Republican supporters: How do you feel about the Religious Right?

[birdlike 0]

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My answer is, I can't stand the "Religious Right." I dislike all religion very strongly, and I just don't get with people who fall for it.

I'm curious to hear what you don't like about buddhism. Just curious.

Hmm... I don't guess that I have a lot against Buddhism. I don't claim to know or understand all that much about it, though.

I guess if I went looking for a problem with it, I'd zero in on the claim that a human being attained "enlightenment."

I think that claim is much like anyone claiming to have had a visitation from God that "proved" to him that God is real. How does he, we, or anyone know that what he experienced wasn't simply a powerful delusion?

What did it mean for Buddha to become "enlightened," in a real and practical sense? What did he then understand? What could he then accomplish? Did he manage to help any other human being become truly "enlightened"? How many people are believed, by Buddhists, to have followed Buddhism to actual "enlightenment" and are alive on earth today?

Because I want to know why people who are supposed to be enlightened can be enlightened about everything except how to get the rest of the world enlightened, so we can have peace for all. Where are the enlightened people, and why are they not on the world stage giving us clear instructions for how to run the world into being a peaceful place?

Spirits fly on dangerous missions
Imaginations on fire

[birdlike 0]

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It's important not to confuse the religious right with extremists. Many people who make up the religious right are simply believers who also place the Constitution as their number one priority in politics, not religion.

And their there are many who's whose ultimate goal is a c Christian theocracy.

I'd settle for a decent public school system!

Spirits fly on dangerous missions
Imaginations on fire

[TomSpoon 4]

Ronald Reagan was 72 when elected to his second term.

We now know that before the end of it he was suffering from alzheimers.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Zpf1DdArek


edited to add: I love that guy.

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[Lindsey 0]

Yes, some people get Alzheimer's dementia. A 48 y/o guy I knew died a week ago from a massive heart attack. OMG! Obama's 47! AND his risk of prostate cancer is pretty high. May need to consider that in voting for a black man with a family history of prostate ca.

linz

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and since I'm having all sorts of fun with youtube tonight.....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RV46fsmx6E&feature=related

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[airdvr 210]

Religious zealots scare me. Right, left, center...who cares.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

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Take religion out of politics and you take humanity out of politics. Take extremism out of politics and you improve society. I won't see either in my lifetime.

This was well put.

I'm Republican, but like to see "In God We Trust". To me that doesn't imply Jesus, or any other "prophet". God is, and it's important to acknowledge that.

The religious right does annoy me. They are all about Jesus, and their interpretation of him. And their interpretation of him can be pretty silly sometimes. But, then again, that goes for most prophet based religions, IMO.

We are all engines of karma

[jclalor 12]

Vote quimby!

[BDashe 0]

Vote repub usually, being an athiest, i dislike the religious right tremendously.

I'm also pro choice, but don't like the hippies in the trees in Berkeley either. Do something with your lives.

Basically, I believe in capitalism and I hate the gov't f*cking with my money.

So there I was...

Making friends and playing nice since 1983

[skydyvr 0]

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Vote repub usually, being an athiest, i dislike the religious right tremendously.

That seems like the longest oxymoron I've ever seen.

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[BDashe 0]

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Vote repub usually, being an athiest, i dislike the religious right tremendously.

That seems like the longest oxymoron I've ever seen.

Read my WHOLE post, it'll make more sense. I'm a fiscal conservative meaning I vote with my wallet every time.

Wasn't the point of the thread to see how repub. voters feel about the religious right? Well there you have it from my P.O.V. When I vote right it doesn't mean I fall into a cookie cutter McCainiac, just the lesser of two evils . As I said I'm pro choice and an athiest, but OVERALL minimization of regulation and (theoretical) spending while reducing taxes will always win my vote.

So there I was...

Making friends and playing nice since 1983

[misaltas 0]

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do you think that the Religious Right element is good for the Republican party?

It's been good for their wallets.

The RR changed then stole my party away from me.

The GOP used to stand for the freedom of the individual, self-reliance, the value and dignity of hard work, a smaller less interfering gov't, fiscal discipline, protection of the environment, rejection of the nanny state, power pushed away from feds and toward state/local, equal opportunity over equal outcomes, and the market's invisible hand.

I see less and less of these things in today's GOP and some of the above which are flat out reversed once the RR power brokers deemed them incompatible with their agenda.

I'm still waiting for anyone in the GOP to explain how exactly gay marriage threatens society and impinges on my rights without quoting a tiny piece of Leviticus (while rejecting the rest), or why gov't whims should outweigh an individual woman's right to control her own gestation. While at the same time, as long as they're getting paid, they have no problem destroying our planet (conservation? conservatism?) while paying no mind to Eisenhower's warnings about the mil-indust complex.

Is this True Republican pissed? Yep. I look at today's GOP and don't recognize it anymore.

Ohne Liebe sind wir nichts

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Read my WHOLE post, it'll make more sense.

I read your whole post and knew where you were coming from -- just couldn't resist the one sentence.

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[warpedskydiver 0]

I vote republican in lieu of a better choice being unavailable at election time.

I do not and will not condone a religious group running this country and I do not care what political affiliation they have.

I was raised a Catholic, and yet the RR or left still offers that I can become a christian.

The shit they spew is annoying, and actually kind of scary, if they believe the things they say, they must be stupid or brainwashed.

[Ion01 2]

Just a couple of comments:
The constitution or bill of rights never says seperation of church and state. That phrase came from a letter by Thomas Jefferson which basically said that is what he wanted stated.

Second, this country is founded on the idea that we have rights because they were god given. Without this it is simply survival of the fittest and there are no morals. This does not mean that the country is run by religion and does not mean that muslims or buddist aren't as free as anyone else.

[BDashe 0]

Cheers!

So there I was...

Making friends and playing nice since 1983

[jclalor 12]

Second, this country is founded on the idea that we have rights because they were god given.
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Here are some more God given rights:

leviticus
If a man has sex with his father's wife, kill them both. 20:11

If a man "lies" with his daughter-in-law, then both must be killed. 20:12

If a man has sex with another man, kill them both. 20:13

If you "lie" with your wife and your mother-in-law (now that sounds fun!), then all three of you must be burned to death. 20:14

If a man or woman "lie with a beast" both the person and the poor animal are to be killed. 20:15-16

People with "familiar spirits" (witches, fortune tellers, etc.) are to be stoned to death. 20:27

A priest's daughter who "plays the whore" is to be burned to death. 21:9

Kill everyone who has religious beliefs that are different from your own. 17:2-7

Anyone who will not listen to a priest or a judge must be executed. 17:12-13

Deuteronomy

False prophets are to be (you guessed it) executed. How do you know who is a false prophet? By whether or not their predictions come true. (Watch out Jehovah's Witnesses!) 18:20

Murderers and perjurers are to be executed -- "and thine eye shall not pity" them. 19:11-13, 18-21

"And thine eye shall not pity. Life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot." 19:21

These all sound like our god Given rights.

[PLFXpert 0]

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They annoy the hell out of me.

Ditto.

In the interest of full disclosure, I'm a registered Independent but tend to vote Republican. I also consider myself a Christian.

Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back.

[PLFXpert 0]

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I get as pissed off by the extremely secular as the extremely religious.

Ditto.

Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back.

[Ion01 2]

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Second, this country is founded on the idea that we have rights because they were god given.
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Here are some more God given rights:

leviticus
If a man has sex with his father's wife, kill them both. 20:11

If a man "lies" with his daughter-in-law, then both must be killed. 20:12

If a man has sex with another man, kill them both. 20:13

If you "lie" with your wife and your mother-in-law (now that sounds fun!), then all three of you must be burned to death. 20:14

If a man or woman "lie with a beast" both the person and the poor animal are to be killed. 20:15-16

People with "familiar spirits" (witches, fortune tellers, etc.) are to be stoned to death. 20:27

A priest's daughter who "plays the whore" is to be burned to death. 21:9

Kill everyone who has religious beliefs that are different from your own. 17:2-7

Anyone who will not listen to a priest or a judge must be executed. 17:12-13

Deuteronomy

False prophets are to be (you guessed it) executed. How do you know who is a false prophet? By whether or not their predictions come true. (Watch out Jehovah's Witnesses!) 18:20

Murderers and perjurers are to be executed -- "and thine eye shall not pity" them. 19:11-13, 18-21

"And thine eye shall not pity. Life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot." 19:21

These all sound like our god Given rights.

I won't waste my time in replying to this as you obviously have a minimal understanding of the Bible and the relations between the old and new testaments. Simply put the old testament is no longer in effect and no longer governs gods people.

[jakee 1,564]

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Second, this country is founded on the idea that we have rights because they were god given. Without this it is simply survival of the fittest and there are no morals.

Bullshit.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[TankBuster 0]

Hmm. I'm a Christian, and a conservative, so I suppose that makes me part of the religious right? There are alot of us out there, and our voice should be heard as much as anyone's. I don't think we will "take over the government" as someone suggested. There is a very vocal minority that gets alot of media coverage for the same reason most issues get media coverage - it's extreme, or it's bad news, and thats what sells advertising. No one in the media wants to hear me stand up and tell you about the simple love of Christ. It doesn't make good news. The only real power we have is the ability to vote, and if we constitute a large voting block, so be it. I can't speak for this large group that you guys seem to be so pissed off at or afraid of, but I can give you my take. First of all, just take religion out of the equation. Certainly it has a bearing on how I make decisions or how Obama (Christian) would make them, or how McCain/Palin (Christians) would make them, or how JFK (Christian) made them, or how Jimmy Carter (Christian) or Reagan(......you get the idea) because it is part of who we are. Your protection comes from the first amendment. My protection comes from the first amendment. So, let Hagee rant and let Robertson preach and let Wright spew, but always make sure that the 1st Amendment remains intact, and turn the channel.

The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer.

[jclalor 12]

Why is it Jesus defends the laws of the OT? When they bring him the adulterous women he has a problem. He cant say stone her as that contradicts his teachings and he cant say let her go as that violates old law. in a brilliant move he says the "He who is without sin" line
Show me in the NT anything about gays, it seems to me believers just cant reconcile a lot of the OT.

[SpeedRacer 1]

Jesus never says anything about gays. Says very little about sexuality, actually. Apparently it wasn't a priority.

Jesus' ministry only lasted about 3 years or so, and he said a lot of stuff. But ranting about gays & porno (although both existed in abundance at that time) was apparently not his top priority, or he would have spent more time on it, knowing that his time was short.

It seems that most of the loudest ranters & ravers about sex and homos & porn are the same men who seem to get caught trawling chatrooms for teenage boys or tapping their foot on men's room floors.

I wouldn't be too surprised if at some point in the near future we find the leader of the Westboro "baptist church" in bed with a male prostitute & a tube of KY in his hand. Maybe even a barnyard animal in a garter belt & fishnet stockings as well.

Speed Racer
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