With what money?

[Rookie120 0]

So Obama in his interview says he will cut taxes for 95% of the country. The Govt already spends more than they bring in. So how will Obama pay for all of this? And if the only thing you come up with is "pull out of Iraq" or "reverse the Bush tax cuts" then you are way short on what Obama is proposing to spend.

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

[Gawain 0]

Through the redistribution of wealth, since the bottom 95% don't pay as much in taxes as the top 5%.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[normiss 806]

I can't wait to hear how he's going to pay for fixing the medical coverage issue.
It's gotta be smoke and mirrors, or a magic wand.
Maybe all the change he keeps talking about...surely those pennies add up!

[klingeme 1]

And don't forget, we'll all get universal health care in addition to the lower taxes.

Sounds pie in the sky to me, but with no actual experience, maybe he thinks that is possible.

[Darius11 12]

Any step in the right direction would be an improvement over going down the same failed road over and over again.

What’s the definition of insanity doing the same thing and expecting different results.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[Rookie120 0]

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Sounds pie in the sky to me

Sounds like he should be an accountant for Enron. The numbers don't add up.

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

[Rookie120 0]

***What’s the definition of insanity doing the same thing and expecting different results.
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What's the definition of starting more BS welfare programs wanting different results. Throw more shit at the wall and hope something sticks!

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

[klingeme 1]

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Any step in the right direction would be an improvement over going down the same failed road over and over again.

What’s the definition of insanity doing the same thing and expecting different results.

So misrepresenting what is possible during your term in order to get elected is fine as long as your intentions are good?

If elected and after he either raises taxes or does not deliver on all of these pie in the sky ideas what recourse is possible.....none.

At least McCain has "Real World" plans and some experience to know what is possible.

[Darius11 12]

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At least McCain has "Real World" plans and some experience to know what is possible

Yes and I’ll take the last horrible failed 8 years as a reason not to want his “Real World” Plans.

Like I said at least with Obama he knows there is something wrong, McCain seems to think every thing is great and it might be for the multi millionaires, but times are very bad for the other 95% and getting worst.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[normiss 806]

like it's McCain's fault the economy is in the shitter.

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Sounds like he should be an accountant for Enron. The numbers don't add up.

Yet I continue to hear that Obama's economic plan (which has more specifics than McCain's) comes closer to balancing than his opponent's. McCain's plan cuts revenues over ten years by $4.2 trillion. Obama's cuts revenues by $2.8 trillion.
So (very) basically Obama's plan helps more people and costs less. Interesting.

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like it's McCain's fault the economy is in the shitter.

No but when he thinks all is well or does not realize how bad it is it shows a lack of judgment, And an inability to admit the facts something GWB has had a problem with.



Why does everyone on here spin words?


Just the tactic alone should show you that you are reaching.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[AWL71 0]

Obama has claimed that he will give a tax cut to 95% of Americans. Many around the country are soaking this up. Too bad it is a complete fallacy. While he may be offering a tax rebate/credit to 95%, people fail to realize how he is also going to raise the capital gains tax, corporate tax, and payroll tax, which affects almost everyone. By doubling the capital gains tax(he renegged a little bit on the amount on O'Reilly), he will stifle investment and cut the profits of people like me who own stock, and I am nowhere near the top five percent. Rasing the corporate tax will further hurt investments. Look at it in simple black and white terms.....if you increase the cost of doing business.....what happens? Corporations will increase outsourcing and cut jobs in America as the cost of doing business is too high. We already have the second highest rates in the world. I understand that corporations can be cutthroat and stomp on the little guy, but their success is vital to the health of the macroeconomy. It's bad enough that when I call my credit card and cell phone company I'm almost assured to speak to Abu or Habib, lets not extrapolate the problem anymore. As far as the payroll tax, this will kill small business' and encourage more tax evasion. Tax reciepts are 20 percent higher during the Bush administration than under Clinton. If Bush wasn't a twit and had vetoed ONE bill in his first six years, and not started a war, we wouldn't have such a large deficit. The bottom line is that when these three categories of taxes are raised, it will affect everyone through inflation. What do you think Wal-Mart is going to do when their taxes are raised? Do you think they are going to say, "Okay, we'll just take a smaller profit margin." Nope, they will increase their prices, get their money, and then those on the bottom of the totem poll like me will be stuck with higher prices.

The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help.

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So (very) basically Obama's plan helps more people and costs less. Interesting.

Why does the Govt have to help soooo many? Are we really a country full of people who cannot support themselves? Everytime you hear Obama he has a program to help some group of people. Get off your ass and work for it. Get off the Govt tit!

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

[normiss 806]

Reminds me of "Amendment 1" on the Florida state ballot last time around. A promise to cut property tax.
It did.
Now we're being "fee charged" to death.
End result: more money out of our pockets.
The devil is in the details.

[mnealtx 0]

With these, of course!

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[Darius11 12]

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So (very) basically Obama's plan helps more people and costs less. Interesting.

Why does the Govt have to help soooo many? Are we really a country full of people who cannot support themselves? Everytime you hear Obama he has a program to help some group of people. Get off your ass and work for it. Get off the Govt tit!

So let me get this straight your ok with bailing out multi-billion dollar corporations but the regular Joe can fuck themselves?

No one asked me if I want to help these failing companies, I don’t remember getting a check when they were profitable. Personally if I have to choose between helping a Corporate CEO or the poor I’ll choose helping the poor. Personally I would rather have none of my taxes to go to neither but considering the choices available I believe my choice is the better one.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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So (very) basically Obama's plan helps more people and costs less. Interesting.

Why does the Govt have to help soooo many? Are we really a country full of people who cannot support themselves? Everytime you hear Obama he has a program to help some group of people. Get off your ass and work for it. Get off the Govt tit!

So let me get this straight your ok with bailing out multi-billion dollar corporations but the regular Joe can fuck themselves?

No one asked me if I want to help these failing companies, I don’t remember getting a check when they were profitable. Personally if I have to choose between helping a Corporate CEO or the poor I’ll choose helping the poor. Personally I would rather have none of my taxes to go to neither but considering the choices available I believe my choice is the better one.

to a degree I agree here but only to this point.

Freddie and Fannie should have an investigation started to the same scope of Enron. But, since it has "government oversite" an investigation to see who is responcible will never happen. Since Schumer and others would fall.....

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Personally if I have to choose between helping a Corporate CEO or the poor

Nice hyperbole, there.

Who do you think Joe Poorboy works for? Yeah-one of those corporations. When you tax the corps so that they lay off people, move overseas or shut down completely, not only have you lost the tax revenue from the company, but from the workers - who you are now having to pay out unemployment or welfare to. BRILLIANT plan you have there.

For all you who advocate MORE welfare spending - are you really that naive? Do you REALLY think that someone is going to magically get up off their ass and find gainful employment*, when they know that Big Momma Government is gonna whip out a tit and feed them? Get real.

* We all know that responsible people will, of course, do just that - that's not whom I refer to.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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So let me get this straight your ok with bailing out multi-billion dollar corporations

Where did I ever say that? You obviously haven't read any of my posts in the last few days screaming about the Govt bailouts.

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

[alw 0]

I fail to see the logic that says because I work hard and earn a good salary I should pay money into the government so that they can give it to peole who don't make as much. I pay more than they do for national defense, infrastructure, welfare, research, and other government sponsored programs. Why must I be responsible for improving the quality of life for another person. Feeding the hungry? Sure. Educating the underprivilaged? OK. Providing health care for those who need it? Yes. Giving someone a subsidy in the form of a rebate check that doesn't pay their fair share of these things? No.

I remember my dad telling me that he couldn't afford going back to work when he was laid off because he would have to take a pay cut. I never understood the logic of that either. Maybe things aren't as good as they should be but I cannot agree that the answer is resdistribution of wealth.

If you are unhappy with the government now, think about a future where the government buys votes with redistribution. I see it here in Europe and it is rotten system. With all the spin on the economy yesterday this one reason alone is a significant reason why Europes fundamentals are worse than ours.

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[jakee 1,500]

So when conservatives fleece the system for as much money as they can spend, or when other peoples taxes benefit you, then it's a good thing. When democrats try and spend tax money it's a bad thing? Uh, ok.

Hypocrite.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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I fail to see the logic that says because I work hard and earn a good salary I should pay money into the government so that they can give it to peole who don't make as much. I pay more than they do for national defense, infrastructure, welfare, research, and other government sponsored programs. Why must I be responsible for improving the quality of life for another person. Feeding the hungry? Sure. Educating the underprivilaged? OK. Providing health care for those who need it? Yes. Giving someone a subsidy in the form of a rebate check that doesn't pay their fair share of these things? No.

I remember my dad telling me that he couldn't afford going back to work when he was laid off because he would have to take a pay cut. I never understood the logic of that either. Maybe things aren't as good as they should be but I cannot agree that the answer is resdistribution of wealth.

If you are unhappy with the government now, think about a future where the government buys votes with redistribution. I see it here in Europe and it is rotten system. With all the spin on the economy yesterday this one reason alone is a significant reason why Europes fundamentals are worse than ours.

And therein lies the problem.

People will always vote to improve their situation, or at least go with whomever promises to improve their situation.

If my situation is benefitted from more entitlements, I'll vote for whomever promises me the most. Fortunately the people who benefit the most from that are in the minority...for now.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

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So when conservatives fleece the system for as much money as they can spend, or when other peoples taxes benefit you, then it's a good thing. When democrats try and spend tax money it's a bad thing? Uh, ok.

Hypocrite.

Everthing mentioned in the clicky is infrastructure, education or research. I see no hyppocracy there.

Tell me just what you are trying to say. Do you believe that it is a good thing for the economy and the people for people with higher incomes to give a share the fruits of their labors with people who have lower incomes whether they need it or not?

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I see no hyppocracy there.

Of course you don't.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?