Israeli 'shooting video' causes outrage

[Darius11 12]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8ST5m9pREQ&feature=email


No wonder they don't like camaras or UN peace keepers around.
I wonder what people would do if they saw what the Israelis really do.
I have seen video of them braking the arms of a Palestinian teenager with boulders while he was detained. Countless stories of executions, killing children.


This video shows the true nature of the IDF. Cruel, unjust, and racists as ever.


I hate the fact that a single dollar of my tax money goes to a nation that still believes in apartheid.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[JohnRich 4]

Would you like for Iran to nuke Israel and kill them all?

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And now for the REST of the story...

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1006610.html




IDF officer in shooting probe linked to other Palestinian abuse case


The investigation began after the soldier, who was filmed shooting a Palestinian protester during a demonstration in the West Bank village of Na'alin, said he was just carrying out an order by Bruberg.

Bruberg said he told the soldier only to shake his rifle to frighten the
Palestinian, according to a military investigation.

In the video, Bruberg is seen holding the arm of the Palestinian, Ashraf Abu-Rahama, 27, while a soldier under his command opens fire at close range. Abu-Rahama sustained light wounds to his foot in the incident.

The incident in Na'alin was filmed by a Palestinian girl from a window of her home and sent to military authorities by the Israeli human rights group BT'selem in earlu July.

[Darius11 12]

Do you sniff glue?


Because I can’t figure out what your post has to do with the thread. No one mentioned Iran or nukes so I am trying to figure out if you are hallucinating.


You don’t see me mention Texas on everyone of your posts do you?

Try harder John

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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he was cutting to the chase. We know where your beliefs lie on the subject of both these countries. One good, one bad.

[Darius11 12]

I don’t believe one is good and one is bad, but I do believe the blame should be laid on the party that throws the first punch without any provocation.

A post should at least have some logic to it. Iran does not have nukes, I have never said I want Israel nuked, I have never said I want all the Israeli people to die.

What his posts repeatedly show to me is a lack of understanding. He seems to have formed this chain of events in his head that even when I post about cars he has something to say about Muslims, Iran, or some other stereotypical redneck garbage.


There is vast sea of options between saying nothing to racist regime, and killing everyone in that land with nukes that do not exsist. At least I believe there is I don’t think John does.


For one we should cut all aid.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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That is clearly a video demonstrating police brutality.

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I can’t figure out what your post has to do with the thread. No one mentioned Iran or nukes...

I'm ignoring your personal insult. Again.

You explained elsewhere that the Muslim religion believes that when an injustice has been committed, that retaliation is necessary to set things straight. You've also said in the past that you don't think the Jews should be living on Arab land. And you also post repeatedly about the abuses against the Palestinians.

So, putting all those elements together, the question arises:
Do you wish that Iran would nuke Israel?

That action by Iran would seem to satisfy all of the problems you have with Israel living on Arab land, abusing Palestinians, and achieving "justice".

So, try answering the question this time, instead of avoiding it.

[Darius11 12]

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I'm ignoring your personal insult. Again

Thats big of you
Yet it was a question, as I often can't even grasp what reality you live in

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You explained elsewhere that the Muslim religion believes that when an injustice has been committed, that retaliation is necessary to set things straight.

Yes Islam (the Muslim religion) believes in Justice, that does not mean every person who calls them selves a Muslim believes in justice. I am sure there are many bad people who call them selves Muslim.

Very much like every person who calls himself or herself a Christian does not believe in peace and turning the other cheek.

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You've also said in the past that you don't think the Jews should be living on Arab land. And you also post repeatedly about the abuses against the Palestinians.

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Do you wish that Iran would nuke Israel?

That would be mass murder of inocent people, so no. I hope no one ever uses another nuke again EVER.

What I do wish is for the people specially the Jewish Americans to wake up. They need to understand that this is not an anti-Semitic issue but a land dispute.
They need to understand the reason many hate Israel has nothing to do with their religion, but with the actions of the government.
I personally as a tax-paying citizen do not want to support such a regime and think my reasons for not wanting to is right inline with the very idea of what America stands for.

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That action by Iran would seem to satisfy all of the problems you have with Israel living on Arab land, abusing Palestinians, and achieving "justice".

We obviously do not think a like.
I don’t think I have the right to even suggest something that would end up killing one inocent life let alone millions. So attacking specially by Iran is not the way to go. It would be a bad move for everyone not to mention cold-blooded murder. The best people to show Israel the error of their way is there best friend the United States, and not by war.

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So, try answering the question this time, instead of avoiding it.

I did John I always do. If you like we can go back and check the posts to see who takes the time to answer questions more often.



Hey John here is one question for you.

What do you think of the video?

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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Bruberg said he told the soldier only to shake his rifle to frighten the
Palestinian, according to a military investigation.

While watching the video, from the first link, it appears that the captive is blindfolded. How would a blindfolded prisoner be scared of a weapon being shaken?

Randomly f'n thingies up since before I was born...

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Statement #1 by Darius: That would be mass murder of inocent people, so no. I hope no one ever uses another nuke again EVER... the reason many hate Israel has nothing to do with their religion, but with the actions of the government... I don’t think I have the right to even suggest something that would end up killing one inocent life let alone millions...

Statement #2 by Darius: This video shows the true nature of the IDF. Cruel, unjust, and racists as ever.

Do you see anything contradictory in these two statements?

On the one hand, you don't blame all the people of Israel, and recognize that there are a few "bad apples" who make government policy, and mostly innocent citizens.

But then you turn around and, because of the action seen in just one video, label the entire IDF as cruel, unjust and racist.

Uh-huh. I think you went over the line there in that second one. Just because there are a few bad apples, does not mean that you should call the entire group such names.

When Americans suggest that all muslims are evil or terrorists, you're quick to point out otherwise. But here you are doing the same thing against the IDF. Tsk tsk.

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Hey John here is one question for you.
What do you think of the video?

I can't tell what the heck is going on in that blurry, shaky video. Even if it does document one case of abuse, it does not mean that the entire IDF is guilty.

If I showed you a video of Palestinians firing rockets into Israeli homes, would that justify calling ALL Palestinians cruel, unjust racists?

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The video very clearly shows the soldier aim in on the blindfolded prisoners leg and firing. The article Amazon posted says the soldier was only told to shake his rifle at the prisoner. Which is ridiculous since that would have no affect on a person who is blindfolded. Unless the rifle had bells on it. Then it may have served to annoy.

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The point is.. the officer is UNDER INVESTIGATION....the IDF does not need stupid people that make the job of protecting their country any harder than it already is... I tend to think we do the same.. and prosecute those who do not wear our uniform and conduct themselves with honor... in spite of what the fuckwits in charge have lowered the bar to.

Personally I want our people taking the high ground... that is not idealism.. that is something that could actually WIN this war in the long run. Hearts and minds people.. its something that has been taught for a long time at COIN school and others.
The only other alternative in this war, is to eradicate ALL of them.. and I dont think we are prepared to do that...yet.

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Good points. Now do me a favor...just for a second. Visualize a rifle with bells on it. Now doesn't that kinda make you giggle?

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I can't help but notice everyone is ignoring the fact it was released by by AlJazeeraEnglish. Can anyone really take it seriously?

Yeah the dude was shot in leg while blindfolded but who was he? Who shot him? What did he do? What happened afterward? What country were the in? Did the guy actually get shot?

You're all arguing over an Al Jazeera video. The same fucks that posted videos of American beheadings.

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You're all arguing over an Al Jazeera video. The same fucks that posted videos of American beheadings

Oh believe me... I noticed but decided not to make an issue of it.. since that shows "racism" to all the "brown" people

As long as its not "brown" people being blown up.. beheaded ...burned and desecrated.... mutilated.. THAT seems ok with certain posters.

[Darius11 12]

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I can't help but notice everyone is ignoring the fact it was released by by AlJazeeraEnglish. Can anyone really take it seriously?

Yeah the dude was shot in leg while blindfolded but who was he? Who shot him? What did he do? What happened afterward? What country were the in? Did the guy actually get shot?

You're all arguing over an Al Jazeera video. The same fucks that posted videos of American beheadings.

That's funny that you assume that Al Jazeera has less credibility then the U.S. media. I remember when they showed pictures of dead US troops everyone was pissed of how could they! yet the very night before we were showing dead Iraqis. I find it sad that some have become so blinded that they don't even question their logic.
So they were wrong for showing what we did not want to see the truth. Unfortunately this seems to be an epidemic in the U.S. on many issues.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[Darius11 12]

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Do you see anything contradictory in these two statements?

On the one hand, you don't blame all the people of Israel, and recognize that there are a few "bad apples" who make government policy, and mostly innocent citizens.

But then you turn around and, because of the action seen in just one video, label the entire IDF as cruel, unjust and racist.

What you are missing is that this is not just this one incident i have posted many. Total disregard for human rights and human decency has occurred so often that it is their policy however for obvious reason they would not admit that. Very much like the Guantanamo case where only the bottom people got fucked while the higher command new about it.

They have been doing this and much much worst for more then 50 years and going, and going, and going

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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Now even though I don't necessarily agree with John on his viewpoint towards certain issues, I do stand beside him in his argument.

The IDF is a highly trained, very brutal force that doesn't joke around, and because of this, that is why Israel is relatively safe. When every single country beside you wants to erradicate you, you need a tough military force to keep things at bay. While the actions of this one particular soldier I don't agree with, I do support the IDF, and what they do to keep the innocent people in their country safe.

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IDF officer in shooting probe linked to other Palestinian abuse case


The investigation began after the soldier, who was filmed shooting a Palestinian protester during a demonstration in the West Bank village of Na'alin, said he was just carrying out an order by Bruberg.

Bruberg said he told the soldier only to shake his rifle to frighten the
Palestinian, according to a military investigation.

In the video, Bruberg is seen holding the arm of the Palestinian, Ashraf Abu-Rahama, 27, while a soldier under his command opens fire at close range.

Well, firing a rifle does cause it to shake...

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I don’t believe one is good and one is bad, but I do believe the blame should be laid on the party that throws the first punch without any provocation.

I'm not fully decided about Israel, since I think that I like it but also don't like the idea that the whole problem seems to have arisen when the nations of the world said, "Here, we'll dump the Jews that survived the Holocaust on land already occupied by someone; and we'll take it away from the people who are there in order to do it." Think of the many many billions of dollars that the U.S. has spent as a result of that boneheaded, wrongful decision.

But as for "throwing the first punch," why not bring up the way Palestinians fire rockets into Israel all the time? Into civilian areas and targets.

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There is vast sea of options between saying nothing to racist regime, and killing everyone in that land with nukes that do not exsist. At least I believe there is I don’t think John does.


For one we should cut all aid.

Yet you say that you don't support the destruction of Israel.

Just what do you think would happen to the funding of Israel's enemies if word got out that it had lost the funding and backing of the United States?

Do you think that countries in the Middle East would not dig deep into their pockets to buy terrorists or Hamas all kinds of goodies to lob into Israel?

While you're at it, spend some time imagining what Rodeo Drive in Beverly Hills would look like if the police announced that they would not respond to emergency calls about robbers or smash-and-grab thieves.

Spirits fly on dangerous missions
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I can’t figure out what your post has to do with the thread. No one mentioned Iran or nukes...

I'm ignoring your personal insult. Again.

You explained elsewhere that the Muslim religion believes that when an injustice has been committed, that retaliation is necessary to set things straight. You've also said in the past that you don't think the Jews should be living on Arab land. And you also post repeatedly about the abuses against the Palestinians.

So, putting all those elements together, the question arises:
Do you wish that Iran would nuke Israel?

That action by Iran would seem to satisfy all of the problems you have with Israel living on Arab land, abusing Palestinians, and achieving "justice".

So, try answering the question this time, instead of avoiding it.

Wht is everything just black and white in your world view?

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

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Bruberg said he told the soldier only to shake his rifle to frighten the
Palestinian, according to a military investigation.

While watching the video, from the first link, it appears that the captive is blindfolded. How would a blindfolded prisoner be scared of a weapon being shaken?

And why would the man holding the victim do so at arms length behind a door if he had only told the gunman to shake his weapon

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
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I can't tell what the heck is going on in that blurry, shaky video.

There is no man blinder than he who wishes not to see. In the words of Lord Admiral Horatio Nelson 'I see no signal'

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca