Lucky... 0 #26 September 18, 2008 Quote i heard yesturday that the entire military spending for last year was only 1.4% of the entire gov budget. that makes it the lowest % of the entire budget since fed taxes were implemented. that being said that makes the other 98.6% of the spending the problem. I think you mean the GDP. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #27 September 18, 2008 QuoteQuote i heard yesturday that the entire military spending for last year was only 1.4% of the entire gov budget. that makes it the lowest % of the entire budget since fed taxes were implemented. that being said that makes the other 98.6% of the spending the problem. I think you mean the GDP. ------------------------------------------------------------ correct defense budget was 548.8 billion at 9% of budget for 2007 . that is still a very small part of the 2.8 trillion budget. spending needs to be cut across the board not just in military. 2.8 is small compared to what Obama will do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #28 September 18, 2008 In this kind of contest perception is kingWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,006 #29 September 18, 2008 >i heard yesturday that the entire military spending for last year was >only 1.4% of the entire gov budget. You have got to get some better sources. 2007 budget outlays: 2.8 trillion (2800 billion) 2007 military expenditures (operating, supplementals, veterans affairs etc) 626 billion That's 22% of our budget. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #30 September 18, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuote i heard yesturday that the entire military spending for last year was only 1.4% of the entire gov budget. that makes it the lowest % of the entire budget since fed taxes were implemented. that being said that makes the other 98.6% of the spending the problem. I think you mean the GDP. ------------------------------------------------------------ correct defense budget was 548.8 billion at 9% of budget for 2007 . that is still a very small part of the 2.8 trillion budget. spending needs to be cut across the board not just in military. 2.8 is small compared to what Obama will do. 548B in 2.8T is 19.6%... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #31 September 18, 2008 Quote>i heard yesturday that the entire military spending for last year was >only 1.4% of the entire gov budget. You have got to get some better sources. 2007 budget outlays: 2.7 trillion (2700 billion) 2007 military expenditures (operating, supplementals, veterans affairs etc) 626 billion That's 23% of our budget. If we cut defense spending by 2/3 we'd save over $400Billion, which would almost eliminate Bush's deficit, and STILL spend more on the military than any other nation on Earth. In fact, it would still be more than the combined military spending of China, Russia, UK, and France.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #32 September 18, 2008 It's too bad that so many people, on this website & in the USA in general, believe that it is America's duty to police the entire world, and the US taxpayer's duty to pay for what is practically a planetary garrison. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #33 September 19, 2008 Quotei heard yesturday that the entire military spending for last year was only 1.4% of the entire gov budget. I think you're off by one decimal point. It's more like 14%. Here, for instance are the government spending numbers from 2006: 2006 Overall government spending (in billions of dollars) Pensions $747.1 Health Care $783.8 Education $786.8 Defense $622.2 Welfare $411.4 Interest $312.3 Total $4,704.1Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #34 September 19, 2008 QuoteIf we cut defense spending by 2/3 we'd save over $400Billion, which would almost eliminate Bush's deficit, and STILL spend more on the military than any other nation on Earth. In fact, it would still be more than the combined military spending of China, Russia, UK, and France. Now imagine if we cut _all_ spending by 2/3...-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likearock 2 #35 September 19, 2008 Quote Here, for instance are the government spending numbers from 2006: 2006 Overall government spending (in billions of dollars) Pensions $747.1 Health Care $783.8 Education $786.8 Defense $622.2 Welfare $411.4 Interest $312.3 Total $4,704.1 Where did you get these numbers? There's no way federal spending for education is so high since schools are typically funded locally and public universities are funded by the states. Here's a more realistic breakdown: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_United_States_federal_budget#Total_spending Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #36 September 19, 2008 QuoteWhere did you get these numbers? There's no way federal spending for education is so high since schools are typically funded locally and public universities are funded by the states. Just read a little closer (2006 Overall government spending - this includes Fed, State, Local).Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #37 September 19, 2008 QuoteNow imagine if we cut _all_ spending by 2/3... I imagine our schoolkids would go from being the 18th smartest out of 24 countries, down to the bottom of the list.Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #38 September 19, 2008 Quote Quote Now imagine if we cut _all_ spending by 2/3... I imagine our schoolkids would go from being the 18th smartest out of 24 countries, down to the bottom of the list. I don't know how old you are, but if you've met some of the same younger generations that I have, we may already be there. Some of these kids...So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #39 September 19, 2008 Obama's plan to educate the baby's definatly isn't going to help, if Obama wants a plan that works he should look at the plans being used in the top 4-5 countries Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #41 September 21, 2008 QuoteQuoteNow imagine if we cut _all_ spending by 2/3... I imagine our schoolkids would go from being the 18th smartest out of 24 countries, down to the bottom of the list. Bull - just get rid of 'outcome-based education'.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #42 September 21, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteNow imagine if we cut _all_ spending by 2/3... I imagine our schoolkids would go from being the 18th smartest out of 24 countries, down to the bottom of the list. Bull - just get rid of 'outcome-based education'. Outcomes are what the kids know and what the kids can do. Yes, that makes sense, let's get rid of education designed to produce kids who know things and have the skills to do things.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #43 September 21, 2008 QuoteQuoteBull - just get rid of 'outcome-based education'. Outcomes are what the kids know and what the kids can do. Yes, that makes sense, let's get rid of education designed to produce kids who know things and have the skills to do things. Like graduate high school not being able to read at a 6th grade level - brilliant plan, professor!! It was a 'good try', though, I'm sure.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #44 September 21, 2008 Quote Bull - just get rid of 'outcome-based education'. Brilliant idea, Mike, as we've come to expect from you. After all, why should we be concerned about whether or not kids actually learn anything at school? Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #45 September 22, 2008 QuoteLike graduate high school not being able to read at a 6th grade level - brilliant plan, professor!! It was a 'good try', though, I'm sure. Remind us again how cutting the funding for education will improve that?Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #46 September 22, 2008 QuoteQuoteLike graduate high school not being able to read at a 6th grade level - brilliant plan, professor!! It was a 'good try', though, I'm sure. Remind us again how cutting the funding for education will improve that? Remind me again where I have advocated cutting funding for education?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #47 September 22, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteLike graduate high school not being able to read at a 6th grade level - brilliant plan, professor!! It was a 'good try', though, I'm sure. Remind us again how cutting the funding for education will improve that? Remind me again where I have advocated cutting funding for education? Are you for a school voucher system?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #48 September 22, 2008 QuoteQuoteNow imagine if we cut _all_ spending by 2/3... I imagine our schoolkids would go from being the 18th smartest out of 24 countries, down to the bottom of the list. I wasn't aware that we needed government to pay for things we want done well. As far as I can see, the things government pays for get done poorly, if at all. Isn't education just a little too important to trust to the bureaucracy ridden, waste prone government? Besides, we were talking about federal spending. Education spending is virtually all done at local levels. Cutting federal spending would have very little impact on what gets spent on public schools.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #49 September 22, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteLike graduate high school not being able to read at a 6th grade level - brilliant plan, professor!! It was a 'good try', though, I'm sure. Remind us again how cutting the funding for education will improve that? Remind me again where I have advocated cutting funding for education? Are you for a school voucher system? Yes - can you show anything where a voucher system excuses the parents from paying school tax? I haven't found anything on it.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #50 September 22, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteBull - just get rid of 'outcome-based education'. Outcomes are what the kids know and what the kids can do. Yes, that makes sense, let's get rid of education designed to produce kids who know things and have the skills to do things. Like graduate high school not being able to read at a 6th grade level - brilliant plan, professor!! It was a 'good try', though, I'm sure. If you can find a high school system where the learning outcomes are defined to include "inability to read at 6th grade level", I'd be interested to see it. Otherwise, you are spouting nonsense.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
