mnealtx 0 #76 September 23, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteLike graduate high school not being able to read at a 6th grade level - brilliant plan, professor!! It was a 'good try', though, I'm sure. Remind us again how cutting the funding for education will improve that? Remind me again where I have advocated cutting funding for education? Here, unless you made a mistake and replied to and quoted the wrong posts. Nope - is plain english that hard for you two? If I had MEANT to say "cut funding to schools" I would have SAID that.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #77 September 23, 2008 QuoteI'm not disputing any ACT or SAT numbers, so that's a red herring. Good - so you DO admit that the current educational system isn't preparing roughly 50% of all students for college. That's a start. QuoteStill awaiting your proof that outcomes based education has anything to do with those numbers. In fact, based on what you've written in this thread, I don't think you even know what outcomes based education is. So, you are saying that OBE is NOT the 'law of the land' in regards to schooling since at least the mid - 90's? Bull.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #78 September 23, 2008 QuoteQuoteI'm not disputing any ACT or SAT numbers, so that's a red herring. Good - so you DO admit that the current educational system isn't preparing roughly 50% of all students for college. That's a start. QuoteStill awaiting your proof that outcomes based education has anything to do with those numbers. In fact, based on what you've written in this thread, I don't think you even know what outcomes based education is. So, you are saying that OBE is NOT the 'law of the land' in regards to schooling since at least the mid - 90's? Bull. According to ACT (which you appear to love to quote) the preparedness for college is improving annually, and has been for several years now. So your point is?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #79 September 23, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteI'm not disputing any ACT or SAT numbers, so that's a red herring. Good - so you DO admit that the current educational system isn't preparing roughly 50% of all students for college. That's a start. QuoteStill awaiting your proof that outcomes based education has anything to do with those numbers. In fact, based on what you've written in this thread, I don't think you even know what outcomes based education is. So, you are saying that OBE is NOT the 'law of the land' in regards to schooling since at least the mid - 90's? Bull. According to ACT (which you appear to love to quote) the preparedness for college is improving annually, and has been for several years now. So your point is? From ACT (there's more data but they've changed the format so it'll take more time to dig up prior years): Percentages of students considered "prepared for college" by ACT testing (2008 - 2006 left-right): English 68 69 69 Math 43 43 42 Reading 53 53 53 Science 28 28 27 All 4 22 23 21 Damn... a whopping 22% average of students that are considered prepared for college - now THAT's something to be proud of, lemme tell ya!!Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #80 September 23, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI'm not disputing any ACT or SAT numbers, so that's a red herring. Good - so you DO admit that the current educational system isn't preparing roughly 50% of all students for college. That's a start. QuoteStill awaiting your proof that outcomes based education has anything to do with those numbers. In fact, based on what you've written in this thread, I don't think you even know what outcomes based education is. So, you are saying that OBE is NOT the 'law of the land' in regards to schooling since at least the mid - 90's? Bull. According to ACT (which you appear to love to quote) the preparedness for college is improving annually, and has been for several years now. So your point is? From ACT (there's more data but they've changed the format so it'll take more time to dig up prior years): Percentages of students considered "prepared for college" by ACT testing (2008 - 2006 left-right): English 68 69 69 Math 43 43 42 Reading 53 53 53 Science 28 28 27 All 4 22 23 21 Damn... a whopping 22% average of students that are considered prepared for college - now THAT's something to be proud of, lemme tell ya!! So things, while admittedly still AWFUL, are IMPROVING. Maybe you should be pleased about outcomes based education rather than the social promotion to the next grade, which was common previously. If only NCLB had been properly funded by Bush, I expect things would be improving faster. www.act.org/activity/autumn2007/national.html... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #81 September 23, 2008 QuoteI wasn't aware that we needed government to pay for things we want done well. As far as I can see, the things government pays for get done poorly, if at all. You should travel more. Go to some poor countries where the government does not pay for education. There, most kids don't go to school. The US government doesn't do a good job with education (which is why I am home-schooling my two girls), but if they don't do it, no one else will.Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #82 September 23, 2008 QuoteQuoteI wasn't aware that we needed government to pay for things we want done well. As far as I can see, the things government pays for get done poorly, if at all. You should travel more. Go to some poor countries where the government does not pay for education. There, most kids don't go to school. The US government doesn't do a good job with education (which is why I am home-schooling my two girls), but if they don't do it, no one else will. So, you're saying that there are no private, non-government funded schools in existence?-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #83 September 23, 2008 QuoteSo... 1.) The 40-80k$ figure you threw out was a complete load of crap. 2.) What's the duration required to achieve the median teacher salary? Looking around, I see: QuoteMedian base salary figures represent teachers with 15 years of experience. from: here. But go ahead and continue to talk about how cushy teaching positions are, and how teachers are the cause of poor education. 51k$/year after 15 years of employment does not sound good to me at all. .jim 51k with 2 1/2 months off and full benifits? sounds good. alot of people would love that. with teaching summer school could get a few thousand more and still have about 30-60 day off every year. rest my case school teachers are whiners! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #84 September 23, 2008 QuoteQuoteSo... 1.) The 40-80k$ figure you threw out was a complete load of crap. 2.) What's the duration required to achieve the median teacher salary? Looking around, I see: QuoteMedian base salary figures represent teachers with 15 years of experience. from: here. But go ahead and continue to talk about how cushy teaching positions are, and how teachers are the cause of poor education. 51k$/year after 15 years of employment does not sound good to me at all. .jim 51k with 2 1/2 months off and full benifits? sounds good. alot of people would love that. with teaching summer school could get a few thousand more and still have about 30-60 day off every year. rest my case school teachers are whiners! My AME is a cardiologist. He makes over $500k/year, and works 2 days a week. Owns 5 airplanes AND his own airport. What a WHINER!... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
squarecanopy 0 #85 September 24, 2008 Quote>No, as he discovered, he should've let the government shut itself down. You'd really be OK with a shutdown that would impact every part of the US? i.e. support for the military, inspections on meat packing plants, police, air traffic control, fire and EMS, veteran's hospitals? That would surprise me. And that is EXACTLY what the politicians, no matter their party, would do to make it hurt for us average taxpayers if in some weird fashion the government did shut down. God forbid they would shut down programs that fund building bridges to nowhere, oil company subsidies, farm subsidies, or billions in foreign aid to countries that take our money and laugh. Just burning a hole in the sky..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #86 September 24, 2008 QuoteIf I had MEANT to say "cut funding to schools" I would have SAID that. Perhaps you should be more careful about which posts you quote if you wanted your post to be interpreted in a different manner.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #87 September 24, 2008 Quote Quote >No, as he discovered, he should've let the government shut itself down. You'd really be OK with a shutdown that would impact every part of the US? i.e. support for the military, inspections on meat packing plants, police, air traffic control, fire and EMS, veteran's hospitals? That would surprise me. And that is EXACTLY what the politicians, no matter their party, would do to make it hurt for us average taxpayers if in some weird fashion the government did shut down. God forbid they would shut down programs that fund building bridges to nowhere, oil company subsidies, farm subsidies, or billions in foreign aid to countries that take our money and laugh. Careful my friend, you have entered "The Spin Zone" "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #88 September 24, 2008 QuoteQuoteI wasn't aware that we needed government to pay for things we want done well. As far as I can see, the things government pays for get done poorly, if at all. You should travel more. Go to some poor countries where the government does not pay for education. There, most kids don't go to school. The US government doesn't do a good job with education (which is why I am home-schooling my two girls), but if they don't do it, no one else will. The US government doesn't pay for schools - your local taxes do.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #89 September 24, 2008 QuoteQuoteIf I had MEANT to say "cut funding to schools" I would have SAID that. Perhaps you should be more careful about which posts you quote if you wanted your post to be interpreted in a different manner. Perhaps YOU should read the words as they are written and not look for the normal lib doublespeak.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #90 September 24, 2008 Quote Quote Quote If I had MEANT to say "cut funding to schools" I would have SAID that. Perhaps you should be more careful about which posts you quote if you wanted your post to be interpreted in a different manner. Perhaps YOU should read the words as they are written and not look for the normal lib doublespeak. Funny, that. Coming as it does from one of the worst offenders in creating strawmen from the posts of others.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #91 September 24, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote If I had MEANT to say "cut funding to schools" I would have SAID that. Perhaps you should be more careful about which posts you quote if you wanted your post to be interpreted in a different manner. Perhaps YOU should read the words as they are written and not look for the normal lib doublespeak. Funny, that. Coming as it does from one of the worst offenders in creating strawmen from the posts of others. Hello Kettle.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #92 September 24, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteIf I had MEANT to say "cut funding to schools" I would have SAID that. Perhaps you should be more careful about which posts you quote if you wanted your post to be interpreted in a different manner. Perhaps YOU should read the words as they are written and not look for the normal lib doublespeak. Perhaps you should reread the post you are defending and then explain to us how we were supposed to interpret your words given the context of the quoted posts.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #93 September 26, 2008 Wow - you're ABSOLUTELY right again!! How blind of me to not see that getting rid of a failed teaching method equals shutting down the schools. Thank you SO, SO much for setting me straight! (BTW)Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #94 September 26, 2008 QuoteWow - you're ABSOLUTELY right again!! How blind of me to not see that getting rid of a failed teaching method equals shutting down the schools. Thank you SO, SO much for setting me straight! strawman> (BTW) I fixed that for you.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #95 September 26, 2008 *yawn*Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #96 September 26, 2008 QuoteWow - you're ABSOLUTELY right again!! How blind of me to not see that getting rid of a failed teaching method equals shutting down the schools. Thank you SO, SO much for setting me straight! (BTW) Which teaching method has failed?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #97 September 26, 2008 QuoteSo, you're saying that there are no private, non-government funded schools in existence? Nope, never said that. I'm pointing to the majority of countries without government-funded education, and how it translates to a complete lack of education for most of the kids.Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
