posted was a just a bunch of lies being circulated on email.

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

[normiss 806]

although most of it was validated by news sources...and the only discrediting is being done by "Obama's web site" or "Obama himself" in interviews....

and the answers aren't clear...you decide.

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I had seen that response to some of the claims before. There's a lot of "wiggling" on his answers to most questions if you read them...so it's all left to interpretation, isn't it? He still will raise taxes, as all of his answers clearly state...he just won't give a clear answer on the actual amount.

How else do you intend to pay for the massive amounts of money the US has spent over the last couple of years?

You are behaving like the typical person who maxes their credit cards and then gets upset that they have to pay back the money.

[marks2065 0]

no the mortgage meltdown was caused by stupid people . Maybe they should have read and understood the documents they signed. (i know did)
I refinanced my house and business during this time and used the low intrest to my advantage, not to overestend myself but to lower my monthly cost of living and doing business.(i didn't take money out of my equity) stupid people took the equity and blew it to pay for their frivolous spending and put themselves in a bad place and cost themselves their home.

[normiss 806]

You've expressed MY thoughts as well thank you.

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It remains to be seen how well she will speak unrehearsed and without a teleprompter

Not really. She's been interviewed before all this hoopla. On CNN an interviewer gave her some tough questions and she was articulate, resolute, and polished.

Based on the number of liberal posts in these Palin threads, its pretty easy to see she has you guys panicked. And for good reason.

The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer.

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I had seen that response to some of the claims before. There's a lot of "wiggling" on his answers to most questions if you read them...so it's all left to interpretation, isn't it? He still will raise taxes, as all of his answers clearly state...he just won't give a clear answer on the actual amount.

You must not have read the page I linked. Here, I'll post the contents.

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No. A new e-mail being circulated about Obama's tax proposals is almost entirely false.
Alert readers may already have noted that this chain e-mail does not provide links to any of Obama's actual proposals or cite any sources for the claims it makes. That is because they are made up.This widely distributed message is so full of misinformation that we find it impossible to believe that it is the result of simple ignorance or carelessness on the part of the writer. Almost nothing it says about Obama's tax proposals is true. We conclude that this deception is deliberate.


Our own sources for the following are Obama's own Web site and other statements, interviews with Obama's policy advisers, and a comprehensive analysis of both the McCain and Obama tax plans produced by the Urban-Brookings Tax Policy Center, plus additional sources to which we have provided links.Home Sales: The claim that Obama would impose a 28 percent tax on the profit from "all home sales" is false. Both Obama and McCain would continue to exempt the first $250,000 of gain from the sale of a primary residence ($500,000 for a married couple filing jointly) which results in zero tax on all but a very few home sales.

Capital Gains Rate: It's untrue that Obama is proposing a 28 percent capital gains tax rate. He said in an interview on CNBC that he favors raising the top rate on capital gains from its present 15 percent to 20 percent or more, but no higher than 28 percent. And as for a 28 percent rate, he added, "my guess would be it would be significantly lower than that." Furthermore, he has said only couples making $250,000 or more (or, his policy advisers tell us, singles making more than $200,000) would pay the higher capital gains rate. That means the large majority of persons who pay capital gains taxes would see no increase at all.


Tax on Dividends: Another false claim is that Obama proposes to raise the tax rate on dividends to 39.6 percent. Dividends currently are taxed at a top rate of 15 percent, and Obama would raise that to the same rate as he would tax capital gains, somewhere between 20 percent and 28 percent but likely "significantly" lower than 28 percent. This higher tax also would fall only on couples making $250,000 or more or singles making more than $200,000.


Taxing IRAs and 529s: Contrary to the claim in this e-mail, raising tax rates on capital gains or dividends would not result in higher taxes on any investments held in Individual Retirement Accounts or in popular, tax-deferred "college funds" under section 529 of the Internal Revenue Code. The whole point of such tax-deferred plans is that dividends and capital gains are allowed to accumulate and compound tax-free, and neither Obama nor McCain proposes to change that. And as previously mentioned, any capital gains or dividend income from stocks, bonds or mutual funds owned outside of tax-deferred accounts would continue to be taxed at current rates except for couples making over $250,000, or singles making more than $200,000.


Doubled Taxes? The claim that "Under Obama your taxes will more than double!" is also false. The comparative rate tables this e-mail provides for McCain and Obama are entirely wrong, as we explained in an earlier article March 13 about another false e-mail from which these tables are copied. It is supposedly a comparison of tax rates before and after the Bush tax cuts, but it grossly overstates the effect of the Bush cuts. Furthermore, Obama proposes to retain the Bush cuts for every single income level shown in this bogus table.


Estate Tax. The claim that Obama proposes to "restore the inheritance tax" is also false, as are the claims that McCain would impose zero tax and that Bush "repealed" it. McCain and Obama both would retain a reduced version of the estate tax, as it is correctly called, though McCain would reduce it by more.

The tax now falls only on estates valued at more than $2 million (effectively $4 million for couples able to set up the required legal and financial arrangements). It reaches a maximum rate of 45 percent on amounts more than that. It was not repealed, but it is set to expire temporarily in 2010, then return in 2011, when it would apply to estates valued at more than $1 million ($2 million for couples), with the maximum rate rising to 55 percent.

Obama has proposed to apply the tax only to estates valued at more than $3.5 million ($7 million for couples), holding the maximum rate at 45 percent. McCain would apply it to estates worth more than $5 million ($10 million for couples), with a maximum rate of 15 percent.


"New Tax" Falsehoods: The e-mail continues with a string of made-up taxes that it falsely claims Obama has proposed. He has not proposed a tax on new homes with more than 2,400 square feet, or a new gasoline tax or a tax on retirement accounts. The most laughably false claim is that Obama would tax "water."

Two claims in this message, while not completely false, are still grossly misleading.

The claim that Obama would impose "new taxes on natural resources" may refer to his support for a cap-and-trade system to reduce carbon emissions, which indeed would impose large costs on industries burning coal, gas or oil and, indirectly, on their consumers. But McCain also supports cap-and-trade legislation, and even coauthored an early version of a bill that reached the Senate floor this year. Obama's plan would give the federal government more of the revenue from auctioning pollution permits than McCain's plan. Whether cap-and-trade amounts to a "tax" is a matter of interpretation. The fact is neither McCain nor Obama call it that.

There is also some truth to the claim that Obama would impose "new taxes" to finance his health care plan, depending on your interpretation of "new." He has said he would pay for much of his plan "by allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire for people making more than $250,000 per year, as they are scheduled to do." That would certainly be a tax increase for those high-income persons, compared with what they are paying now. But whether that's imposing a new tax, or just letting an old one come back, depends on your point of view. It may well be that Obama will eventually propose tax increases to finance some of his plan. We've noted before that the "cost savings" that he says will finance much of his plan are inflated and probably won't materialize, according to independent experts we consulted. But it's wrong to say that he's proposing such taxes now.

The short answer to our reader's question is, no, this message isn't real. It's a pack of lies.

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

[normiss 806]

Our interpretation of those comments appears to differ somewhat.
As do the parts at the bottom that you omitted.
The parts that state that the only ones trying to disprove those comments, are Obama and his website.

"Capital Gains Rate: It's untrue that Obama is proposing a 28 percent capital gains tax rate. He said in an interview on CNBC that he favors raising the top rate on capital gains from its present 15 percent to 20 percent or more, but no higher than 28 percent"
HUH????


"Dividends currently are taxed at a top rate of 15 percent, and Obama would raise that to the same rate as he would tax capital gains, somewhere between 20 percent and 28 percent but likely "significantly" lower than 28 percent."
HUH???

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We need more taxes.

This is just one reason -a major reason- why Obama will lose in November.

Americans do not wante and will not tolerate more taxes.

I miss Lee.
And JP.
And Chris. And...

[marks2065 0]

no not a bunch of lies as your earlier post has shown. he has stated he will raise taxes and gave limits and these are just the upper limits he gave. since i never really believe politicians i take the worst poss and plan for that. that way i am in better condition incase it turns out better.

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You can take the person out of the trailer, but not the trailer out of the person, so we will see that in the debates with no prompter.

Now THAT sounds almost as elitist as BHO!

The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer.

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You've expressed MY thoughts as well thank you.

There has to be increased tax revenue of some sort to pay for the massive amounts of debt. Sticking your head in the sand and hoping you die before you have to deal with it isn't really good policy. That is how I see McCain behaving.

You talk about wanting a president who is able to make unpopular decisions. Telling people that as a country you have to pay for the decisions of your President is unpopular, but still something that needs to be done. So, what you really seem to mean is that you want a president who can make unpopular decisions you don't have to pay for.

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Americans do not wante and will not tolerate more taxes.

Should have thought about that before you gave a war monger a second term.

How do you intend for your country to pay for its debt?

[marks2065 0]

if you believe he is going to do what he says and not greatly increase taxes you are not very smart. hey do you want to do some buisiness? i got some great deals for you.

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although most of it was validated by news sources...and the only discrediting is being done by "Obama's web site" or "Obama himself" in interviews....

Show me where these claims were validated by the linked news sources. I actually looked, presumably you didn't. The CNN link in your post doesn't go to any verification, but while there, I found this about Obama's position on capital gains and dividends taxes.

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· Raise capital gains and dividend tax rates to 20% from 15% for couples making more than $250,000 and singles making more than $200,000.

That agrees with factcheck.org and directly contradicts the crap you posted.

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

[marks2065 0]

still a tax increase. what happened to the PROMISS "TAX CUTS FOR THE 95% OF AMERICANS"?
if this tax is exempt from that quote what other taxes are exempt? what tax will he cut?

[normiss 806]

It appears the crap I posted disagrees with the crap you posted.
I think we're possibly reading it the way we want to.

I still stand by what was posted...
PER THE CNN SITE:
Barack Obama
Opposed extending 2003 Bush tax cut law through 2010. Supports eliminating marriage penalty and extending child tax credit. Proposes a "making work pay" tax credit of up to $500 per person, or $1,000 per working family. Proposes eliminating income taxes for seniors making less than $50,000 per year and eliminating all capital gains taxes on start-ups and small businesses. Says he would reform the child and dependent care tax credit by making it refundable and allowing low-income families to receive up to a 50 percent credit for child care expenses. Favors tax cuts for middle-class workers and tax increases for top earners. Says he would restore the top two income tax rates to their pre-2001 levels of 36 percent and 39.6 percent.

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Her pregnant daughter holding hands with her "boyfriend". It was so constant that some one must have told them to hold hands on not let go. The guy also had this constant look on his face.....the look of, fuck I don't want to be here....should have pulled out sooner.

Poor kid looks like he shaves maybe twice a month. "Hey, wouldn't it be cool to fuck the Governor's daughter?"

You tell us, kid.

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It remains to be seen how well she will speak unrehearsed and without a teleprompter

Not really. She's been interviewed before all this hoopla. On CNN an interviewer gave her some tough questions and she was articulate, resolute, and polished.

Based on the number of liberal posts in these Palin threads, its pretty easy to see she has you guys panicked. And for good reason.

I completely agree. They have reason to worry. Even one poster goes so far as to compare Palin to a highschool drop out and trailer trash. You don't do that to an opponent that isn't threatening....you let them cut their own throat while you continue to appear to fight the good fight.

And if Biden is as smart as the dems say he is, he WILL NOT underestimate Palin during the debates like many posters have here.

They are mostly worried because her existence in this race specifically highlights Obama's lack of experienced and accomplishements. Even a very admired and intelligent poster admits Obama won't be qualifed until January 20th, 2009. If he isn't qualified now or come November then I'm not voting for him...period.

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This is a good point to make. The early 90's were not - hence the 94 elections. Then things got better (regardless of the economic plans. There are cycles). Then the dot com bubble burst, and you cannot revise history and say that the economy didn't shrink for two quarters at the end of Clinton's term. It did. The data proves it.

The budget was (putatively) balanced on the basis of a large influx of money - based on the economy. Then the bubble burst, and Enron and Global Crossing and the tech stocks went kaput. It wasn't "balanced" on our savings. It was "balanced" on income from stock-option millionaires with IPOs. NASDAQ was a bear market from March, 2000 through about November, 2003.

Look at eToys. $80 per share with its IPO in May, 1999. Less than $1 per share when it declared bankruptcy in Feb. 2001.

Clinton didn't drain us. Congress did, somewhat, but we drained ourselves in a speculative market.

We are seeing history repeat itself. And Republicans and Democrats are both the same at their core level - spend more money and make the federal government larger. The just differ on where and how they want to spend that money.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[marks2065 0]

just remember that the democrats control congress and that means they must have voted for the war spending over the last 4 years or it would have not been passed so i guess the democrats are war mongers also.

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if you believe he is going to do what he says and not greatly increase taxes you are not very smart. hey do you want to do some buisiness? i got some great deals for you.

Selective hearing is something we all fall prey to (myself included). Perhaps you only heard the parts of his acceptance speech in which he promised things that will cost money and didn't hear the part where he talked about paying for those things. I'll paste that entire portion for your review. No, it's not terribly in-depth, as an acceptance speech isn't the right forum for such detail. It does however clue the listener in that he has a plan for financing. Looking at the budget performance of the last 28 years of our history, you may notice 8 years that were not defined by massive deficit growth. Those 8 years suggest to me that the Democrats have become the more fiscally responsible of the two major parties.

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So -- so let me -- let me spell out exactly what that change would mean if I am president.

Change means a tax code that doesn't reward the lobbyists who wrote it, but the American workers and small businesses who deserve it.

You know, unlike John McCain, I will stop giving tax breaks to companies that ship jobs overseas, and I will start giving them to companies that create good jobs right here in America.

I'll eliminate capital gains taxes for the small businesses and start-ups that will create the high-wage, high-tech jobs of tomorrow.

I will -- listen now -- I will cut taxes -- cut taxes -- for 95 percent of all working families, because, in an economy like this, the last thing we should do is raise taxes on the middle class.

And for the sake of our economy, our security, and the future of our planet, I will set a clear goal as president: In 10 years, we will finally end our dependence on oil from the Middle East.

We will do this. Washington -- Washington has been talking about our oil addiction for the last 30 years. And, by the way, John McCain has been there for 26 of them.

And in that time, he has said no to higher fuel-efficiency standards for cars, no to investments in renewable energy, no to renewable fuels. And today, we import triple the amount of oil than we had on the day that Senator McCain took office.

Now is the time to end this addiction and to understand that drilling is a stop-gap measure, not a long-term solution, not even close.

As president, as president, I will tap our natural gas reserves, invest in clean coal technology, and find ways to safely harness nuclear power. I'll help our auto companies re-tool, so that the fuel-efficient cars of the future are built right here in America.

(I'll make it easier for the American people to afford these new cars.

And I'll invest $150 billion over the next decade in affordable, renewable sources of energy -- wind power, and solar power (OTCBB:SOPW) , and the next generation of biofuels -- an investment that will lead to new industries and 5 million new jobs that pay well and can't be outsourced.

America, now is not the time for small plans. Now is the time to finally meet our moral obligation to provide every child a world-class education, because it will take nothing less to compete in the global economy.

You know, Michelle and I are only here tonight because we were given a chance at an education. And I will not settle for an America where some kids don't have that chance.

I'll invest in early childhood education. I'll recruit an army of new teachers, and pay them higher salaries, and give them more support. And in exchange, I'll ask for higher standards and more accountability.

And we will keep our promise to every young American: If you commit to serving your community or our country, we will make sure you can afford a college education.

Now -- now is the time to finally keep the promise of affordable, accessible health care for every single American.

If you have health care -- if you have health care, my plan will lower your premiums. If you don't, you'll be able to get the same kind of coverage that members of Congress give themselves.

And -- and as someone who watched my mother argue with insurance companies while she lay in bed dying of cancer, I will make certain those companies stop discriminating against those who are sick and need care the most.

Now is the time to help families with paid sick days and better family leave, because nobody in America should have to choose between keeping their job and caring for a sick child or an ailing parent.

Now is the time to change our bankruptcy laws, so that your pensions are protected ahead of CEO bonuses, and the time to protect Social Security for future generations.

And now is the time to keep the promise of equal pay for an equal day's work, because I want my daughters to have the exact same opportunities as your sons.

Now, many of these plans will cost money, which is why I've laid out how I'll pay for every dime: by closing corporate loopholes and tax havens that don't help America grow.

But I will also go through the federal budget line by line, eliminating programs that no longer work and making the ones we do need work better and cost less, because we cannot meet 21st-century challenges with a 20th-century bureaucracy.

And, Democrats, Democrats, we must also admit that fulfilling America's promise will require more than just money. It will require a renewed sense of responsibility from each of us to recover what John F. Kennedy called our intellectual and moral strength.

Yes, government must lead on energy independence, but each of us must do our part to make our homes and businesses more efficient.

Yes, we must provide more ladders to success for young men who fall into lives of crime and despair. But we must also admit that programs alone can't replace parents, that government can't turn off the television and make a child do her homework, that fathers must take more responsibility to provide love and guidance to their children.

Individual responsibility and mutual responsibility, that's the essence of America's promise.

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)