Bmore_chrissy 0 #26 September 11, 2008 Quote Frankly, I'm not a fan at all so far. IF anyone is familiar with Donnie Darko, I keep getting the impression that she's like the character that Beth Grant played (the ultra conservative school teacher). Ian Sometimes I doubt your commitment to sparklemotion! Sorry, but I don't trust anyone who wants to teach creationism in a science classroom, or who holds her stance on abortion. In my opinion, which may vary greatly from others,' those two things allow me to label her a 'nutcase.' I don't trust someone who wants to combine those values with a political agenda. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenfly00 0 #27 September 11, 2008 Quote8) While mayor of Wasilla she tried to fire the city librarian because the librarian refused to censor books. What Books do belong in a public Library? Where do you draw the line? Should we have Hustler in periodicals section right beside Time and Newsweek? Hey It might get the kids back into the library. How about the Anarchist Cookbook? Bomb Building 101? Where do YOU draw the line? I draw it the same place the librarian in question drew it "The books in the Wasilla Library collection were selected on the basis of national selection criteria for libraries of this size, and I would absolutely resist all efforts to ban books.'"----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #28 September 11, 2008 Quote Sometimes I doubt your commitment to sparklemotion! Don't make me write on the 'lifeline' Performance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenfly00 0 #29 September 11, 2008 Quotedirect quote from factcheck.org "Emmons continued to serve as librarian until August 1999, when the Chicago Tribune reports that she resigned" Sigh. Did any of you actually read the article?!?!?! QuoteWASILLA -- Back in 1996, when she first became mayor, Sarah Palin asked the city librarian if she would be all right with censoring library books should she be asked to do so. According to news coverage at the time, the librarian said she would definitely not be all right with it. A few months later, the librarian, Mary Ellen Emmons, got a letter from Palin telling her she was going to be fired. The censorship issue was not mentioned as a reason for the firing. The letter just said the new mayor felt Emmons didn't fully support her and had to go. Emmons had been city librarian for seven years and was well liked. After a wave of public support for her, Palin relented and let Emmons keep her job. [edit] QuoteWere any books censored banned? June Pinell-Stephens, chairwoman of the Alaska Library Association's Intellectual Freedom Committee since 1984, checked her files Wednesday and came up empty-handed. Pinell-Stephens also had no record of any phone conversations with Emmons about the issue back then. Emmons was president of the Alaska Library Association at the time.Books may not have been pulled from library shelves, but there were other repercussions for Emmons. Four days before the exchange at the City Council, Emmons got a letter from Palin asking for her resignation. Similar letters went to police chief Irl Stambaugh, public works director Jack Felton and finance director Duane Dvorak. John Cooper, a fifth director, resigned after Palin eliminated his job overseeing the city museum. Palin told the Daily News back then the letters were just a test of loyalty as she took on the mayor's job, which she'd won from three-term mayor John Stein in a hard-fought election. Stein had hired many of the department heads. Both Emmons and Stambaugh had publicly supported him against Palin. Emmons survived the loyalty test and a second one a few months later. She resigned in August 1999, two months before Palin was voted in for a second mayoral term. ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 851 #30 September 11, 2008 I did. It states she wasn't fired. It sucks to fire people. It comes back at you in the strangest ways sometimes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #31 September 11, 2008 Quote Yes Then let me be the 2nd on the list of nutcases. _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #32 September 11, 2008 Chris get in line. I'll have no queue jumping in MY post - thanks mate. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #33 September 11, 2008 QuoteWhy is she a nutcase? Because she disagrees with you outlook on life? Because she has a strong belief in God? The MOST terrifying words you can hear is I run the government and I want to impose my 2000 year old superstitions on you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrophyHusband 0 #34 September 11, 2008 you are convinced that that emmons was fired for refusing to ban books even though it has not been proved to be true. i believe that you would latch onto anything bad about sarah palin because you WANT to believe everything bad about sarah palin. having this discussion with you is worthless. "Your scrotum is quite nice" - Skymama www.kjandmegan.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrophyHusband 0 #35 September 11, 2008 QuoteYes i've known many very intelligent people who are devout christians and are very strong in their beliefs. these people are fully capable of making sound decisions. i may not agree with their religious views, but that doesn't necessarily make them nutcases. as with anything, one can go over the line into the nutcase realm. you and i just draw the line in as different place. "Your scrotum is quite nice" - Skymama www.kjandmegan.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #36 September 11, 2008 I agree with you (mostly) I have some very good friends and family that are very religious and I still like to take the mick out of them too. But she is starting to come across as something else and I don't like the vibe that I'm picking up. Power and extreme views form a potentially dangerous combination IMHO (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrophyHusband 0 #37 September 11, 2008 QuotePower and extreme views form a potentially dangerous combination IMHO very true, and honestly, her religious views are in the negative column for me too, but i don't believe that she will impose her views on the citizens. i could be wrong, but i like the rest of her so i'll take that gamble. "Your scrotum is quite nice" - Skymama www.kjandmegan.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenfly00 0 #38 September 11, 2008 Quoteyou are convinced that that emmons was fired for refusing to ban books even though it has not been proved to be true. i believe that you would latch onto anything bad about sarah palin because you WANT to believe everything bad about sarah palin. having this discussion with you is worthless. Your dishonesty and/or ignorance of the subject is repugnant. I'm done with you.----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #39 September 11, 2008 Good luck with that. One last thought : Anyone that is actively seeking power should NEVER be allowed to have it. CYA (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #40 September 11, 2008 Quote John Kallend...calling John Kallend. You want to handle this? Check the facts FIRST. Then post. Agreed?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #41 September 11, 2008 Quote Quote John Kallend...calling John Kallend. You want to handle this? Check the facts FIRST. Then post. Agreed? Thank you...check's in the mail.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TankBuster 0 #42 September 11, 2008 QuoteThe MOST terrifying words you can hear is I run the government and I want to impose my 2000 year old superstitions on you. (Our superstitions are much older than that, but thats not the point.) How would she do that? I don't think she'll repeal the 1st amendment. And RvW is in no danger. BTW how is it that we are SO concerned with the firing of a librarian, but no one cares that BHO began his political career with Bill Ayers and only recently threw him under the bus? Or that Todd had a DUI 20 years ago but no one is concerned that BHO did cocaine? As VP and even potentially the P, she ain't gonna force you to go to church.The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #43 September 12, 2008 Quote Quote wow. Nice spread of rumor there. Could this be considered abuse of YOUR position??? LOL - not sure how it's rumor given the article citings. Not to mention that it's common knowledge she's being investigated for abuse of power. As for the moderator quip, I must have missed the memo where we're not allowed to have an opinion on someone - I'll check the power abuse forums just to be sure though I'm pretty sure you're just plain old out of luck on that one though Ya, and YOU should look into those "abuses of power' from some other sources. Why all you so afraid of her? It is getting dam fucking funny"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #44 September 12, 2008 Quote I guess, since no-one is providing any sort of intelligent rebuttle, or statement proving the alleged 'falsehoods' then it must be true? Bueller? Bueller? So, she is guilty until proven inocent? Oh dam, I forgot, for the left it is the seriousness of the accusation, not the evidence that counts"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #45 September 12, 2008 QuoteYes So, your paranoia is her problem?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #46 September 12, 2008 Quote Quote His favorite of late is factcheck.org It cites plenty of reasons to not believe the rubbish being spewed here. and I'm always out of luck with moderators here! factcheck.org debunks her book-banning and creationism-pushing rumors. http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/sliming_palin.html i'm also predicting that the abuse of power investigation will turn up no wrong doing on her part as well. it doesn't matter though, there are many people who would hate the republican ticket no matter who they are and will readily believe anything bad about them. If some on this site would care to really take a look. The abuse of power claims have little to do with the situations. Troopergate comes to mind. Do you all think that this would be quiet on NBC, CBS,ABC and the rest of the Obama networks it any of this had anything to it"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #47 September 12, 2008 Quotedirect quote from factcheck.org "Emmons continued to serve as librarian until August 1999, when the Chicago Tribune reports that she resigned" And she left after Palin was not if office anymore"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #48 September 12, 2008 QuoteQuote 4) She is a champion for big oil and supports drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and everywhere else. So are MANY people. Drill NOW!! I know this is really for another thread but I thought I'd point out that OPEC is cutting back on production because of higher inventories. That is why we need to drill now"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #49 September 12, 2008 QuoteQuote Frankly, I'm not a fan at all so far. IF anyone is familiar with Donnie Darko, I keep getting the impression that she's like the character that Beth Grant played (the ultra conservative school teacher). Ian Sometimes I doubt your commitment to sparklemotion! Sorry, but I don't trust anyone who wants to teach creationism in a science classroom, or who holds her stance on abortion. In my opinion, which may vary greatly from others,' those two things allow me to label her a 'nutcase.' I don't trust someone who wants to combine those values with a political agenda. How about teaching it in a public school at all? Not in a science class?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #50 September 12, 2008 Quoteyou are convinced that that emmons was fired for refusing to ban books even though it has not been proved to be true. i believe that you would latch onto anything bad about sarah palin because you WANT to believe everything bad about sarah palin. having this discussion with you is worthless. Ditto"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
