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kallend 2,106
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I guess I am lost my friend, I really didn’t think we need to teach people that they don’t have to have sex.
I dont think that is what is being said here.
I agree sex drive is in our DNA. But, we also have been given a higher brain function than any other species on the planet.
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Teaching all aspects is NOT what Palin preaches.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
kallend 2,106
QuoteQuoteQuoteDid anyone see the interview last night ? she said she believed in teaching evolution, she is religious but not to force anyone to her beliefs, and she did not try to ban Harry potter (book wasn't wrote yet when she was mayor)
Wrong. She insists teachers of science include her religious views.
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and they should. how would you feel if they taught her views and wouldn't let anyone teach your views?
I'd feel fine if they taught religion in religion class. However, SCIENCE classes are not the place for anyone's religious views....
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
Mind finding a source for that? I can't.
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QuoteMind finding a source for that? I can't.
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=5711359&page=1
QuoteSpecifically, Palin has a record of opposing any school-based sexual education program other than those that adopt an abstinence-only approach. During her 2006 Alaska gubernatorial campaign, Palin responded to a question on sex education programs with the answer, "The explicit sex-ed programs will not find my support."
kallend 2,106
QuoteQuoteMind finding a source for that? I can't.
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=5711359&page=1QuoteSpecifically, Palin has a record of opposing any school-based sexual education program other than those that adopt an abstinence-only approach. During her 2006 Alaska gubernatorial campaign, Palin responded to a question on sex education programs with the answer, "The explicit sex-ed programs will not find my support."
Here's another extreme view - that rape victims should be forced to bear the child of the rapist:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEN-c0zRH1c&feature=related
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
QuoteQuoteMind finding a source for that? I can't.
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=5711359&page=1QuoteSpecifically, Palin has a record of opposing any school-based sexual education program other than those that adopt an abstinence-only approach. During her 2006 Alaska gubernatorial campaign, Palin responded to a question on sex education programs with the answer, "The explicit sex-ed programs will not find my support."
Yeah Bilvon showed me that earlier this week and with a quick google search I found explicit sex education is not the same as comprehensive sex education. The latter is what she is being criticised for opposing based on a question and answer that had nothing to do comprehensive sex education.
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kallend 2,106
QuoteQuoteQuoteMind finding a source for that? I can't.
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=5711359&page=1QuoteSpecifically, Palin has a record of opposing any school-based sexual education program other than those that adopt an abstinence-only approach. During her 2006 Alaska gubernatorial campaign, Palin responded to a question on sex education programs with the answer, "The explicit sex-ed programs will not find my support."
Yeah Bilvon showed me that earlier this week and with a quick google search I found explicit sex education is not the same as comprehensive sex education. The latter is what she is being criticised for opposing based on a question and answer that had nothing to do comprehensive sex education.
Explain how "comprehensive" is "abstinence only", which is all she supports.
Explain how sex ed can be comprehensive without being explicit.
You are playing silly semantic games.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
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QuoteYeah Bilvon showed me that earlier this week and with a quick google search I found explicit sex education is not the same as comprehensive sex education. The latter is what she is being criticised for opposing based on a question and answer that had nothing to do comprehensive sex education.
What is the difference between explicit and comprehensive sex education?
Have you seen anything stating that Palin supports "comprehensive" sex education?
hah check the first link I posted up there. 
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kallend 2,106
Quotehah check the first link I posted up there.
I did, and was not impressed. Her own words before she became VP candidate gave her away.
"Will you support funding for abstinence-until-marriage education instead of for explicit sex-education programs, school-based clinics, and the distribution of contraceptives in schools?" Palin: "Yes, the explicit sex-ed programs will not find my support." Eagle Forum, 2006
How do you like her views on (denying) rape victims' rights?
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
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Quotehah check the first link I posted up there.
I'm not going to read that whole article. (Though I do see the difference there in "explicit" and "comprehensive.") Can you quote where it says that Palin supports something other than abstinence-only sex education in schools?
The quote I originally posted was her answer to this question:
Quote3. Will you support funding for abstinence-until-marriage education instead of for explicit sex-education programs, school-based clinics, and the distribution of contraceptives in schools?
JB: We should not exclude abstinence-until-marriage education programs.
SP: Yes, the explicit sex-ed programs will not find my support.
From: http://74.125.95.104/search?q=cache:PqxhXA6cqtwJ:eagleforumalaska.blogspot.com/2006_07_30_archive.html+palin+eagle+forum+alaska&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=7&gl=us
Granted, it's a rather polarized question. So I'd be curious to know if she does support something other than abstinence-only education.
So you don't see based on the two links I posted that her opinion on sex education falls in line with the majority of American parents?
I do not like nor agree with her view on rape pregnancies. You like throwing that out there which cracks me up but I don't think she'll ever be able to make any progress on that view thanks, coincidently, to it being so extreme.
I do not like nor agree with her view on rape pregnancies. You like throwing that out there which cracks me up but I don't think she'll ever be able to make any progress on that view thanks, coincidently, to it being so extreme.
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"Palin only supports abstinence to be taught in sex-ed!"
This claim is usually followed by a super classy comment about her daughter and the use of contraception, but the premise is false. Palin hasn't said she doesn't want condoms discussed in sex-ed, calling their discussion "relatively benign."
"I'm pro-contraception, and I think kids who may not hear about it at home should hear about it in other avenues. So I am not anti-contraception. But, yeah, abstinence is another alternative that should be discussed with kids. I don't have a problem with that," Palin said. Hers is hardly an extreme point of view in America today.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/11/beck.palin/index.html
edited to add another source for the above quote:
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-sexed6-2008sep06,0,3119305.story
This claim is usually followed by a super classy comment about her daughter and the use of contraception, but the premise is false. Palin hasn't said she doesn't want condoms discussed in sex-ed, calling their discussion "relatively benign."
"I'm pro-contraception, and I think kids who may not hear about it at home should hear about it in other avenues. So I am not anti-contraception. But, yeah, abstinence is another alternative that should be discussed with kids. I don't have a problem with that," Palin said. Hers is hardly an extreme point of view in America today.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/11/beck.palin/index.html
edited to add another source for the above quote:
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-sexed6-2008sep06,0,3119305.story
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kallend 2,106
Quote"Palin only supports abstinence to be taught in sex-ed!"
This claim is usually followed by a super classy comment about her daughter and the use of contraception, but the premise is false. Palin hasn't said she doesn't want condoms discussed in sex-ed, calling their discussion "relatively benign."
"I'm pro-contraception, and I think kids who may not hear about it at home should hear about it in other avenues. So I am not anti-contraception. But, yeah, abstinence is another alternative that should be discussed with kids. I don't have a problem with that," Palin said. Hers is hardly an extreme point of view in America today.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/11/beck.palin/index.html
WHEN did she flip-flop on that?
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
kallend 2,106
I'm glad you think it funny that a candidate for VP thinks rape victims should be forced to bear the rapists' children and supports a Constitutional amendment to make her view the law of the land. Yep. That's very funnyQuoteSo you don't see based on the two links I posted that her opinion on sex education falls in line with the majority of American parents?
I do not like nor agree with her view on rape pregnancies. You like throwing that out there which cracks me up
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but I don't think she'll ever be able to make any progress on that view thanks, coincidently, to it being so extreme.
SO any wacky or extreme view from a candidate is OK as long as you don't think it will progress?
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
Did she flip flop or did she answer a loaded question appropriately and then later when given an opportunity explain her position more clearly?
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no I think it's funny that YOU keep throwing it out there. And yes...I do think it's ok....it's fucking politics for fucks sake....gotta take the good with the bad.
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I went to two different high schools. One taught abstinence only, the other taught comprehensive sex-ed. I got to see both kinds of programs because one school did health (they called it "Family Life" and taught it in religion class) freshman year, and the other school had a full year of health and biology classes sophomore year and covered sex-ed for a whole quarter.
The abstinence only program did not cover birth control of any kind or condoms, because you were being taught not to have sex, so you wouldn't be needing that information. The program covered biology, puberty, and the science behind how babies are made. It did not cover how to prevent making babies other than "just say no." There was no homework of any kind beyond a vocabulary workbook that most of us finished in the last ten minutes of class waiting for the bell. Students were taught that the only appropriate time for sex was after marriage.
The comprehensive sex-ed program covered everything above (biology, puberty, babies, etc), plus how condoms work (although there was no condom/banana demonstration), how birth control pills work, how IUDs work, natural family planning, and other birth control methods, and presented no moral judgment on any of them, other than saying that abstinence and zero fluid exchange is the only 100% way to prevent pregnancy and STDs. They just gave us the facts about the effectiveness of each method, how each method works, which methods prevent conception, which methods prevent implantation. We were encouraged to discuss what was talked about in class with our parents, and in fact, it was part of our homework. We had discussion questions that our parents had to sign off on to indicate we had talked to them (these were the morality questions, along with whatever else the school thought we should be talking with our parents about). I had some wonderful chats with Mom due to these.
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