Earlier Today I Was Thanked for Helping Elect Obama

[rushmc 23]

God I hope I can keep it up

http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/Zogby_McCain_Surges/2008/09/13/130504.html

Dont like NewMax? OK Look here

www.zogby.com

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jenfly00 0]

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God I hope I can keep it up

http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/Zogby_McCain_Surges/2008/09/13/130504.html

Dont like NewMax? OK Look here

www.zogby.com

Your sphere of influence of influence is limited to those your reading your posts and those few individuals who interact with you away from your keyboard. Not enough to influence national polls, I'm afraid.

But don't sell yourself short. You've done quite well with your smaller audience.

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"O brave new world that has such people in it".

[1969912 0]

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Your sphere of influence of influence is limited to those your reading your posts.........."

Please send me some of whatever you're taking!

"Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ."
-NickDG

[MikeForsythe 0]

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Your sphere of influence of influence is limited to those your reading your posts and those few individuals who interact with you away from your keyboard. Not enough to influence national polls, I'm afraid.

Are you sure? I don't agree. The last time I was involved in politics was when I voted for Gore and my own county (Palm Beach County, FL) screwed our nation. Forward to the present time, because of what I have read on here and the radical/hostile views presented I have done the following:

Changed parties, registered to vote again, donated on both the local and national levels, volunteered 12 hours so far on the campaign.

So as you can see, the effect has grown outside of these forums.

Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is!

[jenfly00 0]

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Your sphere of influence of influence is limited to those your reading your posts and those few individuals who interact with you away from your keyboard. Not enough to influence national polls, I'm afraid.

Are you sure? I don't agree. The last time I was involved in politics was when I voted for Gore and my own county (Palm Beach County, FL) screwed our nation. Forward to the present time, because of what I have read on here and the radical/hostile views presented I have done the following:

Changed parties, registered to vote again, donated on both the local and national levels, volunteered 12 hours so far on the campaign.

So as you can see, the effect has grown outside of these forums.

You can't give him all the credit. Mainly, you became old and fearful.

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"O brave new world that has such people in it".

[lawrocket 3]

My opinions have been changed quite often on here. On the basis of my change of opinion, I have had some influence on some people. Just because the thought is not mine does not mean the thought is less credible.

Jen - while on these forums (which supports your viewpoint), many of your posts have caused me to ponder and reason and analyze myself with a critical eye. This, of course, affects people outside of this forum.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

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My opinions have been changed quite often on here. On the basis of my change of opinion, I have had some influence on some people. Just because the thought is not mine does not mean the thought is less credible.

Jen - while on these forums (which supports your viewpoint), many of your posts have caused me to ponder and reason and analyze myself with a critical eye. This, of course, affects people outside of this forum.

What positions have you changed as a result here? Who else have you changed here? I disagree, people are formed genetically and socially by their environment at a very young age, if they change, it probably isn't by a posting board. I was changed by my learnings in college, but other than that I was not changed by the military, other than learning some discipline, but a job in the civilian world might have done that instead.

I think differences in posting boards make people more resolute with their current opinions and values. For example, fiscal Repubs become more resolute even tho you can show them data that the last 3 presidents have had the debt climb uncontrollably, while the 1 Dem inbetween them started to fix the problem, at least as far as major data shows. They will not address this, they just run away and become more determined that they are right. If people do change, esp as adults, for 1 they have to want to, but it is probably by something more interpersonal than a posting board.

I like reading your posts, but as most, they are biased. To be critical, the underlying message is, 'do for yourself or go die in the gutter; and employers are so victimized.' And I'm sure my posts have the ring of pro-socialization and cops are scum. Well, the truth is usually found in the middle somewhere and these are no different. I just had an experience with a cop to make me think they are great and I'm sure you have the occassional experience with an employee that makes you scrap your opinion of how employers are gods, employees parasites.

But as for a posting board changing a person's ideology................

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God I hope I can keep it up

http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/Zogby_McCain_Surges/2008/09/13/130504.html

Dont like NewMax? OK Look here

www.zogby.com

McSame being ahead in the polls is a week old, welcome to September 6th.

Here's one I like to use: http://www.electoral-vote.com/


McSame had a large convention bump and now it's sunsiding. I think the debates will really hurt McSame tho, he is gonna have a hard time seperating himself from the party and the president with whom he voted 95%. And Biden is going to make Palin look like a contestant in a high school debate. Of course we're using the standard of experience with that, that the Repubs refer to. So enjoy your maybe 1% lead for now.

[rushmc 23]

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My opinions have been changed quite often on here. On the basis of my change of opinion, I have had some influence on some people. Just because the thought is not mine does not mean the thought is less credible.

Jen - while on these forums (which supports your viewpoint), many of your posts have caused me to ponder and reason and analyze myself with a critical eye. This, of course, affects people outside of this forum.

What positions have you changed as a result here? Who else have you changed here? I disagree, people are formed genetically and socially by their environment at a very young age, if they change, it probably isn't by a posting board. I was changed by my learnings in college, but other than that I was not changed by the military, other than learning some discipline, but a job in the civilian world might have done that instead.

I think differences in posting boards make people more resolute with their current opinions and values. For example, fiscal Repubs become more resolute even tho you can show them data that the last 3 presidents have had the debt climb uncontrollably, while the 1 Dem inbetween them started to fix the problem, at least as far as major data shows. They will not address this, they just run away and become more determined that they are right. If people do change, esp as adults, for 1 they have to want to, but it is probably by something more interpersonal than a posting board.

I like reading your posts, but as most, they are biased. To be critical, the underlying message is, 'do for yourself or go die in the gutter; and employers are so victimized.' And I'm sure my posts have the ring of pro-socialization and cops are scum. Well, the truth is usually found in the middle somewhere and these are no different. I just had an experience with a cop to make me think they are great and I'm sure you have the occassional experience with an employee that makes you scrap your opinion of how employers are gods, employees parasites.

But as for a posting board changing a person's ideology................

I have had two positions I post to here change in the last, say 5 years. Not because of this site but because I wondered what the hoopla was all about and looked into it.

First one to change was on gun control. I was in the control crowd until I read an article that got me to wondering. During the time of learning I read the Fed Papers. That is why I am where I am today. (Not genetic I changed and my dad is still pro gun control ).

Second major change for me was who or what is causing global warmng. I think you know where I am at o n that one. Same process but no major turning point like gun control.

Point? It is not genetics. And, as you say, in some ways reading here has solidified my positions

As for the budget? YOU try to smiplify to support your position. There is much more to it that the Dems have to answer for too, but YOU fail to recognize those aspects. So who is worse?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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God I hope I can keep it up

http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/Zogby_McCain_Surges/2008/09/13/130504.html

Dont like NewMax? OK Look here

www.zogby.com

McSame being ahead in the polls is a week old, welcome to September 6th.

Here's one I like to use: http://www.electoral-vote.com/


McSame had a large convention bump and now it's sunsiding. I think the debates will really hurt McSame tho, he is gonna have a hard time seperating himself from the party and the president with whom he voted 95%. And Biden is going to make Palin look like a contestant in a high school debate. Of course we're using the standard of experience with that, that the Repubs refer to. So enjoy your maybe 1% lead for now.

You know, if you would show a little more respect for others canidate your views could be taken more seriously and not look so like an angry white man (or what ever).

As for the polls, ya, I know it early.

We will see if your Mr Muslim can win or not.

(See, we can do it too)

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

from jenfly00

Mainly, you became old and fearful.

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Dont you just love how stupid those are who will not bend over to the positions they have?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[nigel99 573]

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I have had two positions I post to here change in the last, say 5 years. Not because of this site but because I wondered what the hoopla was all about and looked into it.

First one to change was on gun control. I was in the control crowd until I read an article that got me to wondering. During the time of learning I read the Fed Papers. That is why I am where I am today. (Not genetic I changed and my dad is still pro gun control ).

Second major change for me was who or what is causing global warmng. I think you know where I am at o n that one. Same process but no major turning point like gun control.

Point? It is not genetics. And, as you say, in some ways reading here has solidified my positions

As for the budget? YOU try to smiplify to support your position. There is much more to it that the Dems have to answer for too, but YOU fail to recognize those aspects. So who is worse?

Isn't admitting that you have changed your opinion a banning offence in SC??

On a serious note - it is nice to see people who are willing to re-adjust their roadmap in life.

Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

[rushmc 23]

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I have had two positions I post to here change in the last, say 5 years. Not because of this site but because I wondered what the hoopla was all about and looked into it.

First one to change was on gun control. I was in the control crowd until I read an article that got me to wondering. During the time of learning I read the Fed Papers. That is why I am where I am today. (Not genetic I changed and my dad is still pro gun control ).

Second major change for me was who or what is causing global warmng. I think you know where I am at o n that one. Same process but no major turning point like gun control.

Point? It is not genetics. And, as you say, in some ways reading here has solidified my positions

As for the budget? YOU try to smiplify to support your position. There is much more to it that the Dems have to answer for too, but YOU fail to recognize those aspects. So who is worse?

Isn't admitting that you have changed your opinion a banning offence in SC??

On a serious note - it is nice to see people who are willing to re-adjust their roadmap in life.

And while I do not think my gun stance will change, my GWing one still can

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

Another thing to consider

There was NO Obama bump. (for the most part)

Very telling I think

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[lawrocket 3]

I think Employees are parasites?

Perhaps yoive missed my posts lauding my employees and appreciating what they do for me. I've had parasite employees whom I fired. I've even asked my last boss why he didn't fire me cuz I sucked. He told me I didn't suck - that he knew my learning curve was steep and I was ahead of it. I just didn't know that.

Employees are not parasites. Neither are employers. The relationship is symbiotic.

There are shitty employers, too. They have high turnover.
To treat all employers the same and to treat all employees the same is to elevate the bad and lower the good. If I don't take care of my employees they won't take care of me. Mine employees have gone above and beyond. I go above and beyond for them, lest they lend their skills to a competitor

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[Lucky... 0]

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I have had two positions I post to here change in the last, say 5 years. Not because of this site but because I wondered what the hoopla was all about and looked into it.


And that's my pint, a posting board is not going to do that in most cases.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>First one to change was on gun control. I was in the control crowd until I read an article that got me to wondering. During the time of learning I read the Fed Papers. That is why I am where I am today. (Not genetic I changed and my dad is still pro gun control ).


Well, US Const and related docs are fun history, but I think have little to do with contemporary gun controllaws. I have ALWAYS been pro-gun, owned em all my life. DO I think guns contribute to more deaths? Of course. I don't have the data to "prove" it, but that's my opinion. I think people should have the right to defend themselves under all circumstances and guns are required for that in some cases. As for 200 year old docs, they're generally BS as at the writing the authors didn't mean these laws for them, just the masses. Hell, even then, the rules sounded good, just weren't adhered to by many or enforced, unless selectivity required.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Second major change for me was who or what is causing global warmng. I think you know where I am at o n that one. Same process but no major turning point like gun control.


I see little where you deviate from the RW doctrine, so I'm sure you discount it even tho you have as much knowledge in the field as I do (or don't have). As with creation/evolution, it's a fool's game to try to guess these issues. The world cycles, are the polar caps in that cycle or not? Is it artifical or not? Most scientists concur that global warming is man-made and that it is big trouble, I tend to agree with them, but who knows?


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Point? It is not genetics.


We don't know enough about genetics to know the types of psychological traits that are passed along. Remember, it was the conservative mindset that poo-pood, the father of genetics findings, Mendel. The postumously awarded him as the father of genetics. You should be careful about knowing things are a way or not, this is what really rammed me away from the conservative thinking I had before college/university. This is why responsible science doesn't use the word, "proof." You can 'prove' things all day, then one of your 'proovings' gets overturned and the rest are under reconsideration. The approach science uses is liberal and yet thorough, but doesn't assume anything and never makes promises.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>As for the budget? YOU try to smiplify to support your position.


Ah, this is the subject I like. As with science, if a hypothesis is estsablished, it must then be tested. Grant it, the economy can't totally be tested scientifically so we must just observe it and draw inferences. Take from Reagan forward and make your observations. This has been beat to death, so I don't think I need to restate all the data unless you wish I do. So I don't need to oversimplify anything, all we have to do is compare the almost 20 years of the neo-cons vs the 8 of Clinton. The major indicators are:

- annual deficit
- debt
- inflation
- unemployment
- wages vs inflation
- export deficit
- sustainability of these indicators, not just peak and crash

Probably others, so if we observe the fiscal policies of these and others, the reult is that the indicators are HUGELY negative for the R's, hard to honestly disagree. You can jump up and down and swear the R's have it right, we just need to wait 20 or 30 more years for their policies to start working, but it just isn't fathomable, reasonable or plausable. Not to mention we haven't seen the totality of all the fiscal damage the neo-cons have done, as the debt will haunt us for generations to come.

And you want to say I'm oversimplifying it......


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.There is much more to it that the Dems have to answer for too, but YOU fail to recognize those aspects. So who is worse?


Ahhhh, the ole, 'it's fucked up, but it's everyone's fault' defense. Problem is, it started healing during the Clinton years, so that deflates your theory. And after Obama is elected and he starts to heal it, that will certainly solidify the hypothesis to a theory....not that it would take that.

As with the scientific model, if you have contradictory results, you infer that the idependent variable is the difference. In this case, the IV is the fiscal policy.

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God I hope I can keep it up

http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/Zogby_McCain_Surges/2008/09/13/130504.html

Dont like NewMax? OK Look here

www.zogby.com

McSame being ahead in the polls is a week old, welcome to September 6th.

Here's one I like to use: http://www.electoral-vote.com/


McSame had a large convention bump and now it's sunsiding. I think the debates will really hurt McSame tho, he is gonna have a hard time seperating himself from the party and the president with whom he voted 95%. And Biden is going to make Palin look like a contestant in a high school debate. Of course we're using the standard of experience with that, that the Repubs refer to. So enjoy your maybe 1% lead for now.

You know, if you would show a little more respect for others canidate your views could be taken more seriously and not look so like an angry white man (or what ever).

As for the polls, ya, I know it early.

We will see if your Mr Muslim can win or not.

(See, we can do it too)

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>You know, if you would show a little more respect for others canidate your views could be taken more seriously and not look so like an angry white man (or what ever).

1) And then you do the same at the end of the post.

2) When people can't impeach an issue, they turn to the person's style, spelling, etc...

3) How dare you call me a white man


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>We will see if your Mr Muslim can win or not.


And we'll see if your crusty ole diaper-wearing Nazi can win.

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Another thing to consider

There was NO Obama bump. (for the most part)

Very telling I think

That's right, cause in this election Obama is the stable candidate, McSame is the wild card. McSame has to do radical things to win, Obama does not. With that, the Nazi can still win, he just can't be himself to do it.

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I think Employees are parasites?

Perhaps yoive missed my posts lauding my employees and appreciating what they do for me. I've had parasite employees whom I fired. I've even asked my last boss why he didn't fire me cuz I sucked. He told me I didn't suck - that he knew my learning curve was steep and I was ahead of it. I just didn't know that.

Employees are not parasites. Neither are employers. The relationship is symbiotic.

There are shitty employers, too. They have high turnover.
To treat all employers the same and to treat all employees the same is to elevate the bad and lower the good. If I don't take care of my employees they won't take care of me. Mine employees have gone above and beyond. I go above and beyond for them, lest they lend their skills to a competitor

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I think Employees are parasites?


I was comedically paraphrasing. But the essence of it applies in the context I meant it. I was just saying that you think employers get fucked here, try looking in Europe and feel lucky that the laws benefit you here; BIG TIME. I'm sure you're good to your employees, just that you are a bit too Americanized, the law of fucking employees as compared to Western Europe.

[airdvr 210]

Mainly, you became old and fearful.

Old and fearful...young and stupid. Who's to say which is worse.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[lawrocket 3]

Of course the laws are more beneficial to employers here than in Europe. But that's like saying hunger isn't a problem here because it is worse in Africa.

It is beside the point. Employees get very substantial protections and the laws are numerous for that. I'm a lawyer and I can't keep up with it so I retained a lawyer to advise me. Luckily, I haven't needed him because we have great staff. At least I haven't needed him yet...

And my problem is that it is people like me who will be, in a very real sense, punished.

Does the harm that goes to those who don't deserve it enter the equation?

My wife is hotter than your wife.

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Mainly, you became old and fearful.

Old and fearful...young and stupid. Who's to say which is worse.

If you wish to compete with Mike for the title, please contact him directly.

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[kallend 2,108]

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And my problem is that it is people like me who will be, in a very real sense, punished.

Does the harm that goes to those who don't deserve it enter the equation?

It's called "collateral damage". Ask any Iraq war supporter, they'll tell you it's perfectly acceptable.

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