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So you want to impose YOUR personal views on everyone else. NICE!

I speak for myself and the unborn who can not speak for themselves.

By that rationale....

every illegal that doesn't speak English should automatically get citizenship and be supported by those who pay taxes!

Hey, don't look at me...I'm just speaking for those that can't speak for themselves.

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you are right the women should decide not the government. this is why i lean more rep because the dems have too many programs they want to control that i don't want them to control. infastructure, laws and military, the rest leave to the states and people. health care, schools, welfare should be run by the states or by the people.

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So you want to impose YOUR personal views on everyone else. NICE!

I speak for myself and the unborn who can not speak for themselves.

By that rationale....

every illegal that doesn't speak English should automatically get citizenship and be supported by those who pay taxes!

Hey, don't look at me...I'm just speaking for those that can't speak for themselves.

They can speak, but don't pay taxes or have the right to vote, so their voices have no pull, similar to Felons who can not vote, or a 5 year old.

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It's more likely that R v W would be overturned than guns. The recent gun decision just came down and cemented that.

People said the same thing when Roe came out.

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Yet when the Repubs get a nod like the recent gun woner nod, they don't call that activism.

Mainly because it was just supporting a part of the BoR.'s They just upheld the Constitution over a City's law.

BTW I support the right to choose....Even if I don't 100% agree with the act.

Can you imagine the grief a city would get if they banned free speech? Or allowed any search?

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[Ron 10]

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So you want to impose YOUR personal views on everyone else. NICE!

Just like you want to do all the time.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=184097&title=Bristol-Palin's-Choice

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[billvon 3,006]

>And I am sure you would agree that Obama would push to ban firearms
>in his selections?

No.

I see this come up a lot. Several people here (Muenkel and Klingeme for example) have stated that they believe strongly that abortion should be illegal either across the board or nearly so (i.e. very limited exceptions for life threatening pregnancies.) Can you point to a single poster here who thinks all guns should be illegal? (again, with limited exceptions for the military etc.)

In the political world, McCain's running mate has stated quite clearly that she is "as pro-life as any candidate can be." Where is a similar statement from Obama or Biden stating they would ban all guns, or were "as against guns as any candidate can be?"

It's been my experience that democrats want restrictions (sometimes absurd restrictions) on gun rights, whereas republicans want to make abortion illegal, period. This flows from their basic philosophies. Republicans (especially the religious right) believe that abortion is murder, and thus murder should be illegal. Democrats fear gun violence and make a big show of trying to reduce it, and thus are always trying to ban assault weapons and restrict handgun ownership - but I have never once seen a democrat propose banning hunting or target rifles.

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And I am sure you would agree that Obama would push to ban firearms in his selections?

Some, perhaps, certainly not all, but we're talking apples and oranges here.

And that is the problem, who decides which guns are ok and which are not?

No gun should be banned, if bullets come out the end, they are essentially the same.

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So you want to impose YOUR personal views on everyone else. NICE!

He is just like you in that respect.

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Can you point to a single poster here who thinks all guns should be illegal?

I have not been around a while....But you really think you can claim that there are not people out there like that?

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It's been my experience that democrats want restrictions (sometimes absurd restrictions) on gun rights, whereas republicans want to make abortion illegal, period.

The Second Amendment says "Shall not be infringed".

What does the BoR's say about abortion?

Look at DC, the SC ruled and now DC is dancing around still trying to prevent people from owning handguns. Calling any gun that has a bottom feeding magazine a machine gun!?!?!!?!?

And Obama has said he will ban certain types of weapons. Just because it is not all weapons does not mean that it is not a ban and unconstitutional.

As for abortion....Yes, the religious types are against it and want it reversed. I personally do not agree with it, but do not think my will should be pushed onto others.

The irony here is that both groups think a ban will save lives. Both groups want to step on someone's rights.

My stance is to allow abortions, and firearms. I don't think I should stop others from exercising their rights.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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but I have never once seen a democrat propose banning hunting or target rifles.

Isn't THIS your state?

Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is!

[billvon 3,006]

>But you really think you can claim that there are not people out there like that?

Of course there are people out there like that. Pick any absurd viewpoint (i.e. all blacks should go back to Africa) and you'll find some lunatic, somewhere, who believes it.

But like I said - several people here have stated they wish to make abortion illegal. No one here has stated they wish to make gun ownership illegal. Palin has been clear that she wants to make abortion illegal; again, no one else running for the presidency has proposed making guns illegal.

>The Second Amendment says "Shall not be infringed".

Correct. And yet even gun-rights advocates do not support giving guns to felons. So we agree that there are reasonable infringements on that right.

>And Obama has said he will ban certain types of weapons. Just because it is
>not all weapons does not mean that it is not a ban and unconstitutional.

I didn't say it was. Banning certain kinds of weapons is akin to banning late term abortions. But again, we're talking about banning ALL weapons or ALL abortions.

(And I suspect not even you believe that the second amendment allows someone to own a functioning Patriot missile battery - thus we also agree that there are some level of restriction that is OK.)

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I'll prob piss people off with this BUT

How many women that are really going to VOTE are worried about getting accidentally prego? Really, take out the screaming pro-choice women and the screaming pro-life women out of the total and and how many women are going to be single issue women voters???

Over turn R vrs W............I mean is that the ONLY issue the majority of women look at? I just don't believe it.

Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

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The irony here is that both groups think a ban will save lives. Both groups want to step on someone's rights.

My stance is to allow abortions, and firearms. I don't think I should stop others from exercising their rights.

What he said.

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

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I'll prob piss people off with this BUT

How many women that are really going to VOTE are worried about getting accidentally prego? Really, take out the screaming pro-choice women and the screaming pro-life women out of the total and and how many women are going to be single issue women voters???

Over turn R vrs W............I mean is that the ONLY issue the majority of women look at? I just don't believe it.

You'd be surprised at how many women consider reproductive education and their reproductive rights to be very important, whether or not they believe themselves likely to get accidentally pregnant.

Just as I consider it highly unlikely that the feds would tap my phone without a warrant, quarter troops in my house without my consent, or imprison me without trial, but I still believe very strongly they shouldn't be doing those things to anyone else, either.

In other words, a lot of us think that "it's not all about ME"; a concept that seems unknown to the Republican party.

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but I have never once seen a democrat propose banning hunting or target rifles.

Isn't THIS your state?

"http//www.claremont.org/projects/pageid.1780/default.asp - did not match any documents"

PS the "THIS" link is your sig line:
"McCain/Palin 2008 because THIS is just scary! "

is an incredible distortion of the facts.

The "left wing board" it mentions was funded by a buddy of Ronald Reagan and was for school improvements. Not that facts seem to interest you.

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No gun should be banned, if bullets come out the end, they are essentially the same.

So a black powder muzzle loader and a .50 machine gun are the same?

I don't think so.

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is an incredible distortion of the facts

Is what they say true or not and if not, what statements are true and which are not?

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Not that facts seem to interest you.

Prove it, because anyone on here that knows me can tell you that is not true! Not to mention that is sounds something like a child would say............right before they were sent to their room.

Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is!

[kallend 2,027]

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is an incredible distortion of the facts

Is what they say true or not and if not, what statements are true and which are not?

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Not that facts seem to interest you.

Prove it, because anyone on here that knows me can tell you that is not true! Not to mention that is sounds something like a child would say............right before they were sent to their room.

That's easy - the "left wing board" (sic) was the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. A school reform initiative funded by the Annenbergs.

Yet another right wing smear - you guys must be desperate.

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In other words, a lot of us think that "it's not all about ME"; a concept that seems unknown to the Republican party.

ROTFLOL damn John. You do recall that a lot of us actually KNOW you?

But for these that don't I bet they all think you a great guy now

Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

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In other words, a lot of us think that "it's not all about ME"; a concept that seems unknown to the Republican party.

ROTFLOL damn John. You do recall that a lot of us actually KNOW you?

But for these that don't I bet they all think you a great guy now

Do you really imagine that supporting womens' rights benefits me in any way? Really?

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. . . Do you think Palin and McCain will push to make abortion illegal? I know that it is unlikely, but still...? Do you think the Supreme Court would just overturn Row. v Wade?

Digging into their positions, there are two salient points.

First they have beliefs as do we all, they both believe that life begins at conception and they both believe that abortion to save the live of the mother should be a choice.

Second, they have a legislative position regarding abortion. That position is that the states should control the laws regarding abortion, not the federal government. This is a practical and desirable position. Why? Because this is a contentious issue and a one size fits all approach will devide people on an emotional issue. Allowing the states to make the laws on the issue some will fall on one side and some on the other, in essence giving people a choice.

Disclosure: I support McCain-Palin.

Funny how righties are all about states rights when it comes to issues of importance to them. When it comes to issues they disagree with, all of a sudden the Feds need to step in and enforce Federal law.

Example # 1. The Oregon assisted suicide law. Oregon allows terminally ill patients to commit suicide with the assistance of medical professionals. ShrubCo fought this tooth and nail, all the way to the SC. Fortunately, ShrubCo lost.

Example # 2 - The states that allow medical marijuana. The Feds have been busting distributors of MM, even when the town they were operating in welcomed the opening of the store. Google Charles Lynch.

Why should a personal, private medical decision between an adult woman and her doctor be subject to the whims of state regulation?

If you want to rationalize that states rights must trump the Feds, you must be opposed to the Civil Rights laws of the 50s and 60s that forced segregated states to end institutionalized racism. After all, the people in those states felt (and many still feel) that white people should NOT be forced to share public accomodations with people who have different skin color. They trotted out bible quotes to support their positions, just like at anti-choice folks do. Where the heck did the Feds get off telling them that they had to treat people equally, regardless of skin color? It was and is a states rights issue, isn't it?

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Well you ARE married again John

but basically I was laughing at loud at the idea that somehow you aren't all about "ME"

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In other words, a lot of us think that "it's not all about ME"; a concept that seems unknown to the Republican party.

your such a giving person

Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

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No gun should be banned, if bullets come out the end, they are essentially the same.

So a black powder muzzle loader and a .50 machine gun are the same?

I don't think so.

Me thinks you are twisting his words. And to get a license for a full auto you need a FFL and a extreme background check goes w/ it.

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[billvon 3,006]

>And to get a license for a full auto you need a FFL and a extreme background
>check goes w/ it.

So they're not the same, either in practice or in the eyes of the law. That makes sense to me.