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To be fair, the John McCain of today is not, politically, the John McCain of 2000 or even 2004. The old John McCain would have struggled to get his party's nomination, but would have had a much easier time getting moderate swing votes in November. I would have loved to see the old John McCain on the ballot. I'm not sure Obama could even pose a challenge to the old John McCain.

Had McCain not taken his hard right turn to appease his party's most conservative, I would probably still be undecided w/r/t who will get my vote. As it is, it is a very easy choice.

What he said. McCain decided to fall in lockstep with a bunch of fucktards. That cost him my support (not that I suppose he cares).

Blues,
Dave

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To be fair, the John McCain of today is not, politically, the John McCain of 2000 or even 2004.

He is still the same man. Still has the same core values. Still is a thorn in Bush's side.

But, I have given you several examples where McCain has gone directly against Bush.

That alone is enough to dispatch the BS "McSame" lines.

Yes, McCain moved right to get his nomination...Just like Obama swung left and is now trying to swing back to the center. EVERY candidate does that.

He learned from his last run and didn't make the same mistake this time. If he had acted the same as he had last time, Romney would be the candidate.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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I took a look at what Obama said in that clip. Statements included:

"he is willing to send our troops into another 100 years of war in Iraq."

"we are bogged down in a war that now McCain suggests could go on for another 100 years."

I didn't see anything about how McCain wants 100 years of war. But he has said repeatedly that he does not support a withdrawal date, and will keep troops there until the job is finished - and that there could be troops there for 100 years. So those quotes look literally accurate to me i.e. he does not WANT war, but he will support it for as long as it takes.

(Note that McCain, of course, will be dead long before any 100 year occupation ends, so even if we take him at face value his statement cannot be taken to mean "I personally will keep troops there for 100 years.")

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>But, I have given you several examples where McCain has gone directly
>against Bush.

He voted with Bush 95% of the time in 2007 (per Congressional Quarterly's Voting Studies.) I agree that he has indeed gone against Bush 5% of the time. The question will be whether people want someone who differs from Bush 5% of the time.

>He is still the same man.

So he is the same as the man in the picture?

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and we should listen to a guy that can't handle his own finances? Biden has averaged $280,000 yr salery over the last 10 years and has a net worth of only $100,000 because of his debt. he has made and squanderd almost $3,000,000 in 10 years.(and remember being in congress they pay for travel, food and lodging for his job and that is over and above his salery) i don't want this guy to run my finances!

Agreed. And he's a generous man too. He's actually given $3000 to charity in that time. Wow. What a patriot! What a sensitive Democrat!

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"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. Joseph Goebbels

“The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over.” Jospeh Goebbels

Well, that explains the "McCain 100 years in Iraq" and "Palin says no abortions for anyone" ?

Who claimed she said that? She makes exception if the life of the mother is threatened.

She only wants to force rape victims to bear the child of the rapist.

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Congress passes bills, not the president.

Unless it's a Dem Congress and a Rep President - then it's the President's fault.

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So in 2005, when the GOP had control of the House, the Senate, and the White House, WHY didn't McCain get anything done about it?

So in 2006 when the Dems took over why didn't THEY do anything about it?

They did, in the House (Barney Frank's bill passed).

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remember "it's time to be a patriot and let Obama spend your money"

What a crock of shit. I don't want government handouts, or take my hard earned money and give it to the lazy / illegal welfare recipients. I have given enough money to the government. hell i've given 5 time what Biden has given to charity.

people want to balance the budget here is what you do.
bring 20% of the troops back to the US and put them on the border

send all the illegals back home so they don't use up the free health care, prisons, and welfare

put the currant welfare people into the jobs the illegal held (so they can get off welfare and pay taxes)

cut off all money given to any country that votes against us in the united nations(if our way of life isn't good enough for them then niether are the procedes generated from it)

finally cut 20% out of the fed gov budget across the board

with increased tax revenue from the welfare people working, $218 billion saved from gov cuts, couple hundred billion saved from illegal imagrants, and the billions sent to the ungratefull middle east every year, the national debt would be paid of in 6-8 years and leave enough money to develope alt energy souces and the unemployment rate would be significantly lower, and we wouldn't need to raise taxes for anyone and they could all afford their own insurance. hell we might even be able to fix sos security.

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The question was rhetorical, meaning you can't criticize much when your party has run teh debt thru the roof. Clinton almost leveled teh debt off, then your boy came and hammered it.

What makes you think ANY of them are 'my boy'? Hey, at least I can spell a three letter word.
R or D, does not matter. O or M, again, really does not matter. They will both fuck things up, it is just a matter of which one will do the least damage...

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[billvon 3,006]

>people want to balance the budget here is what you do.
>bring 20% of the troops back to the US and put them on the border

Oh, so you're a "cut and run liberal" who wants us to lose in Iraq and withdraw before the job is done? For shame, for shame.

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I didn't say cut and run. is said bring back only 20% of the troops and not just from Iraq but from all posts outside the US. i still feel we need to complete what we started and secede at what we are doing there.

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>I didn't say cut and run. is said bring back only 20% of the troops . . .

Cut and run! You want the successes of the surge destroyed! You won't be happy until US troops are so shorthanded that they are at greater risk.

(Welcome to the other side.)

>i still feel we need to complete what we started and secede at what we are doing there.

That really is perfect - but I suspect you didn't mean to say it.

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i still feel we need to complete what we started and secede at what we are doing there.

Awesome!

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

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sorry but i believe what we are doing in Iraq & afganistan is the right thing to do. It may not be the popular thaught but i believe it is the right one. I also believe in finishing what you start. I have three customers that served in Iraq and all 3 believe we are doing the right thing there. mistakes have been made but fixing those and moving forward is the correct action. To bad the press don't show the people the good we have done over there, but then again the press wants ratings and good things don't promote good ratings.

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I took a look at what Obama said in that clip. Statements included:

"he is willing to send our troops into another 100 years of war in Iraq."

"we are bogged down in a war that now McCain suggests could go on for another 100 years."

I didn't see anything about how McCain wants 100 years of war.

Dude, that statement without any video evidence is completely condratictory. "he is willing to send our troops into another 100 years of war in Iraq," but you don't see anything that says McCain wants 100 years of war?? Those are your own quotes, man.

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Those are your own quotes, man.

I don't get it either. Both of those quotes clearly contradict what McCain actually said.

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[billvon 3,006]

>sorry but i believe what we are doing in Iraq & afganistan is the right thing to do.

And that's fine. Other people believe that helping americans who are starving to death should take precedence over killing foreigners. And that's fine too.

You do not want to give up the Iraq war; they do not want to let people starve to death. That attitude ("I will not give up my favorite program") is the reason we will never decrease government spending.

>sorry but i believe what we are doing in Iraq & afganistan is the right thing to do.

Yep. It would really suck to dedicate a part of your life to a cause only to find out it was based on dishonesty, and has actually made us less safe. It would be like skydivers finding out that skydiving made general aviation considerably less safe. Most skydivers would probably do everything they could to rebut that idea.

[billvon 3,006]

>but you don't see anything that says McCain wants 100 years of war?? Those
>are your own quotes, man.

No, the ones I listed are from the video you posted. I was replying to your original claim that he was "misquoted as wanting a 100 year war." (Your words, not mine.) No one said he wanted a 100 year war. Obama said that he was willing to send the troops into another 100 years of war, which both McCain and right wingers here agree with,

Or are you going to admit that you would withdraw troops before "the job is done?"

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No, the ones I listed are from the video you posted. I was replying to your original claim that he was "misquoted as wanting a 100 year war." (Your words, not mine.) No one said he wanted a 100 year war. Obama said that he was willing to send the troops into another 100 years of war, which both McCain and right wingers here agree with,

Or are you going to admit that you would withdraw troops before "the job is done?"

McCain, nor any other person in the country (repub or dem) has said the support a 100 year war.

No one said he wanted a 100 year war. Obama said that he was willing to send the troops into another 100 years of war, which both McCain and right wingers here agree with,

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> No one said he wanted a 100 year war except Obama.

Where did he say it? I am still waiting for a link.

> McCain didn't say it. No conservative has ever said it.

Agreed.

>Here... listen to the first 45 seconds of this.

I did, and have already quoted what he said in the first 45 seconds. He did not say "McCain wants a 100 year war." That's something you made up.

>Obama claims that McCain said he wants to send our troops into
>another 100 years of war into Iraq. It's just fucking false.

You are correct. Obama didn't say that.

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No one said he wanted a 100 year war except Obama.

Where did he say it? I am still waiting for a link.

From the same video.... First 45 seconds...


"... that he is willing to send our toops into another 100 years of war in Iraq..."

"...we are bogged down in a war that John McCain says may go on for another 100 years..."

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> No one said he wanted a 100 year war except Obama.

Where did he say it? I am still waiting for a link.

> McCain didn't say it. No conservative has ever said it.

Agreed.

>Here... listen to the first 45 seconds of this.

I did, and have already quoted what he said in the first 45 seconds. He did not say "McCain wants a 100 year war." That's something you made up.

>Obama claims that McCain said he wants to send our troops into
>another 100 years of war into Iraq. It's just fucking false.

You are correct. Obama didn't say that.

Holy sh*t Bill, that right there is the fanciest dance I've ever seen. Sen. Obama used political slant, saying that his opponent wanted to keep troops in Iraq for another 100 years of war. Even MSNBC covered this more evenly than you are...

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Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
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What Americans are starving to death? Food stamps, school breakfast/lunches..... food pantries, etc.

Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts.

[marks2065 0]

no one is starving to death in this country unless they want to starve to death. to many free lunches given out by this country for anyone to die of starvation. hey maybe if we send illegal imagrants home we could give those jobs to the needy and wow no more unemployment or welfare.

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maybe if we send illegal imagrants home we could give those jobs to the needy and wow no more unemployment or welfare.

More likely is that many of the companies that hire undocumented workers would follow their cheap labor out of the country, rendering most of the Americans currently employed by those companies unemployed.

Capitalism and national borders (and the associated working restrictions), in their current form, are not very compatible.

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