TheBachelor 5 #1 September 19, 2008 There are battered women? I've been eating 'em plain all of these years... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alw 0 #2 September 19, 2008 I like the license plate. --------------------------------------------- Every day is a bonus - every night is an adventure. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeForsythe 0 #3 September 20, 2008 So trueI like how Obama wants to raise my taxes just because of what I make. I don't use any of the government services anymore that the average person even though I pay more in taxes, so why should I pay more? Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #4 September 20, 2008 Quote So trueI like how Obama wants to raise my taxes just because of what I make. I don't use any of the government services anymore that the average person even though I pay more in taxes, so why should I pay more? Congratulations on making so much. However, I believe paying as we go, as opposed to borrowing from China to cover our debts, is the real reason for having taxes.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #5 September 20, 2008 Quote Congratulations on making so much. However, I believe paying as we go, as opposed to borrowing from China to cover our debts, is the real reason for having taxes. Couldn't agree more. The problem is that you want the successful to pay the bulk. Why not have everyone pay an equal percentage? Wouldn't that be the most fair? Obviously that wouldn't work because all of the gimme-gimme projects wouldn't be properly funded. Answer. Stop the gimme-gimme projects. Tax everyone equally. Hence, the more successful you are, the more you make. As opposed to your plan of the more successful you are, the more you cough up for everyone else. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #6 September 20, 2008 Quote So trueI like how Obama wants to raise my taxes just because of what I make. I don't use any of the government services anymore that the average person even though I pay more in taxes, so why should I pay more? Right, and then put you in a place of need and you squeel like a schoolgirl; that's the purpose of welfare. My dad is a great example of that, diehard Repugnican all his life, then get old and whine for social svs..... most neo-cons do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #7 September 20, 2008 Quote Quote So trueI like how Obama wants to raise my taxes just because of what I make. I don't use any of the government services anymore that the average person even though I pay more in taxes, so why should I pay more? Congratulations on making so much. However, I believe paying as we go, as opposed to borrowing from China to cover our debts, is the real reason for having taxes. Not to mention matching the world in defense spending and then deciding that's not enough, so spending another 150B/yr in Iraq. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #8 September 20, 2008 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Couldn't agree more. The problem is that you want the successful to pay the bulk. I know, let's make the poor pay the bulk; they have all that money laying around...... think b4 u write Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #9 September 20, 2008 Quote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Couldn't agree more. The problem is that you want the successful to pay the bulk. I know, let's make the poor pay the bulk; they have all that money laying around...... think b4 u write Read before you respond. Never, anywhere, did I say make anyone pay the bulk. I said all should pay equally. I know that concept is beyond comprehension, but try just for a second. An equal percentage would still constitute the well-off paying more. It's still more fair. I await a valid argument for the "rich" paying a higher percentage. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #10 September 20, 2008 QuoteQuote Congratulations on making so much. However, I believe paying as we go, as opposed to borrowing from China to cover our debts, is the real reason for having taxes. Couldn't agree more. The problem is that you want the successful to pay the bulk. Why not have everyone pay an equal percentage? Wouldn't that be the most fair? Obviously that wouldn't work because all of the gimme-gimme projects wouldn't be properly funded. Answer. Stop the gimme-gimme projects. Tax everyone equally. Hence, the more successful you are, the more you make. As opposed to your plan of the more successful you are, the more you cough up for everyone else. Google "Willy Sutton Theory"... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #11 September 20, 2008 Quote Google "Willy Sutton Theory" The bank robber? How appropriate. He's famous for saying "that's where the money is." Seriously? -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TankBuster 0 #12 September 20, 2008 Quote I like how Obama wants to raise my taxes just because of what I make. I don't use any of the government services anymore that the average person even though I pay more in taxes, so why should I pay more? Take a gander at this and add it to your scary videos. Then you begin to understand "why." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpSDBu35K-8The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #13 September 20, 2008 Quote Quote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Couldn't agree more. The problem is that you want the successful to pay the bulk. I know, let's make the poor pay the bulk; they have all that money laying around...... think b4 u write Read before you respond. Never, anywhere, did I say make anyone pay the bulk. I said all should pay equally. I know that concept is beyond comprehension, but try just for a second. An equal percentage would still constitute the well-off paying more. It's still more fair. I await a valid argument for the "rich" paying a higher percentage. >>>>>>>>>>Read before you respond. Never, anywhere, did I say make anyone pay the bulk. You said I want the successful to pay the bulk: "The problem is that you want the successful to pay the bulk." Short memory? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I said all should pay equally. I know that concept is beyond comprehension, but try just for a second. How can all pay equally when the poor have little to nothing? Can you comprehend that little math equation? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.An equal percentage would still constitute the well-off paying more. It's still more fair. I await a valid argument for the "rich" paying a higher percentage. Do they? According to Warren Buffet his secretary pays a higher pecentage, and he claims he never uses tax accountants to shield his income. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #14 September 20, 2008 Quote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Couldn't agree more. The problem is that you want the successful to pay the bulk. I know, let's make the poor pay the bulk; they have all that money laying around...... think b4 u write Quick, without looking it up, how much of the tax revenue do the bottom 50% of wage earners provide?So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #15 September 20, 2008 Quote You said I want the successful to pay the bulk: "The problem is that you want the successful to pay the bulk." Short memory? Try to put together a reasonable argument. This doesn't even make sense. Quote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I said all should pay equally. I know that concept is beyond comprehension, but try just for a second. How can all pay equally when the poor have little to nothing? Can you comprehend that little math equation? PERCENTAGE. Dude, please read the entire response before planning a cheap shot. Reference next statment. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.An equal percentage would still constitute the well-off paying more. It's still more fair. I await a valid argument for the "rich" paying a higher percentage. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,008 #16 September 20, 2008 >I said all should pay equally. No, you didn't. You want a flat percentage. That's different than everyone paying equally. If everyone paid equally, everyone would owe about $45,000 a year to the government. That's as fair as it gets. It would also be mind-numbingly stupid to try that taxation scheme. So next we go to a scheme where the rich pay more. That works because the rich can AFFORD to pay more. (Even you agree with this once you think about it.) The remaining quibbles are about the details of the curve. I'd be all for a flat percentage tax with a poverty offset - provided it covered our expenses. It's still progressive, of course. > I await a valid argument for the "rich" paying a higher percentage. The arguments are: 1) They can afford to pay more without affecting their quality of life. 2) In terms of economic stimulus, giving tax breaks to someone at the lower end of the income scale helps more than giving tax breaks to someone at the higher end of the income scale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TankBuster 0 #17 September 20, 2008 The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degree, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralize all instruments of production in the hands of the state, i.e., of the proletariat organized as the ruling class; and to increase the total productive forces as rapidly as possible. Of course, in the beginning, this cannot be effected except by means of despotic inroads on the rights of property, and on the conditions of bourgeois production; by means of measures, therefore, which appear economically insufficient and untenable, but which, in the course of the movement, outstrip themselves, necessitate further inroads upon the old social order, and are unavoidable as a means of entirely revolutionizing the mode of production. These measures will, of course, be different in different countries. Nevertheless, in most advanced countries, the following will be pretty generally applicable. 1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes. 2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax. 3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance. 4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels. 5. Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly. 6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state. 7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan. 8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture. 9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country. 10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc. Karl Marx and Frederick Engels The Communist ManifestoThe forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #18 September 20, 2008 Quote Quote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Couldn't agree more. The problem is that you want the successful to pay the bulk. I know, let's make the poor pay the bulk; they have all that money laying around...... think b4 u write Quick, without looking it up, how much of the tax revenue do the bottom 50% of wage earners provide? What % of the nation's wealth do the top 50% of the population own?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #19 September 20, 2008 Quote No, you didn't. You want a flat percentage. That's different than everyone paying equally. ok. sorry. i meant fairly. Quote So next we go to a scheme where the rich pay more. That works because the rich can AFFORD to pay more. (Even you agree with this once you think about it.) The remaining quibbles are about the details of the curve. I'd be all for a flat percentage tax with a poverty offset - provided it covered our expenses. It's still progressive, of course. That's not what Obama claims he's going to do. Tax cuts for 95% and hikes for the wealthy. That's not an equal percentage with poverty offset. What is your cut off for the poverty line? Quote> I await a valid argument for the "rich" paying a higher percentage. The arguments are: 1) They can afford to pay more without affecting their quality of life. And punishes them for being successful. They deserve to have whatever quality of life they want without funding the country's budget. It also goes against what you said about a flat percentage with a poverty offset. Quote2) In terms of economic stimulus, giving tax breaks to someone at the lower end of the income scale helps more than giving tax breaks to someone at the higher end of the income scale. In terms of economic stimulus, it's better to give tax breaks to those with money because they spend it. They expand businessses and create jobs. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #20 September 20, 2008 I'm a Republican and I'm OK, I sleep at night and I work all day I cut down trees, I skip and jump I tap on men's room floors. I flirt with boys in chatrooms, While preaching Christian mores. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycop 0 #21 September 20, 2008 That's funny! That pic was taken about a half-mile from my house. I thought the truck looked familiar. "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #22 September 20, 2008 Quote were is the one that says " I AM A DEMOCRAT AND SUCK OFF OF WELFARE:? with a plate that says LAZY Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
