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OMAHA, Neb. (AP) - Five-hundred Muslim workers walked off the job Monday at a Grand Island meatpacking plant after they say they were denied time to pray during the Muslim observance of Ramadan.


A group of women at Grand Island's JBS Swift & Co. plant said at a news conference they were kicked by a supervisor when they attempted to pray.

Hawo Mohammed said she tried to pray quickly in the bathroom until a male supervisor followed her in and told her she was taking too long.

More than 100 workers at a Greeley Swift plant were fired last week because the company said they walked away from work before their shifts ended.

The workers blamed the company's refusal to allow their breaks to coincide with sunset so they could pray.

Swift, which was purchased by Brazil's JBS SA in March, has had problems with Muslim workers at the Grand Island plant in the past. Dozens of workers from Somalia quit their jobs last year because they said they weren't allowed to pray at sunset. They eventually returned to work.

So they want special treatment to pray? Do they go to work to work or to pray? Let them walk. They can replace them.

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

[AWL71 0]

Exactly. If they want Muslim traditions honored they can return to their Muslim countries.

The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help.

[Darius11 12]

It’s a free country. They are allowed to pray, or protest, and the company is allowed to fire them.

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It’s a free country.

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They are allowed to pray

Not when they are supposed to be working.

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or protest,

Which they did by walking off the job.

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and the company is allowed to fire them.

Which the company did. Democracy in action!

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

[Darius11 12]

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Not when they are supposed to be working

That’s a cultural issue. If it becomes more prevalent I am sure some concenssions will be made. I remember in my college we used to get all the Jewish holidays off as well, and that was a community college.

I understand that some people tend to have a fear of Islam but believe it or not being Muslim does not take away any rights that others have enjoyed in this country. Democracy is great.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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Not when they are supposed to be working

That’s a cultural issue. If it becomes more prevalent I am sure some concenssions will be made. I remember in my college we used to get all the Jewish holidays off as well, and that was a community college.

I understand that some people tend to have a fear of Islam but believe it or not being Muslim does not take away any rights that others have enjoyed in this country. Democracy is great.

This is in no way a snide remark. What do they do at school?

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Not when they are supposed to be working

That’s a cultural issue. If it becomes more prevalent "I am sure some concenssions will be made".

Nope, nip this one in the bud. Jews and Christians would never get away with this.

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Nope, nip this one in the bud. Jews and Christians would never get away with this.

My thoughts exactly!

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

[AWL71 0]

It would not surprise me one bit if 5 years down the road there is PC legislation passed that requires employers to let Muslims pray during work. I have nothing against Muslims but they do not deserve special treatment either.

The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help.

[Darius11 12]

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What do they do at school?

Do you mean in my college or in a school in Iran?

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[airdvr 210]

A school here in the US.

Please don't dent the planet.

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[Darius11 12]

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It would not surprise me one bit if 5 years down the road there is PC legislation passed that requires employers to let Muslims pray during work. I have nothing against Muslims but they do not deserve special treatment either.

No one does i agree,
All I meant was we accept certain things because we grew up with them. To us it is normal to get a brake around Xmass, however it might seem unusual to take a few minuet brake for prayer every day.
People used to take a lot more cigurat brakes as well.

Democracy will work it self out, if they are important enough to make a concession they will if not they wont. There should not be a law however that makes anyone have to deal with someone’s religious beliefs.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[PhreeZone 20]

Well, in a way Christians do get consessions made for their religious events, Christmas is considered "Paid Time off" at most jobs and same with Easter although lately I've seen that one called "Spring Holiday" more then Easter.

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[Darius11 12]

I have no idea.
That would be a problem, as the prayers must be done at certain times. I guess you could be excused from class for few minuets, and if you miss schoolwork that is your decisions not the schools fault.

I guess that’s why I believe when you go to Rome do as the Romans, off course I believe that when we go to other countries we should do the same, and not attempted to change them.

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We haven't called it "Christmas" in years.
Winter Holiday, Spring Break, Fall Break....like you said. Much like prayer in schools became "moments of silence".

at least officially anyway. Wasn't this done in consideration of other religions?

[Ion01 2]

The company is completely wrong in thier actions. Please read title VII of the civil rights act before commenting on this issue in regards to what the law actually says on this matter. Opinions on what you think the law should be is one matter but what the law actually is is here:http://www.eeoc.gov/policy/vii.html

Here is one of the key aspects of the Law:(j) The term ``religion'' includes all aspects of religious observance and
practice, as well as belief, unless an employer demonstrates that he is
unable to reasonably accommodate to an employee's or prospective
employee's religious observance or practice without undue hardship on the
conduct of the employer's business.

This shows that a company must accommodate the employee's religious practices unless it brings "undue hardship" on the employeer. I don't see how moving their breaktime to sundown would cause undue hardship on the company.

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Exactly. If they want Muslim traditions honored they can return to their Muslim countries.

Hey look, I'm embarassed by one of my countrymen. Wait, nevermind. My country was founded, in part, on the principle that people should be free to practice the religion of their choosing without discrimination. Perhaps you should return to whatever xenophobic country you came from.

Blues,
Dave

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The company is completely wrong in thier actions. Please read title VII of the civil rights act before commenting on this issue in regards to what the law actually says on this matter. Opinions on what you think the law should be is one matter but what the law actually is is here:http://www.eeoc.gov/policy/vii.html

Here is one of the key aspects of the Law:(j) The term ``religion'' includes all aspects of religious observance and
practice, as well as belief, unless an employer demonstrates that he is
unable to reasonably accommodate to an employee's or prospective
employee's religious observance or practice without undue hardship on the
conduct of the employer's business.

This shows that a company must accommodate the employee's religious practices unless it brings "undue hardship" on the employeer. I don't see how moving their breaktime to sundown would cause undue hardship on the company.

I see you're citing both actual law and logic.

You won't last long around here.

[Andy9o8 2]

Anyhow, so much for today's "Muslims suck" thread.
Yawn.

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Jews and Christians would never get away with this.

That's because so many of our institutionalized holi-days are already centered around judeo-christian holy-days, they don't need to.

I'm against ALL religious holydays becoming institutionalized by the state.

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Exactly. If they want Muslim traditions honored they can return to their Muslim countries.

Hey look, I'm embarassed by one of my countrymen. Wait, nevermind. My country was founded, in part, on the principle that people should be free to practice the religion of their choosing without discrimination. Perhaps you should return to whatever xenophobic country you came from.

Blues,
Dave

Get over your enlightened self. I do not have a thing against Muslims. But their religion does not entitle them to special rights. No employer should have to go out of their way to accomadate someones religious beliefs. That is what this thread is about. They are free to pray at home and in their Mosques all they want.

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and the company is allowed to fire them.

Which the company did. Democracy in action!

The sunglasses means this bit is a joke... right?

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What do they do at school?

Where I attend, in Florida, reasonable accommodations must be made to students w/r/t their religious practices. However, it is the student's responsibility to make suitable arrangements with their professors at the beginning of the semester. Students need not worry about losing points because an assignment was due or a test was scheduled on a religious holiday (not recognized by the university), but they can reasonably expect due/test dates to be adjusted only to the extent necessary to allow the religious observation.

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>Jews and Christians would never get away with this.

Really? A Christian that required Sundays and Christmas off would not be accommodated? I think you might be overlooking something about our work week . . .

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I'm against ALL religious holydays becoming institutionalized by the state.

If you meant ANY instead of ALL then I agree.

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