quade 4 #1 September 18, 2008 First, let me preface this by saying that this post isn't about pro-Obama or Anti-McCain. It's about speech writing, meter and hearing another person's "voice" in a speech. I heard this on the news tonight and it hit me like a ton of bricks. Listen to this; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqKaRL6vb5E Just listen to the first "joke" about the "old boys network." You don't need to go any farther than that. Don't scroll down any further than this line without listening to the piece. Is it just me or is that Chris Rock? Now that I've said it, listen to it again.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PeregrineFalcon 0 #2 September 18, 2008 I hear it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alw 0 #3 September 18, 2008 very perceptive. I notice that when he is tired he slips into a "Pulpit" rythm and style. That will occur when he is not using the teleprompter. It is a common tactic in diplomacy and business to watch for the fall back style which is more represntative of the natural style. Our old "management grid" course years ago was designed to wear you out then get you to make a pitch to determine where your head was really at. Good to see that people pay attention to the subtleties. To be fair and balanced ou would have to see that McCain is alot more stilted when using a teleprompter and more relaxed when not. He tendancy to use collector phrases, or phases that give him a chance to think like "my friends" or repeating a short sentence are characteristics of orators seen most on the senate or house floors ala CSPAN. Also interesting is Biden who does not emply these techniques and is prone to gaffes. --------------------------------------------- Every day is a bonus - every night is an adventure. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #4 September 18, 2008 But to make that joke I'm not sure that many people wouldn't use the same meter and style. I have heard Obama sound more 'preacher like' lately. Mainly when use shorter sentences and phrases. As well as raised voice. He didn't sound like that in this clip. McCain? His acceptance speach was too many sound bites and applause lines to sound reasonable and natural. His more relaxed tone is too non specific and falling back on lines he's used for twenty years.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funjumper101 15 #5 September 18, 2008 Smaller words and less complex ideas are more comprehensible to the half of the population with less than average intelligence. A preaching style of delivery is more likely to make sense to those folks. Let's hope that Obama can get through to enough people to prevent the Rs having another four years. Elitist?? Damn straight. I want the best and brightest to be POTUS. Someone from humble roots who got where he is by hard work and self sacrifice. A Professor of Constitutional Law is a far better choice than a career politician whose previous major banking experience was as a key member of the Keating five. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #6 September 18, 2008 QuoteIs it just me or is that Chris Rock? I know what you're saying, but that meter isn't just Chris Rock's style. It did sound like the style of a professional stand-up comedian or late-night host. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #7 September 18, 2008 QuoteQuoteIs it just me or is that Chris Rock? I know what you're saying, but that meter isn't just Chris Rock's style. It did sound like the style of a professional stand-up comedian or late-night host. Yup, Jay Leno would have stopped to laugh at his own joke a couple of times but the cadence would be very similar. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #8 September 18, 2008 Quote I have heard Obama sound more 'preacher like' lately. Mainly when use shorter sentences and phrases. There is a reason preachers use that style; because it works. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #9 September 18, 2008 QuoteAlso interesting is Biden who does not emply these techniques and is prone to gaffes. Yeah. A lot. In all seriousness, I've got to believe Biden's got ADD. He's got all these thoughts racing around in his head, but the social filter is leaky, so some of them make their way to his mouth. I half expect him, in the middle of a speech, to glance at some babe and say "Hey, nice tits," and never even realize he's just said it aloud. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #10 September 20, 2008 OK, here's an example of what I'm referring to in the previous post (re: Biden): http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/ Quote September 19, 2008 Biden in hot water with some Ohioans Posted: 07:30 PM ET From CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney CNN) — Joe Biden's off-the-cuff remarks on the trail have at times taken the Obama campaign off-message, but the Delaware senator's latest riff just may have landed him in hot water with voters — and die hard football fans — in a key battleground state. Speaking to members of the University of Delaware football team Friday morning, the Democratic VP candidate said he thinks the Fightin Blue Hens (1-1 this season) could thrash a certain team from Ohio. "I was out in Ohio," he said while fiddling with a football in his hands. "I told the folks in Ohio that we'd kick Ohio State's ass!" (It remains unclear if Biden actually ever told Ohio voters this.) Biden, a proud University of Delaware alum, was clearly trying to rally his Division 1-AA team ahead of their match-up with Furman this weekend, but the comments couldn't have come at a worse time for faithful Buckeye fans who saw their team suffer a 35-3 trouncing at the hands of USC last weekend. The comments also come as polls show the race in Ohio could hardly be tighter: A CNN poll of polls in the Buckeye state shows Obama holding a slim 1 point lead there. Close enough, presumably, that enough angry OSU fans could just make the difference — at least that's what Republicans are hoping. Home team's giving the game away. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites