Biden vs Palin...... Should Biden take the gloves off and go for the throat during the debates?

[jclalor 12]

It looks like Palin is going to keep a low profile before the election, do you think Biden should take off the gloves or go for the throat during the debates?

[Gawain 0]

Well, if he doesn't he can sure expect her to do so.

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[airdvr 210]

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It looks like Palin is going to keep a low profile before the election, do you think Biden should take off the gloves or go for the throat during the debates?

I would expect nothing less...from either of them. Problem with that is there's alot more crap to attack on Biden's side.

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[quade 4]

How is this even a question? The job of the VP candidate is to rip up the other side. Are you suggesting he pull punches because she's "inexperienced" or "a woman"?

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[jclalor 12]

Democrats are worried that if Biden goes after her too hard he will come off as a jerk, as Biden tends to get a little excited in debates. I hope he rips her a new asshole.

[Lucky... 0]

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Well, if he doesn't he can sure expect her to do so.

Yea, but she has mittens.

[Lucky... 0]

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It looks like Palin is going to keep a low profile before the election, do you think Biden should take off the gloves or go for the throat during the debates?

I would expect nothing less...from either of them. Problem with that is there's alot more crap to attack on Biden's side.

Right, having an opinion on abortion that <20% of the country shares is no biggy. As well as her stance on sex ed and then her 17YO daughter getting knocked up, well..... of course with the left families are off limits, let's see of the right has the same set of ethics.

[Lucky... 0]

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Democrats are worried that if Biden goes after her too hard he will come off as a jerk, as Biden tends to get a little excited in debates. I hope he rips her a new asshole.

Yea, I love people saying how she is such a great and experienced debater, yet he has 35 years as a Senator where debate is daily sometimes, she has 2 years as a Governor, where debate is occassional. It's a high schooler versus a seasoned lawyer......it's gonna be bloody and that's even if it isn't her time of the month.


Here's a thought, what if teh R's get elected, McSame soon croaks, she gets the pres bump and appoints someone even nuttier that herself, and then she become pregnant again? News headline: "The President's water just broke, she gave birth to a a baby Republican."

[airdvr 210]

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Democrats are worried that if Biden goes after her too hard he will come off as a jerk, as Biden tends to get a little excited in debates. I hope he rips her a new asshole.

Yea, I love people saying how she is such a great and experienced debater, yet he has 35 years as a Senator where debate is daily sometimes, she has 2 years as a Governor, where debate is occassional. It's a high schooler versus a seasoned lawyer......it's gonna be bloody and that's even if it isn't her time of the month.

She's not hiding from her beliefs. One thing you forget is the confidence that comes from knowing your value system, and knowing it well. I think you might be surprised.

Mr. Biden, OTOH has 35 years experience in lockstep with the party line.

Biden received five student draft deferments during this period, with the first coming in late 1963 and the last in early 1968, at the peak of the Vietnam War. In April 1968, he was reclassified by the Selective Service System as not available for service due to having had asthma as a teenager.

In 2007, Biden reported that he "garnered $67 million worth of projects" for his constituents through congressional earmarks.

Biden stated in 2002 that Saddam Hussein was a threat to national security, and that there was no option but to eliminate that threat. The Bush administration rejected an effort Biden undertook with Senator Richard Lugar to pass a resolution authorizing military action only after the exhaustion of diplomatic efforts. In October 2002, Biden voted in favor of the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq, justifying the Iraq War. He has long supported the appropriations to pay for the occupation, but has argued repeatedly that the war should be internationalized, that more soldiers are needed, and that the Bush administration should "level with the American people" about the cost and length of the conflict.

In September 1987, the campaign ran into trouble when he was accused of plagiarizing a speech by Neil Kinnock, then-leader of the British Labour Party.

It was also alleged that, during his time as a law student at Syracuse, Biden had plagiarized a law review article. Though the then-dean of the law school, as well as Biden's former professor, downplayed the incident, they did find that Biden drew "chunks of heavy legal prose directly from" the article in question.

"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy, I mean, that's a storybook, man."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Biden

There's lots of good stuff there.

Please don't dent the planet.

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[lawrocket 3]

It all depends on how it's received. Can Bden get away with his attacks? It's possible. However, it's also possible that she can perform some of the mental jujitsu on him.

Lucky brought up "high schooler" versus seasoned lawyer. Trust me - there is no difference. No matter what, if someone really believes in what they believe, then the lawyer can do little except paint those beliefs to be bad. When a seasoned lawyer has a field day is when the lawyer catches the other person in a lie.

A note for all: Democrats are lawyers. Lawyers run the party. Look back in history:

1976 - Carter (non-lawyer) and Mondale (lawyer)
1980 - Carter (non-lawyer) and Mondale (lawyer)
1984 - Mondale (lawyer) and Ferraro (lawyer)
1988 - Dukakis (lawyer) and Bentsen (lawyer)
1992 - Clinton (lawyer) and Gore (non-lawyer but started law school)
1996 - Clinton (lawyer) and Gore (non-lawyer but started law school)
2000 - Gore (non-lawyer but started law school) and Lieberman (lawyer)
2004 - Kerry (lawyer) and Edwards (lawyer)
2008 - Obama (lawyer) and Biden (lawyer)

Let's look at the GOP since then
1976 - Ford (lawyer)
1996 - Dole (lawyer)

Also for the GOP, Nixon was a lawyer. A typical one.

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[quade 4]

Uh . . . Lincoln was a lawyer wasn't he?

What happened to lawyers between Lincoln and Nixon?

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[Muenkel 0]

The only way he is not going to come off looking like an ass is if he doesn't debate her the same way he would debate a man. If we're going to break the gender gap then he should debate her fairly in regard to the issues and not take into account her gender.

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[TheAnvil 0]

Sure he should. And he should expect her to do the same. She'll undoubtedly kick his ass.

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[Rookie120 0]

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do you think Biden should take off the gloves or go for the throat during the debates?

WHat do you suggest he should do? Walk across the stage and give the nation a lesson on how to smack a bitch on national TV? I dont think he want to throw to much mud. He has enough shit in his closet also that would damage his image.

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

[quade 4]

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Sure he should. And he should expect her to do the same. She'll undoubtedly kick his ass.

Wow . . . this is probably the most ill informed thing I've read today.

Say what you want to about Biden, but he knows what is what when it comes to debates. She would not stand a chance in an actual debate with him. Not one chance.

It would be like putting a polar bear and a baby seal in the same room. Sure, you -may- root for the baby seal, but, uh . . . not a chance.

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[PeregrineFalcon 0]

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Sure he should. And he should expect her to do the same. She'll undoubtedly kick his ass.

Wow . . . this is probably the most ill informed thing I've read today.

Say what you want to about Biden, but he knows what is what when it comes to debates. She would not stand a chance in an actual debate with him. Not one chance.

It would be like putting a polar bear and a baby seal in the same room. Sure, you -may- root for the baby seal, but, uh . . . not a chance.

Wow, talk about making an uninformed statement. Unless you're from Alaska, I doubt you've heard Palin in any debates. I agree about Biden being VERY good at debates, but Palin is an unknown. So...you just don't know. A more informed statement would be that Biden has LOADS of experience on the national level that Palin doesn't.

To answer the thread's question. There was some STUPID comments from pundits questioning whether Biden should treat Palin with kid gloves. I doubt he was ever thinking to do that. Biden can be vicious and clever at the same time in debates and a couple of those debates he was going for the throat of Obama. Then when Palin gave her speech at the RNC, it was a pretty tough one. The same pundits said that Biden now had been given an open door to go for the throat and they were asking if her tough speech was a mistake. As if Biden will do anything but go for the throat.

[quade 4]

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I agree about Biden being VERY good at debates, but Palin is an unknown. So...you just don't know.

I listened to her speech. That's all I needed to know. There were a ton of holes in it. Biden isn't just going to leave the holes open.

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[Gawain 0]

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I agree about Biden being VERY good at debates, but Palin is an unknown. So...you just don't know.

I listened to her speech. That's all I needed to know. There were a ton of holes in it. Biden isn't just going to leave the holes open.

Well, he sure knows how to talk...

However, he's left a treasure chest of goodies for the Republican ticket to throw back at him...should be good debates I think.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[kelpdiver 2]

Al Gore proved you can lose in victory - he sounded like a total ass in 2000. Biden has to avoid repeating this.

Otherwise, it should be easy stuff.

[crwtom 0]

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It looks like Palin is going to keep a low profile before the election, do you think Biden should take off the gloves or go for the throat during the debates?

I'd guess the general strategy would be that Hillary Clinton will roughen up Palin before she even gets into the debate.

Biden can then split his answers between curt acknowledgments of Palin's existence and spend the rest of his time appraising the dysfunctionalities of the GOP and McBush's tired and worn out outlook for the country.

Remember - people vote for the top of the ticket.

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[PeregrineFalcon 0]

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Remember - people vote for the top of the ticket.

Normally. But there are a great many conservatives out there who were just going to sit this election out because of a few liberal views McCain has that are now thinking they might go to the polls. Palin has become a big deal to them. I still don't think it's enough to get the victory, but she's become a political star over night. I'm guessing it's for three reasons. 1. She's more conservative than McCain. 2. In her brief history as governor, she's shown she's willing to be a whistle blower against corruption, even in her own party. 3. She's got a vagina. I'm not sure the particular order of those three, but they're very important to people.

I'm an issues and leadership man, myself, and while reason number 2 is actually pretty impressive to me, the issues and leadership are more important.

[Erroll 80]

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...should be good debates I think.

To what extent do these debates actually influence the electorate?

From my (South African) vantage point, they make for good TV viewing, interesting media analyses the next day, and some points scoring on SC.

[alw 0]

I would expect Palin to challenge him to quit being condescending and "bring it on" if he doesn't. Things to watch for:

Biden stated on MTP this week that he believes that life begins at conception, opening himself up to governing outside his beliefs or sanctioning personally the taking of life by another.

While you can argue records on Palin's foreign policy, you can also argue records on Biden's domestic policy.

Both are going to enter the debate with ample ammmunition on the other, but don't expect the attacks to come there, they will both focus on their running mates with advantage to Palin on McCain's experience and advantage to Biden on McCain's party affiliation. either way it becomes a debate about McCain.

In the end, Biden has a tall hill to climb to win the debate where as Palin only has to avoid looking unprepared.

What not to look for: Experience, Palin will want to discuss it, Biden will not. Bush, Biden will want to discuss it Palin will not. Roe v. Wade, Biden will avoid this subject because McCain's position is not what most people think and Biden will not want to make that known. (Note this is Roe v. Wade, not the more general topic of abortion).

In any event, the VP debate is entertainment and the star will be Palin, win lose or draw. The meat and potatoes is in the Pres debates and they will likely be a draw. Obama has the star power, McCain is the better debater with more experience.

Barring any huge gaffs (the likely outcome is that they will all be even) advantage goes to the underdog. You run harder when the bear is chasing you.

BTW big bump for the GOP this morning. The acid in the blogs is aparently turning people off. In the media MSNBC is starting to understand that Obermann is hurting their ratings. What seem to be forgotten is that after elections the majority of people don't wear party labels on their foreheads.

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[Gawain 0]

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...should be good debates I think.

To what extent do these debates actually influence the electorate?

From my (South African) vantage point, they make for good TV viewing, interesting media analyses the next day, and some points scoring on SC.

You're right, 80% of the folks here know who they're going to vote for and they aren't going to be swayed to any significant extent. The one exception being if someone does something really stupid...

However, there's about 20% of us who are "moderate" to the point of not wanting to take a side...apathetic to a point I guess...the debates will hopefully stir that up a bit...

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[lawrocket 3]

Sorry. I should have said "recent history."

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