Amazon 7 #226 September 22, 2008 QuoteDo you know how many cops have died in the line of duty this year? 89. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And your point is? How many of those knew the job was dangerous when they signed on? I wonder if he knows how many of our troops have died this year in the wonderful little right wing adventure in Iraq. They certainly use the same lines when THEY denigrate people who point out how many of our kids have died. They always use that line....the all volunteer Army Navy USAF... all knew they could die.. or should have. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #227 September 22, 2008 QuoteThe fact is that you made a joke about shooting cops. No dude, she didn't. She made a comment about shooting criminals, since her local sheriff's department is useless. She worded it somewhat ambiguously, although everyone but you knew what she meant. I used that ambiguity as an opportunity to point out that Ice-T, who's group Body Count recorded the song Cop Killer, went on to play a cop on television. QuoteYou would not make a joke about victims of 9\11 would you? Well what makes this ok? Give us a fucking break. Do you really believe that a cop dying on the job is as tragic as office workers dying in a terrorist attack that most of them never anticipated? If your job is too scary for you, you should find a new line of work.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #228 September 22, 2008 Quoteooh...I want to read more. Do tell. When did communism work pretty well, where, when and dates please. Seems to work pretty well in the US Army.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nanook 1 #229 September 22, 2008 QuoteQuoteooh...I want to read more. Do tell. When did communism work pretty well, where, when and dates please. Seems to work pretty well in the US Army. Since the Army isn't self-contained to where it generates its own money, this can't be a good example. All Army income comes from the outside. Now those communes in New Mexico. . . but they are way small and exist inside the bubble of a larger country. . ._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #230 September 22, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteBut in case you haven't read, the USSR is no longer; it's been dissolved around the time of the falling of the Berlin Wall.....perhaps you don't keep up with news, it was kinda obscure. So, you're saying that Communism didn't work, then...cool - maybe now you'll come to your senses on that crap. Actually it worked pretty good for a long while ooh...I want to read more. Do tell. When did communism work pretty well, where, when and dates please. It greatly raised the living standard of Russia and brought it into the second world. So within historical context it worked pretty well in that regard. No no no no no...you said it worked pretty good for a long while. Seriously, please tell. "Communism" brought Russia into the second world and then around the late 80s it went back to the third world... a long while. By that measuring stick it worked pretty good, by many others it didn't. So, from 1920 to 1980-ish..? That's sixty years. Our republic has been running strong, and somehow still manages despite how these clowns in Washington try to break it, for over 200 years. How's that track record? Better, worse?So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #231 September 22, 2008 Quote Since the Army isn't self-contained to where it generates its own money, this can't be a good example. All Army income comes from the outside. So being funded in a socialist manner makes the military a bad example of communism? Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #232 September 22, 2008 Quote Quote My next door neighbor is a cop.. and a good one.. and he is my friend. He also thinks our county sheriffs are worthless. So it's just the county sheriffs you don't like. Well why didn;t you say so. The fact is that you made a joke about shooting cops. THAT IS NOT FUNNY, AND NOT SOMETHING TO JOKE ABOUT...EVER. You can't have it both ways. You can't joke about shooting cops in one post, then play it off like it was my misunderstanding. When I asked you to clarify, you made it very clear with your comment about getting the doughnut shit on your carpets. You would not make a joke about victims of 9\11 would you? Well what makes this ok? Blondie, relax. Nobody made a joke about shooting cops. Why don't you just watch these forums for a while, laid-back and with open mind? You're aboard since few weeks about 47 posts. For that short time, you already have a pretty big mouth. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nanook 1 #233 September 22, 2008 Yes. The army has rank, pay structures, and enlisted vs officer positions. Definitely not egalitarian._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #234 September 23, 2008 QuoteYes. The army has rank, pay structures, and enlisted vs officer positions. Definitely not egalitarian. Right. Salute the rank, not the man. Pay is based on rank and time, not individual performance. Individual performance might help one get promoted, but it might not. The army is nowhere near the capitalist end of the dichotomy. That doesn't leave much in the way of alternative descriptors.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #235 September 23, 2008 QuoteQuoteYes. The army has rank, pay structures, and enlisted vs officer positions. Definitely not egalitarian. Right. Salute the rank, not the man. Pay is based on rank and time, not individual performance. Individual performance might help one get promoted, but it might not. The army is nowhere near the capitalist end of the dichotomy. That doesn't leave much in the way of alternative descriptors. Time in grade is one factor for promotion. Individual performance is the main factor. That argument ignores the original point that the military is funded from an outside source. Extremely poor example of communism. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #236 September 23, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Yes. The army has rank, pay structures, and enlisted vs officer positions. Definitely not egalitarian. Right. Salute the rank, not the man. Pay is based on rank and time, not individual performance. Individual performance might help one get promoted, but it might not. The army is nowhere near the capitalist end of the dichotomy. That doesn't leave much in the way of alternative descriptors. Time in grade is one factor for promotion. Individual performance is the main factor. That argument ignores the original point that the military is funded from an outside source. Extremely poor example of communism. Also very important is shooting scores, and physical fitness evaluations. If a soldier is to become a leader, they should possess the qualities that others are required to achieve. All soldiers are warriors is the ideology, no matter what your MOS/RATE is, you may actually wind up fighting just like a grunt. IMHO, all of the above is necessary, PT, Marksmanship, Proficiency in job, Time in grade (to an extent), Time in Military (to an extent) also important is how much more training the soldier has received, we want the best to lead. Unfortunately from around the early 90's until just a few years back, there were many who were promoted as some type of military "Affirmative Action" That was an atrocity. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #237 September 24, 2008 QuoteTime in grade is one factor for promotion. Individual performance is the main factor. I was in long enough to know first hand that politics (like office politics, not like partisan politics) play as big or bigger role in promotion than individual performance. QuoteThat argument ignores the original point that the military is funded from an outside source. Extremely poor example of communism. I addressed the outside funding in a previous post, not that outside funding would preclude communism. We had no problem considering Cuba a communist country when they were receiving a substantial portion of their funding from USSR (i.e. funded from an outside source).Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #238 September 24, 2008 QuoteI was in long enough to know first hand that politics (like office politics, not like partisan politics) play as big or bigger role in promotion than individual performance. Oh man.... a truly astute first hand observation. That was my first hand observation as well.... and I would have to add..... good ole boy network was a primary source of brownie points too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
