We want to pray

[billvon 3,006]

>No! Not in between! They want you to stop class in the middle so they
>could go pray. Would you be in favor of that?

Here's where the discussion goes off the rails. If he answered "we could do a break at the 30 minute mark" you'd say "but what if they want a 2 hour break?" etc etc. You can always make an unreasonable demand.

If someone wants to pray, fine. People should do what they can to accommodate them, whether they are christians, or hindus, or muslims. A school with designated times for that (so everyone can prepare for them) is a good compromise.

[kallend 2,027]

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As a matter of fact, the university has made provision for Islamists to pray between classes.

No! Not in between! They want you to stop class in the middle so they could go pray.

FACT - they don't. They are quite happy with the accommodations the school has made for them.

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[airdvr 210]

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>No! Not in between! They want you to stop class in the middle so they
>could go pray. Would you be in favor of that?

Here's where the discussion goes off the rails. If he answered "we could do a break at the 30 minute mark" you'd say "but what if they want a 2 hour break?" etc etc. You can always make an unreasonable demand.

If someone wants to pray, fine. People should do what they can to accommodate them, whether they are christians, or hindus, or muslims. A school with designated times for that (so everyone can prepare for them) is a good compromise.

But this is a business, not a school. It's a meat packing plant. Ever been in one of those? It's assembly line slaughter. You can't just stop whenever someone wants to go pray. I'm sure they had breaks, and the good muslims could have prayed then.

Hmmm...I wonder if they only wanted a break when the hams were being done?

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[billvon 3,006]

>But this is a business, not a school. It's a meat packing plant. Ever been
>in one of those? It's assembly line slaughter.

Nope. But I have been part of an SMT assembly line, where boards are stuffed with automated pick-and-place machines, reflow-soldered and tested. There are steps (like the solder paste stenciling) that you can't just stop halfway through.

But even there, people occasionally go to the bathroom, and they occasionally take smoke breaks. They even occasionally go off to pray.

Now, that sort of assembly line may be like a slaughterhouse or it may not be. But I have a feeling the basic issues are the same and the number of time critical steps are similar. If the guy running the stencil has to take a break (for whatever reason) he says "Hey Quy, watch this for a few minutes, I have to take a break." And it all works out.

[normiss 806]

Possible that the majority of the employees are Muslim and therefore it affects the entire production of the plant?

[billvon 3,006]

>Possible that the majority of the employees are Muslim and therefore
>it affects the entire production of the plant?

If they pray but they work the same hours, then it doesn't affect the production of the plant any more than our lunch breaks affect ours.

Why does it bother you that some people pray, or that some companies care about their employees enough to let them?

[mnealtx 0]

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>No! Not in between! They want you to stop class in the middle so they
>could go pray. Would you be in favor of that?

Here's where the discussion goes off the rails. If he answered "we could do a break at the 30 minute mark" you'd say "but what if they want a 2 hour break?" etc etc. You can always make an unreasonable demand.

If someone wants to pray, fine. People should do what they can to accommodate them, whether they are christians, or hindus, or muslims. A school with designated times for that (so everyone can prepare for them) is a good compromise.

What about that vaunted 'separation of church and state' that you all trunpet whenever prayer in school is mentioned?

Oh, wait... we're talking about someone OTHER than Christians praying....never mind!

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[normiss 806]

Neither bothers me at all.
Our lunch hours over lap - when a certain religion require EVERYONE to pray at one particular time every day AND most of my employees are of that belief...then there's an issue.
Having to shut down an entire production line at one precise time for the majority of employees would, were I running a production line.
I'd be motivated to hire a balance of religions so they could cover for each other.
I have (and do) work for companies that do care about diversity in the workplace, I find that to be a good thing.

[Darius11 12]

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What about that vaunted 'separation of church and state' that you all trunpet whenever prayer in school is mentioned?

If the company is privet then your point is not valid If it was public then you would be right.

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[billvon 3,006]

>What about that vaunted 'separation of church and state' that you all
>trunpet whenever prayer in school is mentioned?

?? No one is saying anything about schools or factories organizing prayer groups. We're talking about giving people time off. Whether they are for Sunday church, a daily prayer, a smoking break or even picking a kid up from school.

Take a step back and take Islam out of it. Should a company work with employees to come up with a schedule of worktimes that works for everyone?